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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:23 AM
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I hate Divorce insomnia.
Anyone else ever get it?
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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 06:31 AM
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1. well .......
not exactly divorce insomnia - mine is widowhood insomnia.

I feel for ya, though - it is really rough to go through your process.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 06:43 AM
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2. I'm so sorry.
There are times I wish I had the same problem. I just can't stand how hard it is not to hate this person after the horrible things they did to me. At least if I lost them that way, I could think more kindly of them.

I'd rather remember them as the kind person they could be rather than the lying, cheating, shallow, selfish child they turned out to be.

I hate thinking that way, especially knowing how tragic your loss may be.

Maybe it'd be nice if you talked about him.
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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 07:00 AM
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3. Yours is a very difficult process .....
I hope you can get through it quickly and move on with your life.
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 07:17 AM
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4. Things will get easier for you
Right now you're in the midst of all the decision making, all the big changes in your life, and emotions are on edge. Your life will calm down, and at some point your hate will be replaced by contentment.

:hug:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:00 PM
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9. I'm avoiding the hate.... barely.

Thanks though!



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buzzycrumbhunger Donating Member (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 07:37 AM
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5. Aw.
I got my insomnia all those years trying to figure how the hell to support myself so I could get him the fuck out of my life. By the time I pulled it all together, I was way past the grief stage and it was more of a relief.

If I may make a suggestion, I used the anger as a motivator to propel me (at least part way) into my new life. I should probably thank Capt. Assholay for telling me I would never make it on my own and would come crawling back to him because that pissed me off enough to ensure I never would. I completed a course in record time with a perfect GPA, got a job, and paid for a better attorney than he had. Of course, it could be that this personality defect is unique to me as a Libra, but maybe there's something you'd really like to change and could harness some of this bitterness for good, as well.

Trust me. It may feel like you will never find your peace of mind again, but if you just focus on writing your life's script the way you want it to play out, you're going to look back one of these days and realize it wasn't such a big jump at all. If nothing else, there's a tremendous sense of empowerment when you simply don't give a jackass that kind of control over your happiness anymore. Living well is the best revenge. :hug:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 08:09 AM
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6. Sorta. I have "getting cheated on but still want him and he says he still wants me" insomnia, but
seem to be moving myself ever closer to the "d" version.

My heart goes out to you; I've never known such pain, even family deaths were esier to move past.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 04:43 PM
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10. I can imagine that's true.
Just keep in mind; Affairs don't kill a marriage, how one responds to them does.

My marriage was destroyed because she refused to communicate with me about her wants and needs, only saying; "I shouldn't have to". I spent years begging her, sometimes on my knees to come to ME with her problems, especially her problems with me rather than complaining about me behind my back to all her friends and family.

I kept telling her that things just don't get worked out that way and the only one that can help her fix her issues and work on our marriage with her was me.

She didn't like that I was upset that she didn't talk to me... so she complained about it to her friends and family. x(

Ultimately, after going through a rough period that included depression, instead of helping me back to my feet with just the tiniest gesture, like a hug once in a while, she found a multi-millionaire and took off. Didn't even give anything, including counseling, a chance to work.

Why would she? If things worked out, she'd have to give up her millionaire. :eyes:

I'm certainly not upset for losing such a selfish, spineless, unworthy child, it's just the sheer disappointment in watching this person I had so much hope for choose to be so shallow a girl rather than ever become the magnificent woman I'd always wanted to help her become.

That she walked away thinking what she'd done was right, and knowing the psychology of the situation and how she has to make up excuses, even lies, to justify despising me so that she doesn't have to face what she's done, is what really bothers me.

Ultimately, however, what she's done will be the same death of every relationship she has until she realizes what she's done.


As for you, it's not over yet.

If you still have dreams of a good future with him, and there's reason to believe he really does care about you, then you need to find out why he's doing what he's doing and decide whether it's actually a threat to your marriage.

Affairs themselves don't kill marriages, it's the reasons behind the affairs and the reactions of the spouse that do.

One of the reasons spouses react badly to affairs is because they take it as an indication of their own failing, that they are somehow 'inadequate' for their partner. That may not always be the case. Some people cheat just because they want something 'different' once in a while, a different 'energy' a different 'feel'... but in reality there's no one they want more than their own spouse.
I know it seems corny, but yes, variety is the 'spice of life'. In other countries with older cultures than ours, the idea of cheating is accepted... although it can create a much more complex dynamic in a marriage. Ultimately, there are couples who can have affairs and still be genuinely in love with each-other.

Unfortunately, when the perp has dismissive intentions, or does it with the intention of spiting you, then it's time to give an ultimatum or just dump the creep. He needs to SHOW you that you are really number 1 in his life... somehow. You need get on top of things, but you can't let your own insecurities get in the way.

If you can't directly solve the issue through him, but you believe he may well be sincere, then it's time to get all over the situation. Go through phone records, emails, whatever it takes to find this chippie. Call her. Be sincerely pleasant as though talking to a new friend... no matter how hard it may seem to be. Say, "Hi, is this _______? Oh, it's really great to finally chat, I've heard good things about you from *hubby* and I think maybe we should talk. I'd like to get to know you a little bit."

