Hey, Lounge... Post your most controversial beliefs

[BurtWorm]

Me:

There was no historic Jesus of Nazareth.

Shakespeare was Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford.

[jpgray]

1. You got me on the second one. You're wrong! How does it feel to be so goddam WRONG?

:P

[BurtWorm]

It feels fanTAStic!

:bounce:

[jpgray]

3. You and Derek Jacobi can lick my balls

On second thought, please don't.

[BurtWorm]

4. I have a tongue like a cat.

Just warning you.

[jpgray]

14. I hope you fry. Like Francis Bacon. Leaving a pool of unspeakable foppish grease behind you

[BurtWorm]

15. Mmm.... Fried Francis...

:P

[jobycom]

9. He got me on the first.

As a former historian, I get frustrated at such ignorance! :rofl:

[BurtWorm]

13. Don't you mean frustrated *over* such ignorance?

:bounce:

[jobycom]

18. You say over, I say

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT!!111!

[Deep13]

43. "former"

[jobycom]

55. Well...

when I was a current historian I got frustrated OVER it, too. :)

[BarenakedLady]

2. There is no god

[LynzM]

38. That, and....

Monogamy is an unnatural state of affairs for human beings. :)

[BarenakedLady]

40. Are you my twin?

I was going to say that too, but couldn't form the words correctly this morning.

:pals:

[Oeditpus Rex]

70. HOPE!

:bounce:

[Schema Thing]

121. CHANGE!

said the god

:P~

[SarahB]

85. ditto

:)

[tismyself]

76. What?!

Do you mean "there is no god" as a stand alone blanket statement, or do you mean it as a reaction to this entire thread?!

Your post made me laugh!

[astral]

126. Is Too!

[rcrush]

5. Aliens will land in Alabama

[jobycom]

11. How could anyone tell?

[Shell Beau]

17. Oooh!

:spank:

[old mark]

42. That happened in about 1956.

Nobody noticed.


mark

[QueenOfCalifornia]

61. I thought

it was proven that most Alabamanites are aliens.

[FloridaJudy]

6. Neal Stephenson and Thomas Pynchon are the same person.

You've never seen them together, have you? See: that proves it.

[Shell Beau]

7. I would rather do this in GD. I will get too flamed here in the lounge.

:P

[BurtWorm]

10. Go ahead. I'll back you up.

:hide:

[NightWatcher]

8. we faked the moon landing

it took us 9 years back in the 60's but will take us 20 years now to replicate it???


:hide:

[astral]

127. Yep!

[rcrush]

12. Tupac and Biggie were killed by Mormons.

[Richardo]

26. Tupac and Biggie *were* Mormons

[old mark]

44. Tupac and Biggie are still alive, and singing with Elvis

in the flying saucer.

mark: tinfoilhat:

[jobycom]

16. I would say that Oswald killed Kennedy, acting alone, although

to me that's not a belief, simply a scientific and forensic conclusion based on the evidence. Unfortunately, when it comes to JFK, liberals go all Freeper, so many think it's just a question of opinion, rather than science.

[unpossibles]

39. well, technically...

Does the evidence show that he was acting alone, as in not under anyone's orders?

Curious minds want to know.

[jobycom]

54. Ahh.

You have a point. The scientific evidence proves he was the only gunman, but it does not prove that he was not part of a larger conspiracy. I guess technically one could argue that he could even have been framed, with another gunman using his gun from the SBD window, though that strains credulity.

I once worked for a man who was in the motorcade when JFK was shot. He was often asked about it, and rarely would answer, because even thirty years later he would get choked up about it. He and JFK were close, apparently. Anytime he answered questions, he said that Oswald was the lone gunman, the Warren Commission was flawed, and he had no comment on whether he thought anyone had put Oswald up to it. This guy had comments on everything, so that last always made me wonder, although I think it was just so close to him that he didn't like to speculate on it.

[unpossibles]

65. Understandable

It's kind of amazing some of the gymnastics behind the various theories, although some are completely understandable too.

