Why are you a bad liberal?

[lightningandsnow]

Here's why I am:

- I think Wendy McElroy is really effing brilliant, even though she's a libertarian. I certainly don't agree with everything she says, but her views on sex-positivity and feminism are spot-on in my opinion.
- I'm pro-porn, and support decriminalizing sex work
- I'm not quite a socialist
- I listen to country music
- I don't believe in hate speech laws
- I'm a pescetarian, because I can't quite stop eating seafood

And you? ;)

[charlie and algernon]

1. I'm an omnivore

I love all kinds of meat and seafood.
Never got into Bob Dylan, can't understand what he's saying.
I like to do such bourgeoisie activities like going to orchestral performances

[LuckyTheDog]

76. OOPs... wrong spot

See the response ... moved below.

[MrCoffee]

2. I have a deep distrust of unions

They pretty much all suck in my book.

[Bertha Venation]

5. I read: I have a deep distrust of onions.

:P

[MrCoffee]

9. Them too, but that has no effect on my value as a liberal

Most of your edible bulbs are not to be depended on.

[Z_I_Peevey]

22. Especially the leek.

Particularly hated in D.C., I understand.

[Oeditpus Rex]

11. ...which reminded me of a song I haven't heard in about 40 years

but which, amazingly, is on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nODxN-17y3g

[sasquatch]

82. I feel that way about Police unions

[azmouse]

3. I live in a large house (but not a McMansion)

I eat meat.
I don't drink lattes.
I don't wear Birkenstocks.

[sasquatch]

94. Nice post Midlo

:P

[Bertha Venation]

4. I'm not liberal enough. n/t

[Oeditpus Rex]

6. I drive a crap-spewing gas-guzzler

But it's a really cool crap-spewing gas-guzzler. :)

[Throd]

29. 455 Big block Olds

Which I drive to the store to buy large quantities of meat for grilling outdoors.

Oh yeah, I drink beer from cans too.

[guitar man]

7. I might be armed

I might be armed at any given moment with a .45 Colt

Ribeye steak is the best thing ever :D

I agree with you on porn and sex work ;)

I don't know if riding a Harley is an anti-liberal thing to do or not, but I have one and ride it, with all the black leather and skulls too :evilgrin:

[NJmaverick]

8. I am bad liberal because liberal is a label others slap on me

I don't label myself as one. Frankly if it were up to me I would do away with all labels.

[Symarip]

17. I disagree

Everything and everyone is labeled. I accept this as human behavior. You may choose not to label yourself, but others have labeled you whether you like it or not. At certain times, I found labels I've given myself have opened doors that allow change in perception and therefore I don't find them all bad. Some I embrace whole heartedly.

[NJmaverick]

78. I have created an OP addressing this very issue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4742470&mesg_id=4742470

[TZ]

10. Me

I don't think porn is awful.
I work for a mega corporation and don't think they are Satan. (most of the time)
I love meat and hate veggies.
I don't think all republicans are evil and dumb.

[XemaSab]

35. I'll do you one better:

I don't think all fundies are evil and dumb. ;)

[TZ]

36. I agree.

Growing up one of my mother's best friends was a born again who spoke in tongues..I liked her a lot. She was an interesting person.

[LeftyMom]

12. I'm not a liberal, I'm a leftist. This makes me *really* popular in political discussions.

:evilgrin:

[ghostsofgiants]

19. Haha, one of the many reasons I stay out of GD and GDP here.

I'm not a liberal or a Democrat, and my views are shall we say a little radical compared to a lot of the people around here.

[LeftyMom]

21. Well, you're a furriner so you're expected to have crazy ideas.

When I suggest that capitalism isn't the Greatest System EVAR!!1! people get all indignant. And weirdly, the more they're getting assfucked by the system, the more dedicated they are to defending it. It's political Stockholm Syndrome, IMO.

[ghostsofgiants]

23. I actually called it political Stockholm Syndrome in an essay once.

*high five*

Most people who know me know my views on capitalism, even if they are pro-capitalist, they know not to get me going, haha.

