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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:16 AM
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Poppies
My mother's dad joined the Army because all of his friends did. It was less out of a sense of duty than a wish to fall in with the crowd. It's not that he wasn't a patriot, but joining wasn't his idea, just one to which he subscribed.

He was sent to Europe and fought in World War I. My mother doesn't know too many details; the war was long over by the time she was born, and the stories she passes on to me were mostly passed on to her in the same way, remotely and with an abundance of vagueness.

My grandfather's experience in the war came to an abrupt end. Well, it seems abrupt now, looking back on it. At the time it was probably a tortuous eternity. He was pierced through the leg with (depending on who tells the story -- different family members relate different details) a bullet or a bayonet. When I hear the story, I feel conflict in that detail. I can't believe that either item entering and exiting my knee would be preferable to the other, but the trauma of being run through at close range with a bayonet is far more horrifying to me than that from being punctured by a bullet. (The psychological implications of the former conjure nightmares of close combat while the latter strikes me as at least emotionally manageable.)

The Army surgeon insisted on an immediate amputation, but my grandfather refused. He was going home with his leg, goddamn it. The wound was apparently sufficient for the surgeon to presume that, without an amputation, my grandfather would die. He was placed against a wall with the other soldiers who were also expected to die or who had already expired. Essentially, the man who had not yet become my mother's father was, by the wartime standard of the day, a goner.

Needless to say, he did indeed survive. The joke passed around to my mother by all her relatives (and there were many -- the man left for dead produced, with his wife, eleven daughters and two sons) was that the Army had run short of blood for transfusions and relied on mule blood, hence her stubbornness.

My grandfather, whom I met only as a toddler and whom I remember only because there is a photo of me on his knee -- perhaps even the one wounded in Europe -- never sought further medical attention for his injury. He hobbled the rest of his life, trying to accommodate the handicap with custom shoes and determination. Mom can remember seeing the wounds when she was still very young. He'd show the kids the holes on either side of his knee, one for the entry, one for the exit. Beyond that, he didn't say much of it.

Mom told me this story again today because I called her after running some errands around town. Outside a store in the suburbs I was approached by two men handing out cloth poppies for Veterans Day. I greeted the man closest to me but told him immediately I had nothing in my pockets to contribute to his collection pot.

"That's all right," he said. "We don't need your money. Just take a poppy now and think of us on Tuesday."

I took the flower and wound the wire stem through a buttonhole. When I got home, I called her just to talk and because I knew her father served in the Army, just as my father/her husband served in the Air Force.

"You know, during World War II, my mom would go out and sell poppies by the side of the highway," she said, recalling her childhood in southern California. "One day, she collapsed from heat stroke because she refused to take a break."

Had I heard that story out of context, I'd have wondered what my grandmother's obsession was. But knowing the history of the man she married, it makes all the sense in the world.

"I never knew what the poppies were all about," Mom told me. "What's the significance?"

No one ever taught me this fact, and it never even occurred to me until she asked the question, but I immediately replied, "They were mentioned in the poem 'In Flanders Fields,' which was written to commemorate the Belgian countryside that holds so many dead soldiers from World War I." I recited the few lines I know by memory:

In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

The lines came to me so easily because they are part of a song I've long adored, but I don't know how they came back at that moment to me or how I associated them so quickly with her question about poppies. But through the stories about her father and his flirtation with death -- the very real possibility that he may have easily been among those for whom the poppies are given today, and the fact that he was not killed being quite directly responsible for the existence of my mother, me, and our conversation today -- I don't doubt that the connections I made were not my own, but rather were merely the result of ninety years of fate, guts, determination, and common history.

Bless you, veterans.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:32 AM
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1. Today was Active Service and Veterans day at Knotts Berry Farm.
Vets and active service plus guest get in free. Usually the majority of people in the park are veterans with their families, but almost 1/3 attending today were active service. I could not help but think of how much these young people have gone through. One guy was being guided by a buddy, both with military hair cuts. He had dark glassed and a white cane, and a smile as his buddy guided him between rides. These mostly young people were the best reason to remove *shrub, and his fellow travelers from the office of the POTUS.
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:41 AM
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2. Indeed.
Those who truly care about our current service members and veterans would do well to ensure they're being guided by someone who values their service enough only to deploy them when only absolutely necessary.

The orders that result in producing a generation of young men and women who need canes and guides the rest of their lives should come from a commander who knows that sacrifice is worth it.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 05:01 AM
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3. In Britain, tomorrow is Remberance Sunday.
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 05:02 AM by Kutjara
It's the closest sunday to 11/11, Armistice Day, when WWI ended. There are apparently only two British soldiers alive today who fought in the Great War to End All Wars.

