"Cialis for everyday use?" Are you fucking KIDDING me?

[Redstone]

Jesus, dude, if you're a customer for an Erectile Dysfunction drug, it's a damn good bet that you're a guy in his fifties, with a wife in the same age bracket.

Now, given the fact that the both of you are probably pretty busy each day, and more than a little tired when you get home in the evening, do you REALLY think your wife is going to be thrilled on a random Tuesday when you march into the bedroom, proudly waving your tumescent tallywhacker like a proud, hormone-soaked thirteen-year-old, and expecting the wife to stop what she's doing (like planning dinner, or just relaxing) to deal with your "problem?"

Enough is just enough, already. Can't it be enough that modern pharmaceutical science has provided you the opportunity to take a pill when the kids are out of the house and you and the Mrs don't have anything else to do, and you can have that "hoop, there it is" moment, right on schedule?

Everyday Cialis...let's see how many divorces THAT causes.

Redstone

[Genevieve]

1. Lol!

:thumbsup:

[Swede]

2. I rest my case.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=8492074&mesg_id=8492074

[no name no slogan]

3. I believe it's a lower dose than regular Cialis

that way you just take one pill a day, without having to take the pill, wait for the admiral to salute, and then do your bidness.

I imagine it makes things a little closer to "normal" in that you can be spontaneous and don't have to plan your sex.

[Genevieve]

4. That makes sense.

[Pierre.Suave]

5. Reading your posts

makes me not want to get old...

[undeterred]

6. The implication is that Cialis will cause much younger women

to find Mr Perpetual Tumescence irresistable.

[NoPasaran]

92. Of course, that's the premise behind 90% of advertising.

[raccoon]

95. It will, if he's got the do-re-mi. For some of them, anyway. nt

[Lady Effingbroke]

7. My boyfriend is 56 years old. I shudder to think if he took boner pills; nothing would get done

(except me).

The last thing that man needs is "help". :7

While we're on the subject of ED commercials, would someone be kind enough to interpret the commercial in which the couples meaningfully hold hands in outdoors his n' hers bathtubs? :shrug:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

22. Birth control?

Oh, I break myself up.

Series!!!1111 though, the image confounds me, too. I find the idea of a couple of old bathtubs out there, sort of nowhere, kind of troubling - like, who filled them up? Or what are they filled with?

Creepy, actually.

No man I know of my age - and I'm older than your BF - has any need for an ED drug. And, believe me, if any of them was taking it, you better believe I'd have to hear every goddamn detail about it. My men friends are Chattier than Cathy, I swear.

[ldf]

55. i, too, have always wondered what the bathtubs

symbolize.

:shrug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

69. They're flying bathtubs.

When you're done with your intimacy, get in your flying bathtubs and find a beautiful spot to relax and hold hands.

[Justyce]

96. Old people must always bathe separately after sex,

preferably outdoors in front of witnesses. That's what I got out of it anyway. LOL

[KitchenWitch]

8. OMG!

I am thinking the "everyday Cialis" is for the middle aged executive set that has 19 year old mistresses to impress with their virility.

[Radical Activist]

17. Just what I was going to write.

[Dulcinea]

53. It's for old men with teenage trophy wives.

Makes me think of the episode of "Sex and the City" where Samantha was dating a very rich old man, & things were going well until she got a look at his naked old man rear end.

[BeachBaby]

9. Okay. This concept is a complete turn-on.

There's hope for me yet! :woohoo:

[Xipe Totec]

10. Cialis - For those who keep a rigid 24X7 schedule... n/t

[Lil Missy]

11. LOL!

I hear ya, dude.

Christ. I don't need drugs, but every day? Ya trying to kill me??

:rofl:

[TK421]

12. Well...I sit behind a desk all day so it can't do any harm

lots of bathroom breaks for me, though! :D

[Sky Masterson]

13. It's not a real good bet.

http://longisland.newsday.com/cosmeticsurgery/procedures/Erectile_Dysfunction.php?keywords=Erectile%20Dysfunction
Erectile dysfunction is very common. Although it tends to be more common in the over 40-year-old age group, it can affect men of all ages. In mid 1992, the results of the world's largest erectile dysfunction study (the Massachusetts Male Aging Study or MMAS) became available.
These results showed that:

* 52% of all men between the ages of 40 and 70 have some degree of erectile dysfunction.
* At least one in ten men cannot get an erection at all (referred to as "complete erectile dysfunction")
* The majority of causes of erectile dysfunction are physical in nature
* There is a strong association between age and ED: 39% of men at the age of 40 and 67% at the age of 70 are affected by either minimal, moderate or complete ED.