[LeftyMom]

27. Mediocre minds run in the same rut.

*high five*

I'm pretty lucky, I'm part of a student group where my politics really aren't all that radical. So I get to have good discussions (and actual activism) through them.

[ghostsofgiants]

28. Yeah, I have friends who are pretty much on the same page as me.

I've even sucked my little brother in, haha.

[harmonicon]

60. you rule!

I'm totally stealing "political Stockholm Syndrome". That's exactly what it is - good call.

[Symarip]

13. I don't even know what it means to be a liberal

I just take it like any other label in as such for every one involved it's different for that individual. But with what you're asking, here are my general disagreements with some "progressive" idea's:

I think 'hate' crimes are ridiculous. It seems very Big Brotherish to judge criminal intent and decypher the level of hate used to make a criminal decision. This is not to say crimes should go unpunished but all things considered, I think an assault is an assault and a murder is a murder.

I'm not very PC. In many ways, Political Correctness has aided our society but has also stifled area's of humor and irony that I enjoy.

I have no problem keeping good relationships with people I disagree with politically.

I have no problem disagreeing with those whom I share an allegiance to politically and maintaining a good relationship when such disagreements occur. Same as above, just a different tint.

I take no issue with war when war is necessary. This is not to say I think we should be at war right now or war should be a first option. Nor should my feeling on this solely be taken in a global sense.

[SoxFan]

14. Uh oh

* I think the National Education Association is full of shit a lot of the time.

* I am sort of-kind of pro-life.

* I think Noam Chomsky is a pretentious bag of gas. Same thing for Katha Pollit.

* I love hockey and enjoy seeing someone like Milan Lucic beat the hell out of anyone playing for Montreal.

[Wapsie B]

32. Agreed on the NEA.

Even before the public schools were being stripped of money there were students being pushed through the system that had no business whatsoever holding a high school diploma. People whose mastery of the basics was at a lower elementary level at best were being promoted through the schools, this even in so-called good school systems.

I wouldn't mind learning how to handle a firearm safely and owning a few.
I love meat, juicy, tasty red meat. Nothing better than a nice T-bone on the grill.
Art house films do not hold my interest.

[femmocrat]

53. I don't believe that the NEA is to blame for "social promotions".

(I just don't feel like researching it.) I've been a member of NEA for 15 years and I don't recall their ever endorsing such practices.

I think a lot of that came from weak-kneed administrators who caved to parental pressures, actually. JMHO

[RoyGBiv]

72. !!!!

I'm with you on Chomsky. He strikes me as the Left's version of George Will. Because he knows a helluva lot (and they both do), he tends to slip into thinking he knows pretty much everything.

A history professor friend, himself a self-labeled liberal, bangs his head against many brick walls when reading some things Chomsky writes. He gets historical details wrong all the time and then bases bold assertions on those inaccuracies.

[KitchenWitch]

15. I like to go to air shows.

I drive a mini-van
I am an omnivore
I want to own a gun
I have gone to the shooting range in the past and enjoyed it

[TZ]

16. I've been to a few air shows myself...

My dad worked in an aircraft engine plant for years....

[LanternWaste]

18. Because I don't consider myself to be...

Because I don't consider myself to be of above average intelligence

I don't consider the American people (or the people of the world for that matter) to be sheep.

I realize that I, along with every other American, has bought into the world of commercialization and that I justify and defend it when it suits my purposes.

I respect Republicans and Conservatives as people, as human beings, and as family members and friends.

Because I realize I am ignorant of so much more than I'm aware of.

I don't belittle or minimize people for believing or not believing in one or more deities..

[SoxFan]

40. In other words, you are a lot lke Harry truman

:patriot:

[charlie and algernon]

41. ah yes, I haven't disowned my republican father and other family members either

so that must make me a bad liberal too.