I personally think Oswald was likely the only gunman, but do not rule out the idea of others. I also think he was something of a hired patsy, however, mainly because it seemed so many people had plenty of motive and opportunity for it. I also think that Oswald's subsequent murder was far too convenient, but again - you never know. What bothers me is that at the time, orchestrating coups against popular leftist leaders all over the world was a fairly common and acceptable practice by the CIA and others. I'm not saying they did this domestically per se, but... well, I am not convinced they did not either with the Kennedys and King and perhaps others.

[jobycom]

75. Could be.

Long ago I believed in a grassy knoll shot, until I moved to Dallas and stood on the grassy knoll, and saw the impossibility of it. But that doesn't mean there weren't other gunmen prepared in case Oswald missed.

I don't believe that, from the life story of Oswald, and the personality I've seen and heard in his writings and recordings, such as they are, and in his confirmed actions. He seems like a self-important loner with delusions of grandeur, which is exactly the type to shoot a president. And other actions, like his attempt on the general several months earlier, his notes to his wife over that, his killing of Tippet, and his attempting to shoot the arresting officer when he was captured, are hard to explain if he weren't guilty, or if he was a patsy.

And living in Texas it's not really hard for me to imagine Ruby going vigilante on him.

But I can see reasons for suspicion. I have a few doubts and questions. As solid as the evidence of Oswald as a lone wacko is, I can see ways to view him as part of a plot, or even as a patsy who suddenly realized just what he had stepped into.

The only shots to hit Kennedy or Connally were fired from the sniper's window, though. Forensics is solid on that, even if some still imagine the bullet had to zig-zag or stayed pristine or whatever.

[Schema Thing]

123. I agree

but your all freeper on that Jesus thing ;)


j/k (though I do have my doubts as to his existence, at least insofar as he was one guy who even loosely formed the bible narrative)

[Midlodemocrat]

19. It actually WAS Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with the candlestick.

[Dr. Strange]

35. Take that crap to the 9/11 Forum sister.

[Midlodemocrat]

41. Don't tutch the but.

[Aristus]

20. Sorry, BurtWorm; you're wrong on both.

As a Christian, I take it on faith that Jesus existed. But as a Stratfordian, I can tell you without hesitation that Shakespeare was not the Earl of Oxford. Edward De Vere died in 1604, just as Shakespeare was hitting his stride, and on his way to writing some of his best known plays: Hamlet, King Lear, Othello, etc. As a university-educated man, De Vere's writing would have had the logical, deliberate voice of a well-trained wordsmith. Shakespeare's voice was imaginative and totally unbound by traditional university limitations and constraints. Shakespeare was Shakespeare. Deal with it. Just enjoy those magnificent plays. :-)

Now for my own controversial religious belief; one that has caused open-mouthed outrage, and screaming, spit-spraying rants by evangelicals:

In the Book of Job, Job castigates God for allowing him to suffer needlessly. God replies by speaking to Job out of the belly of a storm, and rages at him for calling him to account. "Who are you to question what I do?" God asks. "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the world?"

Here's the controversial part:

I believe that God was angry, not because Job called Him to account, but because Job was RIGHT. What God did in allowing Satan to cause Job to suffer was wrong. It was unjust. We know that God is just and loving now, because we know of a time when He wasn't: the incident with Job. Job's tragedies were not the result of random chance, or the vagaries of fate. They were the result of Satan acting under explicit instructions from God. God caused untold suffering and misery just to win a bet. Despite the fury of scandalized fundies, this story actually strengthens my faith. God never came right out and admitted He was wrong (and right, at the same time; Job never did behave unrighteously), but He restored to Job everything He had allowed Satan to take away. An act of atonement from God Himself. That's extraordinary...

[BurtWorm]

21. Says you.

:P

[MrCoffee]

22. I believe that children might not be the future

[Lydia Leftcoast]

23. Fewer people should go to college

and we should provide better high school and vocational training for the rest.

If our high schools were up to the academic standards of the rest of the world, Jay Leno would have to drop his "jaywalking" segment.

I'd have a good solid curriculum, consisting not only of English (both writing and literature), math, and science, but also lots of history, geography, art, music, and foreign languages and cultures for everyone up to tenth grade. If done right, it would be the equivalent of graduating from a top-notch high school.