I know that it's hip to bash older people who require assistance in helping the ..ahem.. soldier to salute.
But hip isn't funny to the person who goes through this. I have in the past.
Many things can contribute to ED.
And if you think about it. If we expect females to take a pill to stop unplanned pregnancies,then why shouldn't they expect males to take a pill to to stop unwanted limpness?

Thought processes like those presented in this OP do more harm to society than good.
But it's all good for a chuckle :rofl: :eyes:

[LeftyMom]

14. If more than half of men over 40 have it, it's not dysfunction. By definition.

:eyes:

[KitchenWitch]

15. EXACTLY

[Sky Masterson]

16. Fair enough.

Then it is a normal part of aging.
So are many ailments that are contributed to issues of fatigue,health,circulation,and stress.
I just feel it is prudish and sort of dicky for liberals to come down hard on those at any age who use medicines to improve their lives.
I don't require help(saluting)at this time,but there was a time that I did.
Trust me..it sucks.

[alarimer]

68. I don't see any reason not to fix normal parts of aging at all.

If there is a pill that would fix everything wrong with getting older, I would take it. I don't think these pills are any big deal.

[LanternWaste]

100. I read your response and I imagined

Spot on!

I read your response and I imagined the "Pow!" "Bang" "Slam!" visuals from the Batman series from the early seventies...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Lil Missy]

46. I object to comparing a birth control pill to inability to have an erection.

Two completely unrelated issues, dude.

Yeah, I am chuckling. :eyes:

I thought the OP made perfect sense. And certainly did not suggest any harm to society.

Welcome to DU.

[Sky Masterson]

64. I was comparing the act of taking a daily pill for a desired result,

Birth Control or assistance in producing an erection.
We can agree to disagree.
Thank you for the re-welcome.

[Lil Missy]

66. I'm always willing to explore other opinions.

I'll add you to my buddy list in case we can discuss similar issues in the future.

:)

[LynneSin]

94. I'd almost buy into what you have said except one thing

Insurance companis will pay to help me "salute the soldier" but many won't help women buy birth control.

THAT pisses me off

[Left Is Write]

18. Tumescent tallywhacker!

I just choked on a rather large sip of wine...

:rofl:

[Flaxbee]

109. that got me too, Left is Write. I fear I'm going to use that phrase somewhere

inappropriate, it'll just pop out, no pun intended. My brain can't ignore stuff like that.

:D

[RoyGBiv]

19. Well, I'm glad this is so amusing ...

I should just shut up, I know, but apparently I'm driven to embarrassing myself.

I've had ED since I was 29. I'm 39 now, and that part of me is simply gone. Its only purpose is waste disposal. No one seems to know the cause. I've been tested for every physical ailment that can cause it. My blood pressure is a tad bit high, but not overly so, and the meds I take for that I didn't start taking until last year. The last doctor I went to just flat out said I was too young for that problem and essentially accused me of trying to get drugs from him for no good reason.

Commercials? Yeah, they're stupid.

Daily dose of Cialis? Hell, I wouldn't know. I'm too young for it apparently.

But here's a thing. When you're a man and meet a woman with whom you develop a relationship, and when that relationship becomes intimate, and when you then have to tell her you "can't go there" because of some physical problem you don't understand and for which no doctor you've visited seems to know the cause and for which, as a result, you have no solution, it can cause a really big problem. You write as though only men desire sex. Try starting a new relationship with a person who has not previously declared her desire to remain celibate and see how far that idea goes.

If you want to make fun of the commercial, fine. I personally find all these commercials (including douche, lubricant, condoms, etc.) rather dumb, which is more a reflection of our society than the product. But the way you present your "joke" is quite a bit insulting to those who have real problems with this, and it is insulting to women as well, imo.

Sorry ... not trying to be an ass here. I know it's the Lounge, but a nerve got struck.

[Missy Vixen]

20. One of the side effects of Type II diabetes is impotence

There are a lot more men checking out the "little blue pill" than there have been in the past.

While I'm at it, Roy, good for you for speaking up. It takes real courage to talk about this kind of stuff.

[RoyGBiv]

21. Yeah ...

Diabetes runs in my family and has a history of early onset, so I *thought* that was it, but my doctors have told me I'm not diabetic. So, I dunno. I'd say I've grown accustomed to it, but that's a lie. A recent relationship was pretty much destroyed because of it. Long story ...