[ghostsofgiants]

20. Well the biggest thing that would make me a bad liberal, I guess...

Is that I don't consider myself to be one.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

24. Because I think NASA/space exploration is a good thing.

[lightningandsnow]

25. Me too!

Might be because I'm an astronomy nerd, though.

[dawgmom]

66. Yikes! When did that become anti-liberal?

Seriously, there are people who think it's anti-liberal to support the space program? That's just sad, and terribly short-sighted.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

74. There are liberal-leaning people who think NASA is wasting money better spent on...

fighting poverty and general improvement of the human condition 'right here on earth.'
Others of us certainly get that but feel the basic human desire for knowledge must also be fed and that there are plenty other places to redirect funds from for humanitarian causes.

[cemaphonic]

99. Lots of libertarians and other economic RWers don't like it for the same reason

(well, except for the "spend the money on poverty part - they'd rather just keep the money)

Except for the ones that are sci-fi nuts (which is a fair number of them actually.)

I think that this fits more into the category of "govt. shouldn't spend money on shit that doesn't interest/benefit me," than specifically disliking NASA.

Although there are lefties who consider it purely an arm of the MI complex, and dislike it for that reason.

[Z_I_Peevey]

26. I drive a truck and own a gun.

Been in a fistfight too, and yes, I won.

(Add your own tune and you've got yourself a country song.)

[Jamastiene]

30. Cows hold up the "Eet mor chikn" sign when they see me.

There is nothing like a good beef roast or a good rib eye.

[MineralMan]

31. I prefer "Bad-Ass Liberal," to tell the truth...

[XemaSab]

33. Here's my last post on the DU:

I think capitalism isn't the worst way to run an economy.
Michael Moore is an unabashed propagandist, sort of like Rush Limbaugh.
I like my car, and I use it often.
Fish is yummy.
Nothing annoys me more than EarthFirsters and other stupid hippies.
Wood products are good.
I don't have a problem with *responsible* cattle ranching.
I hate the terms GREEN, SUSTAINABLE, ALTERNATIVE, PRISTINE, and so forth. I think it's all marketing.
I love the AC in the summer, and the heat in winter.

I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting.

Edit:

Some of my best friends are Christians, fundies, and republicans.
I don't have a problem with responsible gun ownership.
I don't have a problem with responsible hunting.

[Danger Mouse]

52. Wow...you're gonna get it.

[Mudoria]

73. You probably eat at the Olive Garden too..

[soleiri]

34. I'm an awesome liberal

Let’s see,
I was a Liberal Studies major (Marxist!)
I’m vegetarian. I give to Greenpeace and PETA on a regular basis. I believe in equal rights. I’ve never been in a fight in my life. I prefer public transportation to driving.
just one thing…. I’m kind of mean spirited when people irritate the holy living crap out of me.
So the peace and love crap is beyond me.
I also don't care much for 60's folk music.

oh, and I love a good hockey game, fights and all.

[taterguy]

44. Public transportation? What's wrong with getting off your lazy ass and walking or biking?

Just wanted to test out that 'mean spirited when people irritate the living crap out of me' thing you've got going there.

Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[soleiri]

45. Hey!

:wtf:
I walk almost a mile to the nearest bus stop!







thanks for the welcome
:hi:

[TZ]

49. Don't mind taterguy....

He's just like that. Now that you've been insulted by him you really are a member of DU...:rofl:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

37. I eat meat, dairy, everything like that.

Whoot!

[NewJeffCT]

38. I've eaten at the Olive Garden before

as well as some other chain restaurants. Though, I don't smoke or breastfeed at them.

Let's see what else I can come up with:
My house is a little too big for my family of three.

I've never been to a protest march

I drive a Toyota Prius, so I'm also an America-hating elitist.

I work in a conservative profession in a conservative industry.

I was so turned off by Congress' inaction in 2007-8 that I donated no money to any candidate or political group this year (no oversight, no enforcement of subpoenas, my rep. voting to censure MoveOn.org, etc)

[flvegan]

39. I drive a car built entirely in Japan. My beer comes from Holland. I openly mock

the threads of other liberals when they post stupid shit on message boards.

