Should the Yankees forfeit the Championships they won with Rodriguez?

[taterguy]

I don't think it's fair they get rewarded for having a cheater on their team.

What do you think?

[JVS]

1. Mass executions are needed.

Only by the blood of the guilty can Major League Baseball be cleansed.

[taterguy]

3. That doesn't answer my question in any way shape or form

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

16. Yes, they should forfeit every championship they won with A-Rod

:rofl:

[Phillycat]

2. They should forfeit all their championships on general principle.

[taterguy]

4. Some of their Reggie Jackson era teams were cool

The ones where everybody hated each other.

[Blue_Tires]

5. piss take?

the yanks have not won the WS since 2000...

unless you're talking about division titles and pennants...

[madinmaryland]

6. No world series titles with A-rod to forfeit.

[taterguy]

7. Don't you have anything better to do than memorize when the Yankees won World Series titles?

Get a life

[madinmaryland]

9. STFU, Barry Bonds!!

:hi:

[taterguy]

10. I will not be silenced

And my name isn't Barry Bonds

[Are_grits_groceries]

8. Why??

He didn't do anything but choke in the different series.
He needed a psychologist not steroids.

[TZ]

11. "He needed a psychologist not steroids."

Now thats the truth! :rofl:

[Dr. Strange]

53. But it's not fair to those who had to rely on their natural talent to choke.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

12. Yeah, and the ones they had with Mike Mussina as well.

:D

[SoxFan]

13. The Curse of the Ringless Wonder!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[taterguy]

14. Good thing all the greats from your favorite team have rings

:eyes:

[SoxFan]

33. Those guys weren't given the biggest contract in baseball history

They weren't brought in as mercenaries to serve as the cornerstone of the "classy" Yankees franchise.

They weren't fellated by ESPN on a nightly basis, either.

[taterguy]

38. Maybe all that fellatio messed up their concentration

[EastTennesseeDem]

15. Then also forfeit those with Pettitte. And Clemens. And Giambi.

They're building quite an impressive resume.

I sure wish I had more room to talk (McGwire, Ankiel).

[taterguy]

17. The Cards didn't win a title during the 'Roids era

By losing they maintained their purity

[MrCoffee]

20. Hey! Don't forget Pujols!

:hide:

[EastTennesseeDem]

24. I unleash all the e-fury in the world unto you!

Really though, I don't think Pujols has done anything.

[MrCoffee]

25. Yes he did...he's guilty as hell...

He broke our closer!

Well, then Lidge got traded and sort of kicked all the ass in the WS last year, but still...


A pox on Albert Poo-holes!

[EastTennesseeDem]

26. I don't know what you're talking about

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w_id=455632&w=2005/open/topplays/archive10/05nlcs_gm5_slnhou_pujols_3runhr_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2005/10/17/slnmlb-houmlb-1&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp350&v=2

[MrCoffee]

27. You know who else likes Albert Pujols?

This guy

[EastTennesseeDem]

28. Cardinal nation has disowned that guy

Hell, I've never even met him.

Did you like the video?

[MrCoffee]

29. I was at the Dome for Game 6 of the 1986 NLCS

You want to talk about real pain?

[EastTennesseeDem]

30. Which, since the pre-2004 Red Sox were waiting

means you were an inning away from a World Championship.

Sorry, but the 1985 Denkinger series is pain. Thank God I wasn't yet born.

[MrPerson]

18. They should have to forfeit the one they won in 1960 too.

[taterguy]

19. Why?

[begin_within]

21. Weren't the opposing teams also on steroids?

[taterguy]

22. A team can't take steroids. Individual players can

Unless they just added it to the team water cooler or something.

Truthfully I'm not exactly sure how those drugs work

[begin_within]

23. Oh silly me. I thought it was mandatory for all players before each game.

[kwassa]

36. Didn't you know Gatorade is full of steroids?

Makes them strong as alligators, or so I'm told.

[brentspeak]

31. All MLB statistics 1994-present should be expunged

No way to trust anything from the Juiced Era of MLB.

[NewJeffCT]

34. Or at least astericked

with a big "TAINTED" in the descriptor of the asterick.

[taterguy]

37. So should the stats pre-Jackie Robinson

So I guess the only valid stats are 1947 or so to 1994

[brentspeak]

39. Why would the stats pre-Jackie Robinson be wiped out?

????

????

[taterguy]

40. Because the best players weren't on the field

Haven't you heard Chris Rock's line about Babe Ruth's 714 Affirmative-action home runs?

[brentspeak]

42. Er, no

[taterguy]

44. Satchel Paige begs to differ

[brentspeak]

49. Satchel Paige was inducted into the MLB HOF

The HOF-worthy players of the Negro League have not been ignored.

[taterguy]

54. I never claimed they were ignored,

But players in the first half of the 20th Century didn't have to play against them so their records deserve a big fat Asterisk.

And yes, I think John Wooden's record for NCAA Basketball titles is suspect. He would have won at least three less if Earl Monroe had gone to UNC instead of Winston-Salem State.

There are other examples. He might have gotten a couple just because of Walton and Kareem but there's no way he would have won 10.

[brentspeak]

55. Well then shouldn't the Negro League HOFers have a "big fat asterisk"

next to their stats, given that they didn't have to play against Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Honus Wagner, Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Pie Traynor, etc.?

[Bucky]

58. You DO understand that half of eligible players are still banned by discrimination.

Until MLB ceases its blatant prejudice and starts admitting women players, all performance stats in MLB should have astrixes on them.

Goddammmit!

 

[Oeditpus Rex]

51. There were also no players from the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Venezuela

or Japan and Korea, for that matter.



Shit, how do we know there wasn't some fourth-dimensional dude on Tralfamadore who woulda hit .463? :shrug:

[MrPerson]

32. Breaking: The Beatles were on steroids.

[SoxFan]

35. I hope A-Roid has a loooong career in New York!

2000 Seattle Mariners: 91-71
2001 Seattle Mariners: 116-46

2003 Texas Rangers: 71-91
2004 Texas Rangers: 89-73

New York Yankees, 1999-2003: 2 World Series titles, 4 AL Pennants
New York Yankees, 2004-2008: 0 World Series titles, 0 AL Pennants

[MissMillie]

45. it's a whole new curse and I love it

:thumbsup:

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

41. Babe Ruth used cocaine and drank gin

should they lose those too?

who gives a shit what players of a game do?

[brentspeak]

43. Where's your source that Ruth took cocaine?

[SoxFan]

46. We all know how booze and blow makes you sharp and athletic

Hell, the fact that Babe and Boomer thrived under the influence makes me wonder what they could have done if they had taken care of themselves.

[Bucky]

56. Performance impeding drugs

Still held the home run record for two generations. Can you imagine Babe Ruth benefiting from modern diet & exercise routines? He'd clear 800 career home runs easily.

[tigereye]

47. wouldn't you have to exempt any teams with same issue, then?

I don't know why anyone is shocked or surprised, though. I think the ranks are full of steroid users... unfortunately.

[taterguy]

48. Just the Yankees

For firing Billy Martin

[crimsonblue]

50. it's a good thing they haven't won any.

Well, it's a good thing for more than the fact that they had a lot of steroid using players.

[Oeditpus Rex]

52. No

There's no reasonable method of determining the effect of A-Roid's juice on the Yankees' record.

[Bucky]

57. Look at all the shit you've started. I hope you're proud of yourself

If you'd only used the word Lieberman in your post, I'd think this thread belonged in GD