Anyways, thanks. It's a sore subject. I do hate the commercials in part because they primarily focus on elderly men and make it seem as though this sort of thing is just an "old man chasing after young women" disease, which only serves to perpetuate the false perception that none of this is really important. But, really, does being old mean you just should suck it up and accept it? Should we just accept that the older you are the more likely you are to develop Alzheimer's or cancer or whatever? Rhetorical questions, of course ...

My therapist several years ago spent some time with me on this and wanted my psychiatrist to prescribe some help. At the time I was not in a relationship of any variety, so I thought it was pointless and refused it. This was a mistake.

[Missy Vixen]

23. For those who need the medication, it's a lifesaver

I've often wondered where they get the actors and actresses in Cialis/Levitra/Viagra commercials. Obviously, there have been some celebrities featured, but I'm thinking the vast majority of men would be "Oh, I don't think so..."

>But, really, does being old mean you just should suck it up and accept it?

If we're "old" at 40, I don't think so. Sex is an important part of life for the vast number of adults; while people joke about "boner pills", I'm sure they'd be at the urologist's double-quick to get them if they helped at all.

I have a lot more to say about the subject, but it involves another person that would not be happy to have their personal business written about on a public website. I do believe, though, with the huge rise in Type II diabetes, there's lots and lots of (still fairly young) men who are in the same boat right now.

Roy, I hope that there will be some advance in medical science that helps. Again, I can't tell you how courageous I think you are.

I'd also like to mention that I do not understand the twin tubs in the commercials, either.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

25. If you were diabetic,

you'd take insulin without thinking twice.

So, if you're afflicted with ED, why not take the Cialis? Is there some downside to doing that?

I'd like to think that if I were a man in your position, I'd take the medication. But, at the same time, I can come up with a slew of reasons I wouldn't want to take it.

But, that's what these meds are for. I'm all in favor of drugs, especially if they enhance the quality of someone's life.

In any event, I wish you luck, Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violent..............

:toast:

[RoyGBiv]

27. Now?

My doctor won't prescribe it. He says I'm too young for this problem and that it must be psychological. (My doctor is an asshole, btw, and I'm currently in the process of changing, but with my insurance, this is a complicated process.) And he uses the word "just" when talking about psychological problems.

I didn't take it before because I, somewhat like the OP, thought it was just silly. I wasn't in a relationship where it mattered anyway for a long time after a very hurtful divorce (wife addicted to drugs and ran off with the drug dealer, which pretty much turned me off relationships altogether for a long time). Actually, I thought that because I wasn't in a relationship that it was just "natural" that nothing happened with that part of my anatomy. The days of dreading being called on to go to the board in high school were gone. This is the way I'm supposed to work as an older person.

Men, regardless of how intelligent or informed they are in other areas, typically don't understand a great deal about how their body works, and I'm no exception. I made a study of female sexual response when I was younger and thought that's all I'd ever need to do to be a good lover. Worked for awhile, but in the end, I was very wrong. I failed utterly to understand myself, which is just as important ... I digress.

By the time I was in a relationship and came to the realization that this issue wasn't just psychological, wasn't "unimportant," and wasn't something I could just ignore, I had moved and had started going to a doctor that essentially ridiculed me in much the same way the OP does. A heart problem was discovered, which previous doctors hadn't noticed (that "too young" thing again), and that put the penis thing in the background. My doctor actually said these words to me. "We're not going to think about that now. I'm not going to be held responsible for your heart exploding just 'cause you wanna get laid." At length, the cardiologist downgraded the problem I had and decided it was relatively minor and that it should not interfere with my living a normal life. My general practitioner, however, decided that I was simply too young to have this problem and that my actual motive was to get drugs so I could pretend I was 16 again.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

38. Whoa

It sounds like you've just run into one faulty human being (and I'm being really kind here) after another. I'd be furious all the time if I were in your shoes. Having a wife like that can leave one feeling mighty deflated, and that's not a pun. I'd be devastated, and no wonder things wouldn't work right then.

But the medical people sound like pure assholes, all of them. I hate to sound sexist, but I think maybe a woman doctor would have a bit more compassion. Maybe not - we women never conceded that men have the corner on being dickwads. But you mentioned a therapist, and that has got to be a good place to try to find the psychological origins of that situation, if, in fact, the problem is emotional.

Sure, the OP mocked the commercials. That's easy to do because they're kind of jerky, really. But your problem is hardly laughable, and I'm sorry this is happening to you. I never saw that there was some kind of age limit for prescribing ED drugs. An age limit makes no sense to me, but I'm not a physician, so what do I know?

I just hope you get the right kind of help and find the physician who will hear you.

Good luck.

[RoyGBiv]

40. Thanks ...

I have had an interesting string of "luck" with certain people one could say.