[Chan790]

42. Oh, I've got a few doozies in my liberal closet...

1.) Opposition to gun-control.
2.) I think the public-education system is irreparably-broken.
3.) I'm a moral-objectivist.

[Bunny]

43. I don't care what you drive and I don't care where you shop.

[ZombieNixon]

46. I distrust hippies and don't believe the 60s was the revolutionary utopia some say it was

(mostly because look what happened after it).

There's a 90% chance that, given a random person on the street, I'd rather kick their ass than hold their hand.

Don't give me anything tie-dye for Christmas...or ever. I'll burn it.

My field of choice is in a luxury industry (video games - though in this economy, I'd better get used to working at Guitar Center or wherever :P).

I do believe in capitalism in a limited capacity. In a European social democratic/market economy state, I'd be probably right in the middle of the political spectrum.

I believe protest marches are largely ineffective and obsolete in this decade.

I like to laugh at other people with careless abandon.

I eat meat, occasionally even from fast food places.



Oh, yeah, not anti-war, either, just anti-specific wars started by idiots for no reason.

[Franzia]

47. I live in Texas. I drive a Toyota. I work in the 'awl bidness'.

I like Steely Dan.

[harmonicon]

61. I could never believe that a right winger could like Steely Dan

[Franzia]

67. I don't know of any right wingers who like Steely Dan.

:hi:

[edbermac]

48. I support the death penalty in some cases.

Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, perverts who abuse and kill children; sorry but I have no desire to see them
lounging around their jail cells for the rest of their lives.

[Initech]

50. Here is why I am:

- I actually have voted for a Republican, but that's only because I know the guy's son. (other than that, my voting record is clean, believe me)

- My car is made in Japan.

- I am a beer snob (seriously, fuck Bud, Miller, and Coors)

- I think PETA stands for "People eating tasty animals". :evilgrin:

[femmocrat]

51. I drive a foreign-made SUV and I love it!

I am not a vegetarian (although I don't eat red meat very often).
I do not drink and have never done drugs.
I bought my pure-bred dogs from (gasp!) a breeder.

[Danger Mouse]

54. Mostly because I'm pragmatic and don't consider Republicans to be inherently evil.

Also, I can't stand far left whackos anymore than I can stand the far right ones.
I think a lot of DUer's are fringe loonies who can't even comprehend how far out of the mainstream they are.
On most issues, I can see both sides, and be fairly even-handed. This frustrates many lefties who derive comfort from black-and-white thinking.

[mcctatas]

55. I laugh at inappropriate jokes, I kinda like being a girly girl, I am

slow to outrage and I don't mind being called a chick or a bitch.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

56. i often judge others for their choices and do not feel the need to apologize for it

i dont judge things that are not choices (gender, age, sexual orientation, color, ethnicity etc) but i do judge choices (what car you drive, how callous you are to the environment, how many kids you think are sustainable, your religious choices etc).

i also believe in shades of gray ..

[Deep13]

84. Wow, me too.

I guess that means we are going to liberal hell where Hoover is always president and the only thing on TV are shitty, local televangelists and the only thing on the radio is Glenn Beck and shit-kicker music.

[mvd]

57. While I agree with the left on most things, like..

being for single payer health care, equal rights for all, supporting peace and diplomacy, making the rich pay their fair share, corporate responsibility, anti-death penalty, being pro-choice, etc., there are a few things:

- I'm not huge on Affirmative Action
- I love Christmas
- I don't think banning all guns is possible
- Would like abortions kept to a minimum
- I like some country music
- Am pragmatic. Leftist ideals aren't the problem and stands should be made - but we can't expect immediate gratification on everything

[Name removed]

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[bluedigger]

59. Um, let's see...

1) I own a handgun.

2) I drive a SUV (well, technically I gave it to my bro for X-mas, but I'm looking at Jeeps...)

3) So NOT PC - people have a right to express themselves - even if they are idiots, LOL!