At that point, the academically oriented would go on to further college prep courses, with either a math/science emphasis or a humanities/social science emphasis.

The rest would go into combination academic/apprenticeship programs, everything from auto mechanics to zookeeping. Many business functions that currently require a college degree could actually be learned in these programs. Why does one need a four-year degree in Human Resources Management or Corporate Health and Fitness, to name two real-life college majors I know of?

Those who wanted to go to college later in life could do so.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

90. You know what's amazing?

I'm 24 and over the past four years I've been in two different social groups: the college crowd and the blue collar, working class crowd. And I say this in all seriousness that most blue collar workers have the same intellectual as most college students. In college, many of the people I went with were just there to get a job and didn't have one bit of intellectual curiosity. the other hand, I've had some of my deepest, most intelligent conversations with people who had no higher education.

I think some of these students who have no intellectual curiosity should be weeded out of college.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

92. Yes, that's basically what I was getting at

College would be strictly on academic merit, with some allowance for disadvantaged groups. But no one without an intellectual interest would get in. No to middle-class brats who went around collecting extra-curricular activities and AP classes (so they could take the tests and immediately forget the material) but really cared only about pop culture and their social lives, yes to students from poor families who loved to read.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

98. Yes,

that's how I would like to see admissions also. I went to one of those high schools where half of the top students were just, as you said, collecting AP classes and activities and memorizing enough info to get good grades on the tests. It was a status thing, rather than a show of true merit.

[np33]

136. I couldn't agree with you more!

I'm 27 and when I was in college its astounding how many students knew next to nothing about the world around them and didn't want to know. I remember during the 2000 election I would try engage friends into discussions about the election and I would just receive these blank stares.

[lost-in-nj]

24. this could get good

:popcorn: :beer:


oh and I believe there is a reason for everything
and everything has a reason



lost

[Zuni]

25. I believe that scrotums were invented by a mad doctor

in about the year 1657.

I cannot find one reference in medical texts to scrota before then. Before then, testicles just floated randomly throughout the body, producing sperms.

[Richardo]

27. So why all the pain receptors?

[Zuni]

30. this theory does not take "facts" into account

:tinfoilhat:

[slutticus]

66. Scroti?

The correct form is scroti.

[Zuni]

122. the more you know

:wink:

[AlCzervik]

28. when making a grilled cheese the bread should be buttered and not the pan.

you butter the pan instead and you're just doing it wrong and that's that.

[Richardo]

29. She's a witch!!!!

:scared:

[Zuni]

31. burn her!

[AlCzervik]

32. i am going to kick you right in the pain receptors.

yes i am.


:P

[Richardo]

36. ..

:rofl:

[Richardo]

34. Butter the pan, not her!!!

[AlCzervik]

45. maybe olive oil instead, i know i'll end up absorbing that butter directly into my blood stream

and my cholesterol will go out.

[BurtWorm]

33. I think you should put the cheese on the outside.

Put the butter between two slices of cheese, and bread the grill. There's no other way to make it.

:patriot:

[AlCzervik]

47. listen Burtworm, i don't what type of kitchen you're running over there at that

nut hatchery you call home but i want no part of it. None!


:spank:

[BurtWorm]

53. It's a Stalinist kitchen.

How do you like them nuts?

:bounce:

[AlCzervik]

57. in Burtworms's kitchen nuts like you.

or should i call you Joe?


:o

[redqueen]

37. That's controversial?

Sounds more like common sense to me.

Who butters the whole pan? That's just wasting butter!

[AlCzervik]

46. wrong doers that's who!

[JackBeck]

48. You use a pan?

I thought that was the sole function of an iron.

[AlCzervik]

49. are you in prison?

[JackBeck]

50. Will my secret be safe with you?

[AlCzervik]

56. i like to have plausible deniability, don't me something i'll have to lie about

and I'll last like no seconds if i was being tortured, as soon as they broke out the first rubber hose i'd be spilling your secrets.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

62. I always butter the bread -

what kind of idiot puts butter in the pan? Jeeze.