Much of this is my fault for ignoring the problem for so long. It wasn't until a couple years ago, when I met someone, that it really entered my thinking as a problem. By that I mean more than the ED ... the heart problem I didn't know I had, major depressive disorder, generalized anxiety, etc. I was getting help, but in the middle of that I moved to Houston, and that's when it all just went to hell medically. I literally picked my doctor out of a phone book. He's the one that found the heart problem, sorta, and I sorta let myself get "stuck" with him while I was going to a cardiologist get all that sorted out. The heart issue scared the crap out of me, and I wasn't thinking straight.

My primary care doctor is truly an ass, for many reasons I won't go into.

I've done all the paperwork I have to do to change my primary care physician and am just waiting on my new insurance cards to be delivered before I go see my new doctor. The insurance is unnecessarily complicated on this, but I'm dealing with it.

You may be right about a female doctor. My therapist and psychiatrist before I moved were women, and they were great. (For many reasons, I am far more comfortable around women than men anyway.) I was simply too resistant to the pharmacological pathway they had suggested, and my work with them was interrupted by my move. All a mistake.

Anyway ... thanks again.

[jberryhill]

75. There is something seriously wrong - with your doctor!

You sound fine.

Your doctor needs help of some kind.

[RoyGBiv]

80. Yes, there is ...

I'm afraid the help he needs is a brain transplant.

I've found out a lot about him I wish I'd found out before I went to him. He's been in a bit of trouble for things (not strictly medical related that I've found), and his wife is a local (R) politician with a nasty reputation.

The heart problem pretty much turned off my rational brain functioning at the time it was happening, and I didn't run when I should have.

Anyway, he's received his last co-pay from me.

[Redstone]

36. Just like I always preach to people about antidepressants. No shame if you need it.

Redstone

[Lil Missy]

47. I think you meant to spell violet, as opposed to violent.

At least I hope so.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

57. Oh, did I do that?

I type so fast - faster than I talk - and I talk really fast - and sometimes the words just get away from me.

Of course I didn't mean "violent."

Good to know that there are folks out there, keeping an eye on what matters..................

[RoyGBiv]

60. HA!

:spray: :rofl:

I didn't even notice that. :)

Gives a whole new meaning to Somewhere Over the Rainbow ... somewhere over the rainbow there's someone lying in wait to kick some butt. :)

[Tangerine LaBamba]

62. I'm Italian........

Now, Sonny Boy, do you REALLY think it was a typo?

Do ya? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[Lil Missy]

65. I sure hope so.

[bettyellen]

45. the mstake isn't set in stone, Roy. Go back and get the script.

relationship or not...test it out at home. don;t give up like that.

[Redstone]

30. Uh, Roy, I was NOT making fun of ED, just the concept of an "everyday" medicine. If you read

the last sentence of my OP, I did indeed say that men should be appreciative of the fact that there is medication to deal with this problem.

Redstone

[RoyGBiv]

37. Help me out here ...

This is the last sentence of your OP.

"Everyday Cialis...let's see how many divorces THAT causes."

If you're referring to the sentence prior to that one, we have this:

"Enough is just enough, already. Can't it be enough that modern pharmaceutical science has provided you the opportunity to take a pill when the kids are out of the house and you and the Mrs don't have anything else to do, and you can have that "hoop, there it is" moment, right on schedule?"

I don't know how I'm supposed to read that other than as ridicule.

I'll accept that you weren't *trying* to be offensive, but given your suggestion that a daily dose drug might actually cause divorce, I think one can be forgiven for saying that regardless of your intent, your comments could easily be interpreted as offensive.

[Redstone]

42. OK, I'll help you out here: I was JOKING. Does the capitalization help you understand that?

Good Lord, I SAID that those ED medicines were a good thing. Maybe I didn't say it clearly enough in my OP, but I did clarify it in later posts (and in a PM to you).

If that's not enough for you, and you still want to be angry, then be angry. No problem for me if that's your decision.

Redstone

[RoyGBiv]

44. I'm not angry ...

And I know it was a joke.

I simply thought the manner of the joke was careless and wanted to point that out.

Nothing personal.

[Lil Missy]

48. What I got from the OP is that it is not necessary to fuck every single day or all day long.

That was not ridicule. It's just a matter of fact.

I understand your issue here, and I am not discounting that. I like a little bit once in while too.

But I think you are taking this waaaay to personally. I think the OP was saying not every day, and not all the time or all day long.

I'm a female, and not dead sexually. But I would not care to have sex every single day or all day long when my my partner gets a jones.

I think that is all the OP was trying to say.

There is a time and a place, and both have to be in the mood.

