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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:01 PM
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if Turkey meat is called turkey, and chicken meat is called chicken, why is pig meat called ham?
Do people not want to order a pig club on rye? What do people have against the name pig?
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:02 PM
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1. As long as it's delicious
And it is.

MMMMmmmm. Pig.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:02 PM
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2. Waaay deep dude!
Why do you have one bra and a pair of panties?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:03 PM
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5. Yeah, really...
if anything deserves to be a pair, it's the bra.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:06 PM
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11. and if a vegetarian eats vegatables, what does a humanitarian eat?
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:02 PM
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3. I was at a restaurant the other day where the special was a "pig sandwich"
but in general, it's different cuts. Ham are from the hamhocks, then you have bacon, back bacon, pork loin, pork chops, etc.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:02 PM
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Or bacon, sausage, or even 'tofu substitute'?
"Pig" sounds too much like "cop". Who wants to eat a cop? Apart from the cop's spouse, but whatever...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:02 PM
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4. And why is steer meat called beef?
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:04 PM
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8. yeah dammit, I want pig on my salad before I eat a cow in a bun
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:04 PM
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6. because there's so many different types of pig meat
pork chops
bacon
ham
rinds
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:04 PM
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7. Ham is a specific part and is salt cured.
Otherwise it is called pork the way cow or bull is called beef. It is a quirk of the English language that has to do with having two languages in use at the same time in fuedal England: Anglo-Saxon and Norman French.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:05 PM
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9. why is it called a hamburger when there is no ham in it?
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:09 PM
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22. Maybe it was invented in Hamburg?
I don't know it's so, just a thought.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:05 PM
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10. Pig is called pork, which is a title English Lords gave it so it could be fit for consumption
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 01:40 PM by sasquatch
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:06 PM
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12. Because there are so many different ways to eat pig meat?
Bacon, pork loin, sausage, ham etc. It's the same with beef. They don't call it cow, but a hamburger or a steak or something.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:07 PM
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13. because dead chickens and turkeys look like live chickens and turkeys
whereas muscle tissue from dead pigs and cows looks more like random lumps of gore and offal. Since "gore" and "offal" aren't appealing names, they call them by more marketable terms.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:09 PM
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15. lol, well said
i think tonight I'm going to have wrapped intestines with mustard and ketchup :9
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:09 PM
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14. From Spanish - jamon
pronounced "hamon". I'm not citing anything, but it makes sense.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:13 PM
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16. hamon! hamon! Have it whole wheat, or rye!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:16 PM
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17. Nah, it's supposedly an Old English word.
Maybe they have some common linguistic heritage, though.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:22 PM
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18. dictionary.com lists it as an old english world
Old English: hamm
Middle English: hamme
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peruban Donating Member (888 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:22 PM
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19. There's a similar disparity in Spanish.
The olive tree is called "olivo" while olives are called "aceituna". :wtf:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:51 PM
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20. With some foods, words for live/dead meats were separated after the Norman Conquest
And so cow comes from Anglo-Saxon, but beef (the dead, edible form) comes from French (the british peasants knew the cow mainly as an animal that they were not allowed to eat; the French who invaded England knew the cow mostly in its edible form, boeuf).

Deer comes from Olde English, but venison (the dead, edible form) comes from the Norman.

Olde English pig, but Norman pork.

And many other examples.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:56 PM
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21. To tell it apart
from bacon, pork shoulder and pork chops :)
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:00 PM
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23. Ham is the cut. Pork is the meat.
And we don't call cattle "beefs."
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:03 PM
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24. Pig meat isn't called ham. Only a special pork product is called ham
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:05 PM
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25. Pigs are called pork - only their legs are called hams
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