From there, if you can engage in some meaningful or fun 'girl talk', the next thing you know, you da' woman. Managing hubby and your own insecurity will get easier that way, and you'll have a much better idea of whether to salvage or give up on your marriage.

I hope things work out, and I hope he's worth it.

Thank you.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 05:58 PM
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22. I'm doing all the heavy lifting though, he's in the Czech Republic on biz.
In fact, he just e-mailed me for some info for his long-term visa application.

I think there's no saving it now, but he returns in two weeks and we will see my counselor together. I'm already planning my life without him--selling our house (even if a short sale), smaller place that requires less maintenance, same school district for our son.

I retain a faint hope, but I'm the only one making an efforts and I'm beginning to see a contented life without him.

The girl is half his age but he says he's "in love," so I don't see a lot of hope and I'm just tired of waiting for him to "figure things out."

You and I are gonna be okay--but gad this is awful; I wouldn't wish it on even his girlfriend.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:32 AM
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24. Damn...
Here's what funny... She's nearly 9 years my junior, her 'new love' is 11 years my senior.
If she couldn't handle dealing with minor criticisms or working out functional needs between each-other, then there really isn't much hope.

I don't see a lot of hope for your STBX either. His new chippieIf there was nothing more he could have offered, then perhaps you've chosen well.

I'm headed for very good things (once I finish clearing my head of this), and looking forward to doing some very good work. No hurry to find anyone else. Hell, the criteria I'd have to impose would be far too stringent right now.

I think we're on the same page in terms of coping.

I don't wish my STBX on him either, but I know the hardship will ultimately be hers. I almost feel guilty I couldn't do enough to convince her to stay... but she had an insurmountable impetus... LOTS of MONEY.

Who can compete with that? :think:

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City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 04:51 PM
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12. My heart goes out to you
What a horrible position to be in...people can and do make mistakes, but even if you both want to get back together, you have to deal with what happened and that can be very unpleasant to say the least. In my case, the root cause was really the communication breakdown, sort of killed the emotional and physical intimacy, which she sought somewhere else. It's an old story though, she didn't do it to hurt me, she did it because she felt she lost me already and was doing what she felt she wanted to do. She went about it wrong IMO, but I can understand the circumstances she was in so much better now that time has passed. We get along well, stay in each other's lives, but there's so much hurt and now so much time has passed it seems impossible to repair the damage. But we still care about each other so it's really tough sometimes!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:17 AM
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15. Which of you attempted communication more frequently?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 12:06 PM
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7. My dear Doctor...
I'm so sorry, sweetie...

:hug:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 12:16 PM
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8. Of course, mine was a combo
of divorce and caring for a dying parent. at.the.same.time. :crazy:

I thought I would go mad!

To this day, I regularly wake up about 3 - 3:30 am and stay awake til about 5:30 or 6. 3:30 was when I had to wake up and tend to my mother, some medicine or just talk to her, soothe her during the night. And I'm of course more vulnerable to rehashing and building up all of my current stressors. :P


What helps?

Excercise. Stress management plays a big role. If I physically exhaust myself during the day, I'm more likely to sleep through the night.

No coffee. I drink two cups of caffeine tea in the morning and that's it. It's decaf and herbal and water for the rest of the day.

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City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 04:44 PM
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11. Just wait
Wait till you get the "This new person likes me, and I like them but I feel guilty, like I'm cheating on my wife if I pursue it even though we've been separated for two years and have no plans to get back together" guilt.

Separations are just so much fun, I tell ya!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:16 AM
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14. No, won't happen.
I have nothing left for her. After all the affairs, and the final betrayal... not a thing.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:20 PM
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13. ironically, divorce cured my insomnia
Took care of the headaches too. Well, most of 'em.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:18 AM
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16. I figure I'll be there in just a few months... or less.
Thanks. :toast:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:49 AM
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17. I hate pain insomnia
:(

Insomnia for any reason really sucks.

I hope you can get some rest soon. :hug:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:16 PM
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20. Yeah, that sucks...
Been suffering from both lately.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:29 AM
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18. It's nothing compared to hotflash insomnia
Trust me,I've done both.

Julie
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:50 AM
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19. Yes, I still do. She beat the crap outta me, but apologizes profusely.
Many apologies that she is sorry, it was wrong, and I didn't deserve it. But always qualified somehow that I asked for it and deserved it.

Fuck that shit!
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:21 PM
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21. If it persists, go see a doctor
People don't realize it but getting good sleep is one of the major contributors to not only good physical, but mental health as well.

If you don't sleep enough, you can cause serious problems. Speaking from personal experience: my own insomnia aggrivated my hypertension, my weight, and my bipolar disorder. I also had sleep apnea, which oftentimes prevented me from sleeping properly.

If the insomnia goes on for a couple weeks, see your doc. Get a prescription and get some sleep. You don't need to take it forever, but it can help you lead a normal life.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:58 PM
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25. Thanks, but it's really not that bad...
Some nights the mind just won't slow down. It wouldn't be so bad if I had a FPS on my system.

Maybe it's time I got a new one.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 06:05 PM
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23. Sorry.
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