[RoyGBiv]

51. I don't want to make this bigger than it is ...

I don't think my comments here have displayed what could be called "anger," certainly not anger at Redstone.

The way the "joke" was presented in the OP was off-putting to a person who deals with this, and I said so. I think we're all allowed that. Certainly people -- yes, even in the Lounge -- have gone off on tirades that have turned into legendary crusades for far less.

I'm not on a crusade.

But I did want to point out that for some, this isn't funny at all, and the "daily dose" issue can be seen as important as well.

I don't particularly want to go off on a whole tangent with this, but since it keeps being mentioned, I'll say something brief.

You say there's a "time and a place," which is true enough as far as it goes. For a person with ED who requires medical assistance to exploit the "time and place" having to plan all that out and make sure you take your meds within the appropriate time frame for all to work as it should, the "daily dose" thing could be quite helpful from a psychological standpoint, if no other. Quite often in relationships, the "time and place" presents itself without much advanced knowledge. A big part of the psychological issues involved with having ED is that you have to plan these things out, which reinforces mentally the fact you don't function properly.

Let's see, I'm on my lunch break, and I have a date tonight, and we might want to be intimate, so I should take my pill now, but then she might not be in the mood, so maybe I shouldn't, but if she is, we night not be able to be alone until much later at night, so I should wait, but then I might not be in the mood because I have that meeting later, and I know my boss is going to be a jerk, so maybe I should just forget the whole thing and not take the pill at all ...

If you take a pill every day that addresses the problem, you don't end up having conversations like that with yourself, and when you're both in the mood, you just do what you want to do.

[Lil Missy]

56. Very well explained, and understood. Thank you, and I am better informed now.

I honestly never understood what you were saying about taking it evey day. But I humbly apologize, I do understand your point.

I just don't think the OP had any malice or ill will in his heart. My take was just that "I can't do this everyday!" And that is all he meant.

I think we all understand that and where we are all coming from now. I can now understand why it became an issue.

Thank you for sharing your point of view. (and educating me)

Lil Missy

[RoyGBiv]

59. Welcome ...

And thank you for listening.

I know that Redstone was addressing the commercials, which I agreed initially are generally stupid. I'd go further and say that many of them reinforce the stigma associated with seeking help at all.

All these commercials for "personal products" are reflections of how poorly we as a society deal with our own, very natural sexuality or anything having to do with "that" part of the body. To talk about it in public, it either has to be an outlandish joke or so overly idealized that it becomes a joke. These commercials that show men sitting around having a beer or singing a song (Vivaaaaaaaaa Viagra) are positively absurd precisely because we have so much trouble even having an honest conversation with close friends about these things. A song? Really!? The PR people call it "mainstreaming," as though the absurdity actually functions to make talking about it socially acceptable, but in general, what they really seem to do is provide the core of the joke and thus the stigma itself.

People have developed this image of those who take ED medication as walking around for hours in a constantly erect state, just looking to pounce. From my understanding, if that's what happens, you've actually got a rather serious problem.

Anyway, I've said my piece and am done now. Thanks again.

[Lil Missy]

61. No, YOU'RE welcome.

Thank you.

:hug:

[jberryhill]

77. " There is a time and a place, and both have to be in the mood."

Think about that statement for a while.

Now, learn how to guess your partner's mood an hour in advance.

The OP really misses the point - people's lives ARE busy.

Do you want to take a pill, wait an hour, and then wake your partner up?

It's not about having sex every day.

[Kali]

67. You just reafirmed my opinion that you are one of DU's best denizens.

I don't think Redstone meant any offense and I know he is really good about learning and accepting the kinds of new concepts that get discussed here.

I really admire what I know of you and have learned a lot (not just computer stuff, either - though that has been significant):toast: You are one of the good guys, RoyGBiv.

[RoyGBiv]

70. Well, thank you ...

I understand now I could have phrased my original reply a little better to get at the heart of what I was saying more clearly. I did try to keep personalities out of it.

I don't think there's any reason we can't talk about this stuff reasonably. I've got enough crap in the real world to bring too much of it here.

Speaking of crap and computer stuff (and going completely off-topic), I got my mid-year evaluation Friday, and get this ... My boss wrote on my eval that I'm lacking computer skills and wants me to take a class to improve them. When I read that I didn't know whether to faint or ... well, do something I'd be better off not articulating.