[rexy]

114. YES!! This is how I've always done it.

[Connonym]

116. doesn't everyone do it that way?

wow, I never even thought about buttering the pan. What a sheltered life I've lead.

[Heidi]

51. The war on drugs is, in fact, a war on people. (nt)

[peruban]

89. It's not so much a war drugs

As much as it is a war on "competition" in the black market.

[mvd]

52. Not so controversial on DU I guess, but it is overall

I think 9/11 was at least LIHOP.

I DON'T believe Johnson was involved in the JFK assassination. I think it was the CIA with some mafia help.

Kerry likely won in 2004 (not controversial here, but elsewhere.)

[Initech]

58. I believe George Bush is the child of satan sent here to destroy the planet.

[hunter]

77. Nope, he and his sibs are living proof that eugenics is a very bad idea.

:P

[Corgigal]

59. The Halloween Ghoul

he leaves halloween gifts under the skeleton we have displayed in the living room. Since I live in holy roller land, I would tell the kids..do NOT tell your friends or we will have locals with pitchforks outside of our home.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

60. I agree with the first one

There was no guy named Jesus - he was fabricated by 12 guys who ran a gambling casino. The second one sounds good to me.

My own most controversial belief is if you unplug your phone no one tries to call, ever.

[Book Lover]

63. I think it's wrong to own pets

I would never, ever, ever take anyone's pet from their family, but I think it's wrong to own a pet. I don't like the term companion animal, which I think whitewashes the whole situation.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

64. !

:popcorn:

I double dog dare you to post this as an original op in GD. Wear your flame retardant thunderpants.

[Book Lover]

69. Oh no way sister!

I'm controversial, not imbecilic! But if I ever want to start the flame war to end all flamewars, I'll know where to start.

And for the record, my family (but not my current household - no room in our teensy living quarters) has lovingly lived with cats and dogs for many years. This is just one of those theoretical positions people sometimes take. Only in a rescue situation would I take someone's pet from their home. Actually, I really admire people who animalnap pets from abusive situations.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

72. Jeesh

pleeeeeeze post it over there ---------------------> GD

I will back you up. :)

[Jade Fox]

129. You've got guts.......

I really really don't get having pets.

[KamaAina]

67. I believe the children are our future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S0oRfoR0Z0

[rug]

68. George W. Bush has one testicle.

[Chan790]

95. Pbbbt!!

For the longest time, I used to tell GOPers anytime that other liberal friends busted on GWB that I thought he was doing the best he could as a born hermaphrodite. (Because it's a great non-sequitur and it really makes no sense in reference to his job performance.) Just so matter of fact...it's a great distraction.

If it goes unchallenged, other stupid people accept it as fact after a while. If it gets challenged, people waste their breath trying to argue that Presidunce Bush wasn't born with both sets of sex organs or extra-chromosomal abnormality.

The best part is that the average College Republican has this gagging visceral response to the idea. They don't mind if their President is a moron though.

[Lubernaut]

71. Anyone who reads this sentence is a bad person.

But if they read this one they will win Lotto next week!

[Fire Walk With Me]

94. Anyone who reads this sentence becomes a good person again.

And gives me that Lotto money.

(Absolutely sweet sculpture in your sig pic!)

[Oeditpus Rex]

73. Basically, I believe in peace

and bashin' two bricks together.

[elshiva]

101. I HOPE YOU ARE ENJOYING THIS!

[hunter]

74. Cuba has nukes.

Fidel Castro is one sharp cookie and sweet talked a few away from the Russians. All we can do about it is scream like angry monkeys and throw shit in the air.

:hide:

Saint Paul was a self-loathing gay man terrified of women, most especially powerful women in the Church.

:hide:

There are only three perceptible dimensions, each 2/3 mass-like and 1/3 time-like. Everything is traveling "at the speed of light."

:hide:

Human beings are ordinary mammals, and not particularly intelligent. Civilization as we know it is a temporary aberration. Future civilizations will find us most remarkable for the volume of trash we left behind. They will consider our philosophies demented and not worthy of any significant discussion outside the academic discipline of social pathology.