From mid-October in Britain, most stores sell small paper poppies, displayed in boxes near the cash registers. You donate a pound or so to the Vetrans's charity and take one of the poppies to wear in your lapel. You'll see many people wearing them throughout the country, although inevitably the old wear them more than the young.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 10:01 AM
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6. You're wrong. Rememberence day is on the 11th,no matter when it falls.
Tuesday is a day off from work in Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth. The rememberence ceremonies will be shown all day on national tv. This is how it should be.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 03:31 PM
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13. I don't know what happens in Canada, but in the UK...
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 03:44 PM by Kutjara
Remembrance Sunday is observed as I described. Here's a Wiki article discussing it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Sunday

While there are indeed ceremonies on the 11th (which is more formally known as Armistice Day), they tend to be small scale (no doubt so they won't disrupt the working day). The large ceremony at the Cenotaph in London is held on Remembrance Sunday.
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 09:08 AM
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4. Thank you so much for this! I wish it could go on the front page.
Remembrance Day was always a big deal in our home. My sister and I were in a band that played the parade, and marched to the cenotaph. Hot chili at the legion with the vets and then oh, the stories from the 'old guys'. I never wanted that day to end. It was always special. I don't see poppy sales here in MI like I did in Ontario though :(

Thanks vets!

aA
kesha
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 09:12 AM
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5. Bless you all and thank you for your service.
:patriot:
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 10:02 AM
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7. ...
I'd always wondered about the significance of the flower.

You had an amazing day yesterday. :hug:

My father was in the Army - a helicopter pilot with the 82nd Airborne Division. When James Meredith first attended Ole Miss, my father and many others from Ft Bragg sat at the little Oxford, MS airport for two weeks. Fortunately, they were never needed. Ironically, I ended up graduating from Ole Miss 30 years later.

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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 01:55 PM
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10. Yeah, it was a good day.
All the anxiety about what my parents might say about the election and I ended up at the end of the day with this story instead.

:hug:
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 02:27 PM
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11. That's terrific
:hug:

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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 10:06 AM
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8. It is a big deal here in Canada.
If you can watch any Canadian TV,everyone is wearing a poppy,the news & sports broadcasters,politicians,etc. Even the coaching staffs on the NHL games will be wearing poppies,even the American teams.
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marzipanni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 11:45 AM
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9. Your post brought a tear to my eye
and I wanted to find out more about "In Flanders Fields". It was written by Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD, of the Canadian Army, in the spring of 1915. He was a surgeon, who was on the faculty at McGill before going to treat wounded soldiers in Belgium.

<snip>
"I wish I could embody on paper some of the varied sensations of that seventeen days... Seventeen days of Hades! At the end of the first day if anyone had told us we had to spend seventeen days there, we would have folded our hands and said it could not have been done."

One death particularly affected McCrae. A young friend and former student, Lieut. Alexis Helmer of Ottawa, had been killed by a shell burst on 2 May 1915. Lieutenant Helmer was buried later that day in the little cemetery outside McCrae's dressing station, and McCrae had performed the funeral ceremony in the absence of the chaplain.

The next day, sitting on the back of an ambulance parked near the dressing station beside the Canal de l'Yser, just a few hundred yards north of Ypres, McCrae vented his anguish by composing a poem. The major was no stranger to writing, having authored several medical texts besides dabbling in poetry.

In the nearby cemetery, McCrae could see the wild poppies that sprang up in the ditches in that part of Europe, and he spent twenty minutes of precious rest time scribbling fifteen lines of verse in a notebook.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Later he tossed it aside, but a fellow officer retrieved it and sent it to newspapers in England. Punch published it on December 8, 1915.

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/flanders.htm

On January 28, 1918, while still commanding No 3 Canadian General Hospital at Boulogne, McCrae died of pneumonia.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 02:32 PM
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12. Part of that poem is on the Canadian $10 bill.
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 02:32 PM by HEyHEY
We actually wear poppies up here around "remembrance day." So, if you come to Canada in early november you'll see everyone wearing them.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 03:36 PM
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14. Thank you for this post
Poppies are also the source of opium and morphine, which were common painkillers.

I don't know that it's related, but I also don't know that it's unrelated.
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:21 PM
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15. Wow, I hadn't made that connection.
But you're right, the duality of the poppy imagery. Fantastic observation.
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MrsMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 04:28 PM
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16. perhaps I'm dating myself, but does anyone remember
creating poster for this day at school?

I have a vivid memory of being told that there were three words that were considered verboten: buy, buddy, and poppy. The worst possible slogan for a poster was "Buy a poppy for your buddy."
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