She gets this, apparently and according to my more immediate supervisor who is so fed up with this kind of nonsense she's about to quit, from (well, her being crazy mostly) the fact the one and only server that is used for this information display system has been dead for a month, meaning we can't log-in to update the display. She's annoyed at this and has such little computer knowledge herself, she thinks I'm simply incompetent for not being able to fix it ... even though the actual machine that is dead is in a server room about 20 miles from the building where I work and is not in my job description to fix in the first place. (It's dead because it's just plain dead, poof, no more, burned up CPU from the CPU fan going out and the machine not being properly ventilated or monitored properly by IT ... and no money has been allocated to replace it yet.)

I refused to sign it, which really pissed her off, but not as much as my suggestion that I'd be glad to take the class ... right after she did.

Gonna have to talk to HR in the morning about this insanity, a prospect I don't look forward to.

[Kali]

72. I totally understand about working for somebody that doesn't have the knowlege

of what you do to actually "evaluate" it. Add in working for a relative! Ugh. Hope it works out. I am sure many do appreciate what you do for them, if not the "boss".

Hey, what ever happened with the crazy dog lady?

[RoyGBiv]

74. Oh, now that's a story ...

Suffice to say it's still not resolved.

I didn't see her or the dog for two weeks. Actually, I still haven't seen her. When I did see the dog, a guy was walking it. I assume he is either her boyfriend or husband or something along those lines.

My mom was visiting for a week, and I took off a day while she was here. We were messing with my computer during the day, and I *heard* the dog approach the window about the same time Franky (my cat) bristled and flew to it to intercept. As usual, the beast attacked the window.

I waited for the dog to pass and went out the front door, me going one direction, my mom following and going the other. I spotted a guy walking the dog going around the corner, signaled to my mother on the other side of the parking lot, and she followed them until the guy and the dog stopped at one of the little grass areas for the dog to do its business, which is near the pool. Mom sauntered up and casually struck up polite conversation. She got enough out of him to figure out he was the owner, and with a bit more spying saw his apartment number.

So, I passed that on to the animal control people, and we'll see what happens.

[Kali]

79. Ha! Mom is a private investigator?

Good one.:rofl:

[Odin2005]

78. Do you take any anti-depressants?

I saw in some of your posts down thread that you had issues with Depression. SSRIs can cause ED.

[RoyGBiv]

81. Not at the moment ...

But I was when my therapist and psychiatrist were talking to me about it, and that's one reason they were suggesting ED medication.

This actually first started during a major depressive episode that happened right after my wife disappeared, for which I was prescribed Effexor. The ED started before the meds ... it's hard to describe what the meds did to it without getting really, really technical. Suffice to say it was "worse" in some ways, better in others. Its nature changed, I guess. Anyway, after being weened off the Effexor, function never came back to what it had been before, and it's progressively gotten worse with intermittent periods of seeming normalcy, which are spaced further and further apart as time goes on.

I've also had two major depressive episodes since then, one of which resulted in hospitalization, which led to the therapy, etc. I was taken off a different anti-depressant med when the heart issue was being evaluated, and I haven't been put back on one, but need to. My cardiologist said so. My primary care doc disagreed ... it's a convoluted story.

Anyway, I know the depression is a major part of it.

I just have to find a decent doctor to help me with all of it.

[Phillycat]

90. Good for you for speaking up.

I bet there are a lot of men reading your post who wouldn't DARE to agree lest they tarnish their image as "real men" :eyes: , but there are a lot more guys who have this problem than are willing to admit it.

Good luck to you.

[Missy Vixen]

24. It may not cause as many as you might think

I read the other day that 1/4 of marriages are now made up of women whose sex drives far outstrip their husband's.

Interesting, huh?

[leeroysphitz]

26. The weight of love...

I'm 38. I make love to my wife nearly every night (whether I want to or not! LOL. :P ). We both desire the closeness it brings us.
Neither of us feel normal or complete without it.

So I guess, according to you, we we'll be no better than 13 year old assholes in 8 or 12 years if biology decides to play any tricks on us.

Thank god we know where Redstone stands on the ins and outs of our sex life...

[RoyGBiv]

28. Thank you for saying that ...

One of the biggest issues people with this problem face is the bizarre notion that the desire to have sex is not "normal."

On the surface, in our culture, that seems odd, but it's not really. Our culture still suffers from its puritanical roots.

Anyway ... again, thank you.

[krispos42]

29. If you take 1 word out of your subject line, you'll have the concept down solid

:hide:

[Pierre.Suave]

39. yeah but we all know that wont be happening...

not that we wanted to, but he told us anyway...

[BlueIris]

31. Redstone, I love you.

But you already knew that.

[Redstone]

32. I love you too, BI. But you already knew that as well.

Some day.