:hide:

(My "beliefs" are pretty fluid, sometimes like cold molasses, at other times like liquid helium. When they begin to crystalize you'll know I'm dead. Feed me to the polar bears.)

[NoPasaran]

78. "Nuke-you-ler" is the correct pronunciation

:hide:

[tismyself]

79. The sock and the sock and then the shoe and the shoe.

[Orrex]

103. Well that makes you a reactionary lunatic

And I don't mind saying it.

[tismyself]

104. Oh yeah?

Man, I tried the sock shoe sock shoe thing one morning and was screwed up all damn day.

Sometimes you just have to draw a line.

[Orrex]

105. Here's a tip for next time:

Both socks on one foot, both shoes on the other.

Works a treat!

[tismyself]

106. Look what you've done!

Now every morning when I'm putting on my sock sock shoe shoe, I am going to think about your post and laugh. You've invaded my morning routine!!

[Lucian]

80. I can't decide which is the most controversial.

x(

[walldude]

81. You sure you want to hear this?

My belief is that DU is a complete waste of time. Flame away.

[ghostsofgiants]

82. Something tells me that if I went over to GD and posted this it'd be somewhat controversial...

Unless progressives organize and create social movements, Obama won't bring about a whole lot of change. (Something tells me this debate has been seen over there, but I avoid that place like the plague.)

[SarahB]

83. Someone already wrote mine. nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

84. I Believe That I'm A Highly Superior Being Sent Here To The Planet Of Retarded Monkeys In Order To

ultimately decide to save the world or destroy it.

True story.

[flvegan]

86. I believe that when spending $2 on tamales at a hispanic yard sale

it's appropriate and appreciated to break into song!

"Ay, ay, ay, ay, canta y no llores
porque cantando se alegran
cielito lindo los corazones."

[Chan790]

97. The Asian Woodcarver is upset because nobody sings to him.

They just bring him pieces of wood and expect him to carve them stuff.

[otherlander]

87. Growing poppies and manufacturing heroin

and other opiates from them should be legal.

Compulsory education should be abolished.

[peruban]

88. Civilization was created to control the masses.

And sports is just another way to wage war by feeling superior to rivals.


Also on edit: Legalize it!

[SPKrazy]

91. There Is A God

and he isn't me

prolly not anyone here either :P

but collectively there may be something.

[harmonicon]

93. I don't believe in anything

[Dinger]

96. Me:

bu$h and cheney were the real "people" behind 9-11. They did it.

(I'm nervous about posting this one, but what the hell?): I don't think the monkey in the WH is dumb.

[XemaSab]

137. W is stupid like a fox

n/t

[Chan790]

99. I should be apppointed benevolent dictator.

*I'm a zero-territorialist. I think that Guam and Puerto Rico should have to vote between becoming states or independent nations and that continued status as US territories should not be on the ballot.

*Animals have rights.

*People who commit animal abuse should have to serve their sentences in standard-sized dog crates.

*Four-day workweek.

*Humanities should be required subjects in HS. Math...not so much. Most people will never need or use calculus.

*Soil, wind, sunlight and water should be free and people should not be allowed to profit from the exploitation of unlimited renewable resources. Corollary: No more gene-modification to seeds to force farmers to buy new seeds yearly and no laws forbidding seed collecting.

*reinstatement of the highest tax brackets as existed prior to Reagan. 70% tax-rates and all.

*US ratification of the ICC.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

100. I believe after my body ceases to function, my spirit will return.

But this is something I believe, not something I know. So I won't be upset if my belief is mistaken. No biggie.

I also believe we have a tendency to cling to our beliefs too strongly, like an addiction. As a result, when those beliefs are proved incorrect, we reject the truth in order to avoid fcing the disappointment of being wrong.

[elshiva]

102. I do no longer believe that there was a historical Jesus, either.

Also, I believe that people can choose to be good.

[Connonym]

118. I think it's kind of the opposite

I think people are born good but choose to be bad. Think there might have been a historic Jesus but don't believe he was the son of god because I'm pretty sure there is no god.

[rockymountaindem]

107. For the purposes of this form: Zionism is a positive development in world history and

Truman made an acceptable decision to use the atomic bomb due to the absence of a better alternative.