4) Omnivore

5) Civilian contractor (for a ginormous corporation) to the Federal gov't (Sorry, Naomi!)

[Zavulon]

62. I'm a Democrat, not really a liberal.

I am pretty conservative fiscally, I am pro-gun and I am anything but green. I'm a Democrat, however, because of most social issues in which I want Republicans and their religion the fuck out of my life.

[elshiva]

63. I'm pro-porn, too.

I also eat meat.

[WildEyedLiberal]

64. I can't stand pot and have no idea why as a liberal I am supposed to think it's awesome

I do think it should be legalized for several reasons, including tax/revenue and relieving the strain on our overburdened justice system, but the whole "yeah dude let's smoke a bowl" chic crap just pisses me off.

I have shot several different types of handguns and rifles and would like to own one or more someday. I think most gun control laws (beyond, you know, "don't sell guns to felons or crazy people") are nanny state bullshit.

I eat meat and like it.

I am a practicing Catholic.

I think the 60s counterculture - specifically the sexual revolution - was mostly an immature overreaction to rigid social constraints. Really, we don't all have to want to fuck everything under the sun to prove that we're "liberated." Restraint and discretion does not make one a "prude." That said, there was some great music produced by all that sex n' drugs.

I live in a rural area in the middle of the country and find much of value in the people, culture, and attitudes that surround me.

I think political correctness falls far too often on the side of "humorless suffocating thought police" as opposed to "agent of cultural understanding."

[cemaphonic]

101. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan either, although I too hate the War on Drugs for a ton of reasons.

It's an OK social drug, I guess - better than alcohol, but it still has the tendency to turn otherwise interesting people into boring idiots who talk in circles and laugh at anything for a few hours. And stoner "culture" annoys me, especially because I like a lot of the same shit they like.

[dawgmom]

65. Well, let's see....

-I make a lot of money, and my husband makes a lot of money, and we live in a house that's probably too big for us.
-I drive nearly 85 miles a day as part of my commute, and I don't do it in a Prius.
-I don't think that all Republicans are evil. In fact, I happen to know a lot of very nice ones.
-I'm not particularly offended by porn, except for images which are blatantly demeaning to women. But even those, I wouldn't try to ban. Free speech is free speech.
-I'm not a socialist. I actually think capitalism is a pretty good system.
-I don't hate rich people. I know a lot of very nice ones, actually. And contrary to what a lot of people on DU seem to think, most of the rich people I know work VERY hard, and very long hours. It's one of the ways they got rich, and stay rich. They're not all Paris Hilton trust fund babies.
-I eat meat, and I love it.
-I listen to all kinds of music, including classic country (not this pop-country crap that passes for country today).
-I'm still a little skeeved out by the whole transgender thing -- but I'm working on it.
-I don't mistrust the medical profession as a whole. I also support the need for the use of animals in biomedical research.
-I don't really understand the whole "new feminism" thing. So, if I flash my breasts to a crowd, that makes ME powerful? Mmmn huh.

[Kali]

68. I raise (and eat) beef cattle, even on a bit of public land.

I own a gun, drive large gas guzzling vehicles (though I really want to change that as much as possible) and I have rather conservative friends and neighbors (even Mormons!)

I have voted for a couple of repukes in my life and may again.

[sasquatch]

83. Me too, except the neighbors

[RoyGBiv]

69. Oh, where to begin ...

Let's see, the first time someone told me I was a bad liberal was when I was in high school. I got into an argument with one of my feminist friends about porn. Interestingly, 20-odd years later (a few months ago) I went to a round table discussion on the history of sex work and the need for decriminalization, sponsored by, of all things, a feminist organization at a major university.

And most of my examples are like that. One subset of some group would label me a "bad" liberal because of an opinion I have while another subset of the same group would call me a "good" liberal.

Other things ...

-- I believe heavily regulated capitalism is the best economic policy for this nation.

-- I'm don't hate cops.

-- I think Robespierre was a fool and all those who seek a modern expression of his philosophy, knowingly or not, are also fools.