Redstone

[Redstone]

33. May I post a clarification? I was NOT slamming the idea of ED mediciations, not at all:

For people who need them, I do know that they can be a Godsend.

It's just the concept of an "everyday use" version that strikes me as a crassly commercial pitch, that's all.

Redstone

[Sky Masterson]

34. They are a godsend

And the commercials ARE goofy as stated in a few post above.
I am glad you brought up this subject actually.
This may help other men who are going through problems such as this to do something about it.
Like see a doctor for one thing.
So I will say to those who read this that may go through periods of ED,that you are not alone.
There is nothing to be ashamed about if you have this problem.
It is more common than many people may think.
And My hat is off to the gentlemen here in this thread for telling their stories.:applause:

[Redstone]

35. Yes, "quality of life" is not an inconsequential issue. For if one cannot enjoy life

in as many aspects of it as possible, is it then worth living?

Redstone

[Lil Missy]

49. No clarification needed. I understood the OP, and you did not imply any such slam.

Your OP made perfect sense.

[bmbmd]

52. The price break comes at eight per month.

If one has eight or more "interludes" per month, it is cheaper (abouy eighty bucks) to take the three or five milligram Cialis pill. Sponteneity is preserved, side effects are lessened, order is restored to the universe. Incidentally, ten ejaculates/month seems to be the magic number to prevent prostatitis and prostate cancer. When the time comes, to paraphrase Joshua "As for me and my house-I will take the pill".

[jberryhill]

84. ...then you are not familiar with the problem

The issue with other medications on the market is the time delay between taking the pill and the effect of the pill.

I really don't know too many people who say things like "Honey, do you think we'll have sex an hour or two from now?"

[Turbineguy]

41. It's a great idea

now, as a 58 year old teacher, I can walk from class to class with my books held in front of me, just like when I was in high school.

[Redstone]

43. Oh, that's funny! Which guys among us don't remember being terrified of being called

on by the teacher to stand up and speak, when we had that lump thing going on in the nether regions?

Redstone

[Heidi]

50. They lost me at "everyday use."

Mother's little helper is one thing, but "everyday use" is quite another.

[jberryhill]

86. Last time... then I'll quit....

It's not about having sex every day.

Regular ED drugs require the user to predict whether their partner is going to be in the mood - or asleep - an hour in advance.

The point of the low dose drug is to avoid having to guess correctly ahead of time.

Do people think that ED drugs work instantly?

They don't. ED drugs provide a time window. Too early, or too late, and the user is out of luck.

That time window means zero spontaneity. Most people don't plan their sex lives with military precision.

[rucky]

54. I'm going to write "Cooking With Cialis" and make millions!

:evilgrin:

[Lil Missy]

58. ****See post #51*****

Before you take anymore jibes.

He makes a very good point.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

63. the commercials make me giggle. glad cialis and viagra are around for those who need em

but the commercials are ridiculous as is the everyday version

[Captain Hilts]

71. Oh, it's the fault of the "wife in the same age bracket." Good grief. nt

[Redstone]

101. I never implied any such thing. And you know it.

Redstone

[smalll]

73. Not religious here, but every now and then, the Bible makes some sense: Ecclesiastes, 3:1 --

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven."

(Meaning, when you're an old dude, you're not exactly SUPPOSED to be able to fuck on demand. Remember when old people were supposed to have (gasp!) wisdom? Less of a dick drive was part of that, IMHO.)

[Missy Vixen]

82. So, forty's now old?

Go ahead. I can't wait to read the response to this.

[Inchworm]

83. I have to chime in on your monicker

yery apropos for the thread, says Inchworm :)

:silly:

[RoyGBiv]

87. That's precious ...

I propose a new song to be recorded and published by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir

Tadalafil - turn, turn, turn
Vardenafil - turn, turn, turn
Sildenafil, for the others, to take daily.

Tadalafil, my pants are now tight
Vardenafil, you are so nice
Sildenafil, I'll take you each day
Or take all three and pray it goes away.

And so on and so forth ...

Don't be quoting the Bible at me to tell me it is wise just to let my body stop working.

[ismnotwasm]

76. "Tumescent"

What a word. I'm still laughing.

As long as the gentlemen in question understand it's takes a bit more than a tumescent tallywacker to make most excellent love, AND their entire quotient of testosterone burnin' malehood isn't all stuffed in the blood gorged little darlin' AND the ladies are clear about their needs or lack thereof, maybe we can make it though these interesting times.

[MrSlayer]

85. I think it's brilliant.

Cialis is one of the greatest things ever invented.

[Hissyspit]

88. Um, people, I believe it is also supposed to help with hypertension. This is part of the reason

for daily use prescription.