I've got some other ones though that I'd rather not share.

[nytemare]

108. I share your fist belief

and, I don't believe there was a conspiracy behind JFK's assassination. I used to read every book that came out on his killing, and was a fervent believer that someone besides Oswald was behind it. However, after seeing a well-done documentary, every piece of what I thought was evidence for conspiracy was turned around.

I also used to be very Christian, but don't believe in a Historical Jesus.

What can I say, I was wrong.

[krispos42]

109. Live acoustic version of "Layla" kicks the studio version's ass. Badly.

Flame away.


:hide:

[Zavulon]

120. Both versions suck.

However, the acoustic version is much worse. Makes me want to throw up.

[baldguy]

110. Humanity's destiny is to destroy the Earth.

And our only chance for survival is to move out into space.

[enigmatic]

111. NBA games are fixed by refs

the whole canoli.

[rcrush]

131. I thought that was widley known already.

[Wapsie B]

112. Sometimes I wonder if those who talk nonstop have the most to hide

or are overcompensating for some perceived shortcoming. Agree with the monogamy thing upthread. I believe that when we die our soul lives on in another realm and that we are all interconnected to some higher power.

[Hardrada]

113. We must defend traditional European Christian culture

from those who would debase and defile it.

[XemaSab]

138. Interesting thought

And yes, unpopular in some circles.

[ZombieNixon]

115. If I don't know you...

you're a douchebag worthy of nothing more than my contempt. Sometimes I get to know you and realize you're a douchebag anyway. :P

[Neshanic]

117. The Hadron thingy changed the timeline and we do not know it.

[JackBeck]

119. Regardless of someone's situation, I could never applaud shooting my child's kitten.

Sorry, but I spilled too many tears over Old Yeller as a kid.

[tigereye]

124. space aliens don't care about what we are doing!

They have better things to do somewhere else in the galaxy!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

125. I believe...

...the QWERTY keyboard layout was designed to train people's hands to more easily masturbate.

[astral]

128. The Earth is Flat. Er -- I mean HOLLOW.

Admiral Bird went somewhere other than over the top of the North Pole. The eskimos came from the center of the earth. There is an advanced civilization in there (I know not whether they are human or not) who send flying saucers out here to check on us and make sure we don't destroy the planet from the outside. The northernn and southern lights come from the holes in the poles as there is light in there. A central sun made of soft particles, which collected there gradually in the formation of the planet. Wilhelm Reich's orgone energy accumulators also accumulated soft particles. So do the Pyramids and the pyramid shapes when made correctly and aligned with the north / south magnetic poles. The reason the magnetic pole raises heck with compasses is that it IS the pole, that is the outer opening of the hole to the center of the earth. The U.S. military has guards completely surrounding the magnetic poles, as they don't really want people going up there exploring. The government knows about this; their secret underground caverns actually go DOWN TO the other side of the wall of the earth's crust. All planets are in fact hollow. The phenomenon of gravity is something quite different than we imagine it to be; it is electomagnetic energy and when you get through the hole to the inside of the earth you still stick to the land on the outside of the planet, you don't fall towards the central sun. (The central sun is made up of the soft particles mentioned above.) The vast majority of the human population is never going to be told about this place and for certain will never see it. This is why there will never be a successful rocket ship trip to orbit with civilians aboard.

And there is a God.

[jberryhill]

130. Kudzu is going places...

[lightningandsnow]

132. Prostitution should be decriminalized for consenting adults.

That's right, not "legalized, regulated, and taxed the shit out of", but decriminalized. I say treat it as work, not a vice or a crime.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

133. Football is silly.

[Haole Girl]

134. The belief that ESP does exist. (nt)

[RagAss]

135. Disco was a failed plot by the USSR to destroy American culture...

It was foiled in part by the "Frampton Comes Alive" album in the summer of 1976, which served as a beacon in a sea of musical shit until the disco duck took it's dying shit !

[mwooldri]

139. Jesus of Nazareth has already returned.

But he was horrified by what he saw so he buggered off back to heaven.

Mark.

[mwooldri]

140. The Rapture? We've all been raptured already. nt