-- I have paintings in my home that happen to have Confederate battle flags in them.

-- I believe churches should not be prevented from organizing political activity. (See, in the 50s and 60s this would have made me a good liberal ... see history of the civil rights movement for the reason why.)

-- I like my steak medium rare.

Oh, and I write a semi-regular satirical "newsletter" that is circulated among several friends and colleagues, all of whom are self-described liberals, called "Why I Hate Liberals." It typically picks on certain liberals who have shown a remarkable talent for being just as blind, ignorant, and hypocritical as right-wingers.

[Kali]

89. oh that damned historical perspective!

Your point about churches and political activity is going to make me have to think a bit. I liked my pat position, damn you.

[RoyGBiv]

97. Damn me all to hell ...

:-) How's it goin, Kali? :hi:

It's a fine line.

Churches cross it when they have a political litmus test for their members, imo, and there are some activities in which modern churches engage that give me pause. I don't like the government giving them money when that money is used in any way to promote the religion itself, for example.

But faith-based organizations being involved in what are eventually political movements is as old as the nation. The first anti-slavery movements were based in churches. The first American peace movements were originally church based. Education, women's rights (ironically enough), anti-lynching, sanitation, health care in general ... hell, the concept of separation of church and state has its roots in churches because people of faith did not want to have their faith dictated to them by a government.

That's not to say that churches haven't been on the other end of all this as well. The schism amongst Methodists and Baptists especially in the 19th century was caused by different viewpoints on slavery. But the point is that without those committed individuals within the churches, anti-slavery sentiment likely never would have been more than a passing thought up to the point it became economically inviable, if it ever did. The schism itself is evidence of positive political change through the church based on a social gospel of improving the lot of humankind on earth, which in turn, according to religious philosophy of this sort, improves the soul. The key here is that churches used their organizing and message delivering abilities to convince people of the right path with the intent of having them involve themselves in the political process.

Churches in general today get bad press among liberals in large part because a lot of the heavyweights have crossed the line. Falwell, Robertson, et al abandoned the social gospel and took up the cause of seeking political change to entrench their own power for the sake of power. They don't necessarily want to get people involved in the political process in order to effect positive change. They seek more to limit the influence of others and establish themselves as final arbiter of all that is right and wrong. This is a distinct contrast to the churches that were behind the civil rights movements. Behind all the rhetoric today rests little desire to improve the world, rather the desire to dictate it. And that I do not agree with in the slightest.

[BarenakedLady]

70. Loads of reasons

Which probably don't bother anyone but myself.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

71. because

I am white trailer trash, who eats meat and shoots guns.

[jakefrep]

75. I drive an SUV...

- I'm an omnivore
- I donated to one of Dennis Kucinich's primary opponents
- I'm not offended by the use of corporate jets

[LuckyTheDog]

77. OK, this is bad, but... here it is...

I know personally one of the people up for the job of RNC chairman. And I don't hate him. I can't say I know him very well, though.

[meegbear]

79. Because I don't support Rick Warren leading the Invocation ...

which means (of course) I hate Obama ...
which means (of course) I hate the progressive change in the country ...
which means (of course) I support republican ideals.

[Burma Jones]

80. I'm moderately wealthy and have no guilt over it

I am definitely NOT a Socialist but believe in regulation to reduce and eliminate the coercion that the powerful exercise over the weak. Income disparity is way way way out of hand.

I am rarely offended.

Liberty trumps equality, but they are not mutually exclusive.

I like Firearms.

I also do not believe in hate speech laws. I believe in harshly punishing crime regardless of intent.

I do not believe Child Molesters and Violent Criminals are capable of, nor deserve, rehabilitation and release. I think Retribution is a valid goal.

I support the Death Penalty and Madoff (for one) deserves it.

I do not believe all cultures are good.

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of results, I believe that most people do not have the drive and/or intelligence to be anything other than drones.

I fucking hate political Folk Music (Bob Dylan excepted).

I wouldn't live In Takoma Park, MD even if you gave me a free house.