Now the use of these type drugs for high-blood pressure is one open to much debate, but, and this is just my understanding, cialis is not viagra and does not work like viagra. It has fewer side effects (no headaches?) and supposedly helps control hypertension, in addition to erection assistance, thus the low daily-dose recommendation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cialis

[ismnotwasm]

93. Actually, I see it on rare occasions for pulmonary edema

For people who can't tolerate the standard medication. As a general rule, these unfortunate gentlemen (I haven't seen it used for a female, but the principle is the same) are too ill to even think about erections.

[Redstone]

98. Actually, I think that Viagra was originally developed as a blood-pressure medicine as well.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Redstone

[FloridaJudy]

89. I think a one hour delay might be a *good* thing

There's not enough sixty-minute-men out there. Give us women folk a little time to get in the mood. I see Redstone's point: few of us are randy and ready the moment we walk through the door. We're far more interested in using the bathroom and getting the groceries put away before they go rancid.

But a little later....ah!

Not all foreplay takes place in the bedroom. Many men still don't get this.

[LeftyMom]

91. Built-in foreplay time would not be the world's worst thing.

But I can see how it would be a problem when people would rather get right down to business.

[FloridaJudy]

103. There's got to be a few good things about getting older

And no longer having to put up with "Slam. Blam. Thank you, Ma'am" is one of them. Save the quick service for the drive through - slow food and slow sex have their own advantages.

[woo me with science]

97. I hope my husband never thinks like that about sex!

This would provide a fantastic benefit, that a man can be ready anytime. :)

[KansDem]

99. I'm afraid it would be a lot like filling the tank of a sports car...

...but not having a road to drive it on. :(

[kwassa]

102. Cialis is wonderful.

I find this entire thread interesting for how uncomfortable it makes people on the subject of impotence. I also find the condescension toward those that take them, by some noters here, also very interesting.

I've used both Viagra and Cialis. I've had off-an-on problems with impotence from my late '20s, and it had gotten worse with age. I am now in my mid-50s. I can take Cialis once a week and have no problems whatsover. Both Viagra and Cialis worked much longer for me than they were supposed to, but my wife and I both have very busy lives, and trying to plan ahead for sex, while sometimes necessary, stinks. It is much better to be spontaneous, of course. The effect on my marriage is extremely positive for us, as she missed sex as much as I.

Cialis does not make you hornier, or give one a permanent erection. It just makes all that possible, with no detectable side effects.

I'll bet there are a lot of people reading these threads that are taking these drugs and saying nothing, too. This is a condition far more widespread in society than many are willing to admit publicly. Just look at the sales of all these ED drugs.

[Missy Vixen]

104. kwassa, another courageous person

>This is a condition far more widespread in society than many are willing to admit publicly.

Absolutely.

I'm glad to hear that Cialis worked for you and your wife. Here's to many more happy years!

[Redstone]

105. Uh, if you've noticed, I did not say there was anything wrong with ED drugs. I believe that any

medication that improves any aspect of people's enjoyment of life is a good thing.

No false "macho" here, not from me, as you should know since you know me, I think.

I even do happen to have a few "blueys" in the house. Don't need them all the time (and again, I'm NOT saying that makes me "more of a man" than any other guy is), but if nothing else, they provide a wonderful predictability to certain occasions like my weekly lunch date with Mrs R, if that lunch date and dessert-at-home happens to fall on a day when I'm tired or have a lot of pain.

So no, I'm not belittling anyone. Just trying to be funny...and I still think that the phrase "tumescent tallywhacker" is pretty damn hilarious (Mrs R thought it was a scream, too), and I won't apologize for it.

Redstone

[retread]

106. So when you say daily Cialis will result in

men who ".. march into the bedroom, proudly waving your tumescent tallywhacker like a proud, hormone-soaked thirteen-year-old, and expecting the wife to stop what she's doing (like planning dinner, or just relaxing) to deal with your "problem?",
you aren't belittling anyone? You're just being funny??

[Redstone]

110. Yes, just being funny...a concept which seems to escape your comprehension.

Redstone

[kwassa]

108. no, I have no beef with anything you have said.

I just found the flow of conversation in this thread interesting.

just keep your tallywhacker to yourself!

[Redstone]

111. Ha! Don't worry, Mr Tallywhacker stays with me and Mrs R. And yes, an interesting thread

it's been, hasn't it?

Redstone

[SPKrazy]

107. Some people like sex more than others

and if they have ED as they call it, then now they have a solution to their dilemma.

If it causes divorces, then there was a problem there anyway I'd think.