About the chimp attack

[JVS]

Isn't this whole going berserk thing the exact reason why people aren't supposed to keep chimps as pets? I've heard that they inevitably turn on people

[nadine_mn]

1. As Cheney found out when Bush refused to pardon Libby

yep Dick realized eventually even his Chimp would turn on him...

[Drunken Irishman]

2. But they're cute, dammit!

[Syrinx]

6. as babies

Fully grown, the "guys" are pretty intimidating.

Was Bubbles Jackson a eunuch?

[Lost in CT]

12. They are not that cute (even as babies) nt

[Shell Beau]

15. Oh I beg to differ! They are precious!

[MrSlayer]

3. Well yeah. The tiger will eventually try to eat you. The 20 foot snake will too.

You can't keep animals like this as pets or treat them like humans because they are not humans. Any animal you keep, no matter how docile, may at some time freak out and fuck you up. It's just the way it is.

[Tom Kitten]

4. I thought this was well known

the chimp attack in 2005 at the Animal Haven Ranch in California where two adult chimps attacked a couple, the man lost his nose, his fingers,his testicles,an eye,a foot...Adult chimps are super strong compared to humans.

[Jeep789]

5. I Don't See That Animals Are Any Different Than People

in regards to going berserk. And berserk people can be much more dangerous as we have all witnessed with the Cheney/Bush administration.

[datasuspect]

10. this is the danger with anthropomorphizing animals.

animals are NOT human. they cannot reason. they are inherently unpredictable. i don't care how long they behave well, at some point they do turn. that is why we must eat them all.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

13. And, because of that kind of thinking, idiots get these pets and those pets kill/hurt people

Animals are not people, and a chimp going crazy is way more dangerous than an unarmed human going nuts. I would even say an armed human, as well, because there are ways of disarming somebody. Chimps? Not so much.

[Schema Thing]

14. you said "disarming"

:evilgrin:

[rcrush]

7. I learned that from the Planet of the Apes movies.

They eventually turn on mankind. This is just the beginning.

[JVS]

8. Beware the beast ape, for he alone freaks out and rips off faces

[datasuspect]

9. tell me about it

next they'll be talking and beating us with weapons rather than ripping out our eyes, faces, and lower jaws.

this IS ominous and it was foretold in the early 70s. lots of forward thinkers then, i tell ya.

[buzzycrumbhunger]

11. It's not just their nature. . .

They were force-feeding the poor thing anti-anxiety meds. What are the very possible side effects of antidepressants and anxiolytics? 1. Suicidal behavior. 2. Homicidal behavior. Just ask every kid who's gone apeshit and shot up his school; I don't recall an episode that didn't involve them in recent years.

Bad enough people think it's okay to drug your kids into submission, but now animals? That just seems like an invitation to bad mojo.

Speaking of which, years ago someone gave my aunt a monkey and it really did delight in throwing feces. Even before bad pharmaceuticals, monkeys were a stupid idea for pets.

[Shell Beau]

16. It is a shame. You never know when something will set off a wild animal.

[Bryn]

17. I watched a program on TV about small monkeys being kept as "children"

that eventually turned on their "Mom". There was a young lady that had a small baby male monkey whom she called "Andy". She treated him like her child/son. 7 years later, he turned on her causing bloody mess in the room. She turned him over to Monkey Sanctuary. Then one week later she came back to see him. He saw her, then ignored her completely after this, happily playing with other monkeys. Unlike dogs..cats!

One of my cats named Bryn escaped from her carrier during the move from Homestead/Florida City, FL to Arkansas. We couldn't catch her so we had to leave without her, but as soon as I arrived in Arkansas I got in touch with neighbors and the Cat Network. They weren't able to trap her. Bryn would not get in a trap. She was left there alone for 46 days outside (she is an inside cat) when I finally came back with my hearing/signal dog named Shane. We were back to my house that was on market for sale. Calling for her, but couldn't find her so I had Shane to bark. She barked and barked. Then a few minutes later, there Bryn was! Bryn was so excited to see me and Shane that she meowed, meowed turning around and around. I got her in my arms. Then she jumped down and rubbed her face against Shane. She lost half of her weight. That was 2 years ago.

She is still here. Even cats remember you and get excited to be back with you.

Something about apes and monkeys. They do not want to be "humanized". Beast comes out of them eventually.

[hunter]

18. Humans tend to get quite upset too if you try to "humanize" them.

It's a matter of free will for both chimpanzees and humans. A chimpanzee forced into a human environment is restricted from doing the ordinary things a chimp wants to do. It can't be allowed to wander around the neighborhood like a human of a similar age, climbing trees, looking for food, and establishing a solid and secure place in the neighborhood social hierarchy.

This guy was being kept prisoner, and he did the same thing a lot of humans would do in a similar situation. He exploded in a rage.

Dogs and cats have been domesticated which means for the most part this sort of rage has been bred out of them. Nevertheless I've met some feral cats that I wouldn't dare go near. They will try to rip off your face if you confine them. Dog / coyote / wolf hybrids can be just plain scary. Even some of the less domestic dogs will test you every day. If they decide there is something unfair about their relationship with humans they will become violent.

Parrots can be terrible pets too. Our African Gray has manuvered her way to the top of the pet hierarchy in our household, and when she's not getting her way she's impossibly noisy and destructive. When she's quiet I sometimes imagine she's thinking how she might wedge herself into the human hierarchy of our household. She catches on immediately if someone is intimidated by her, and trys to use that to her advantage.

Wild animals, humans, and even some domestic animals can become violent when they are deprived of an appropriate social network and opportunities to express their basic natures and free will.

[PassingFair]

21. Did you see the "interview" with the owner? She SLEPT with the chimp!

He was all she had after her husband and child died.

Weird!

[undeterred]

19. You can handle them when they are very young

without getting hurt. But after a certain age they are not as adaptable, and its a dangerous, wildv animal. At zoos they get used to their keepers, but even those people set limits and take plenty of precautions. Having one in the home and having people over is just asking for trouble.

I feel sorry for the owner of the chimp. I'm sure she was deeply attached to him and this must be just awful for her. But who would think a 70 year old woman could handle a 200 lb chimp?

[KurtNYC]

20. They start out cute and then pretty soon they talk smack behind your back

steal your credit cards and party with their monkey friends when you are out of town.