I detest whining.

Often I think I probably do not belong here.........but I do value competence, intelligence and wit, and DU offers these qualities in abundance....

[RoyGBiv]

98. You belong here ...

I would agree with most of the above, though not all of course. That's the nature of not being a political ideologue.

I tend to distrust ideologues, which is another thing, I guess, that makes me a bad liberal because it means I lack respect for a few so-called liberal icons.

[mainegreen]

81. I think weapon ownership is a human rights issue and I'm pro-gambling.

Even though I don't own a gun, hate shooting guns and hate to gamble.

[Deep13]

85. Geez, I must REALLY be bad...

...since I like both of those things.

[TZ]

86. Yeah. You are really bad you...

mean ol' atheist skeptic you...:hug:

its not people's beliefs so much that I judge them by, its their actions, and you my friend have earned a lifetime pass from me for yours...

[Deep13]

95. Why thank you.

:pals:

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

87. My turn

- I belong to a hierarchical, traditional church.
- I keep company with conservatives and libertarians.
- I believe in the free market (when it's done right, not this supply-side, Reaganite crap).
- I don't believe in foreign aid programs as they exist now.
- I call myself a progressive, which seems to piss off a lot of left-wingers.

[Coyote_Bandit]

88. Eggs

I have great respect for a young fellow I know. Earlier this fall I volunteered to work for a week to help this young fellow while his wife traveled to a funeral - a comic tragedy of sorts as the death occurred during an evacuation from a hurricane. He works 12 to 16 hours a day seven days a week. Every 18 months or so he gets a couple of weeks off. He does hard dirty work - and will not get rich doing it. Some liberals disparage him and his work. He is contracted with a commercial egg production company. An environmentally responsible and humane egg production company.

There are some ignorant liberals who either do not know or refuse to recognize that not all commercial egg production requires that chickens be crated. Sometimes those chickens are permitted to go outside at will. Organic egg production makes no use of food additives, growth hormones, or other chemicals. Sexing is not always mandated. Sometimes some of those eggs go to a hatchery. Some companies mandate that chicken litter be removed and transported for purposes of being used to manufacture commercial fertilizer. Not all commercial chicken operations contribute to groundwater contamination. And, horror of horrors, some egg production operations are regularly inspected by the Humane Society. There is one egg production company which is actually endorsed by the Humane Society. That egg production company provides the Humane Society the capability to monitor live video feeds 24/7 in many of its flocks.

[Ohio Joe]

90. A few reasons

I drive a gas guzzler.
I'm pro-porn.
I like Arnie movies.
I don't like the Dixie Chicks.
I don't care for Michael Moore.

[mvd]

92. No Dixie Chicks like?

Bad liberal indeed. :spank:

I happen to love them. But on the other side, I might be a bad liberal for liking some new country as well as old. :hi:

[Mad_Dem_X]

91. 1. I eat meat; and

2. I am pro-Death Penalty, in certain situations

[mvd]

93. I agree on the meat part

I do feel a little guilty about it, though.

[Lucian]

96. I work and shop at a Walmart.

I also share your views on porn and sex.

[Xipe Totec]

100. I'm a pescetarian too!

If I see food, I eat it.

[Taverner]

102. I agree with you on pretty much everything

But do you mean hate crime laws or hate speech laws?

Hate Crime laws are good, hate speech laws (the kind that they have in Europe) are a bad idea, if only because of the logical result.

I can add one - I'm pro-gun. I just don't want one.

[cemaphonic]

103. I was in favor of the Afghanistan war

The reasoning behind it anyway - I had a feeling even that early on that Bush and his pals would fuck up the execution.

If harboring and aiding an infamous criminal gang that just pulled of a destructive, high casualty strike against another country's military command and civilian targets (and probably the head of state as well), not to mention the monumental buildings that housed them isn't a genuine casus belli, then there is no such thing. Especially when the government in question is so loathsome that only 3 other countries acknowledged it as the legitimate ruling body.