Pious Mel Wants Frank Rich's "guts on a stick"

[boobooday]

For dissing the Passion of Christ. That's pretty damn Christian of him, ain't it?

Didn't Jesus say something like that in Luke?

"Bring me thine guts on a stick . . ."

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[Malva Zebrina]

1. see that is the big problem

suddenly Mel becomes the arbitrator of the faith. He actually, in real life, is a Hollywood producer/ director using his imagination and skills to make this movie which he hopes would make him some money and probably will make him more than he imagined.

He is not really studied or qualified to be a minister or a theologian at all. He is not sanctified by any religion to be an honorary minister, well versed in all the nuance of the bible.

He is simply an actor turned producer and director and is capitalizing upon the current popular notion in the country that violence, portrayed visually, is a money maker.

But he has made a movie that a whole lot of gullable Americans will believe is the truth and the actual teachings of the bible and who will actually believe that Mel is a gifted minister of theology and well qualified to teach them the nuance of their religion

[arwalden]

9. Kinda Like Robert Tilton, Eh?

[belle]

2. I never understood that. I mean, wouldn't the guts just slither off?

Maybe you have to, like, tie them in a bow or something. Must be an Opus Dei thing. I'm just your basic secular liberal humanist Jew; we just usually stick to Sabrett's, on a bun. No schmear.

[rfkrocks]

5. I'm Irish from New York now PA

Man I prefer Nathan's - Sabretts are good but that first Nathan's dog at Coney Island with my dad-that was Heaven. Bagels and Hot Dogs man you guys are the chosen people-but you gotta like Irish Beer-oh yeah and that Gibson guy-he's a MORON!!!

[I AM SPARTACUS]

22. LOL...it must be one of them "down-under" delicacies...but

...it doesn't sound as tasty as "shrimp on the barbie"...

[Deja Q]

3. Mel is a heathen

He's a second rate thug, thinking he's a saint. He's slammed Jews, and I'm fairly certain he's worshipping a false idol too.

[Az]

27. Speaking as a heathen

Stop that! He is not one of ours.

[Maccagirl]

4. Mr. Gibson has lost it.

n/t

[Gman]

6. Good song on the website!

[Tennessee_tarheel]

7. Nope

Rich had been going after Mel's dad for over a year and really slimming him and Mel as a proxy for attacking the movie he hadn't seen (maybe the dad is wacked but he's using that to attack Mel - cheap). If you just read Rich's peice today then you'd get the wrong impression. That reference was toward rich for harranging and harrassign his dad a year ago. Mel also apologized and it was a tounge in cheek remark - not literal. Rich is, quite simply, unhinged about this movie and determined to carry out his therapy in public, and this vendetta is beneath him.

[joeybee12]

13. Let's see, you're defenind a homphobic, coke-snorting, womanizing

ant-Semitic twat who said the Holocaust didn't happen? Fine, I have a vendetta against scum like that also!

[Tennessee_tarheel]

21. you know him better than I do

Evidently. I am not aware of the various crimes he has committed and moral transgressions. Got some police paperwork to back all that up?

I know Mel has admitted to many sins in the past and how lost & depressed he was, including drug use etc.

Do you have a vendetta against ALL people with these same behaviors? (e.g. womanizing, anti-semetism, drug use, homophobia) ?

[belle]

14. Oh, well, then, as long as it wasn't a literal threat. Whew!

Uh, yeah, I mean, one would hope so. One would assume so, even though Mel's oeuvre might give one pause: the man's mind does seem to lean just a *tad* toward the, you know, violent imagery. It's still plenty hostile, hello. And "I was only kidding!" is the refuge of lame-o bullies everywhere. Gibson doesn't have a humorous bone in his body. He is a strange man with some *very* strange fixations. Strange, angry, sad little man.

[UTUSN]

17. So, Whatever Saint Mel Sez Is Tongue-in-cheek, But Whatever Frank

sez is "cheap". Frank RICH is NOT somebody who is "unhinged" about whatever. And "tongue" is spelled "tongue", not "tounge". Just my secular Liberal condescension going on here.

[napsi]

8. Rich is an asshole

He went after Gibsons' father. If you want to come after me....fine....but don't come after my family. People like Rich go after whomever they can get....regardless of the consequences.

[soleft]

10. We should all go after Gibson's father

Frank Rich rocks!

[ikojo]

11. Mel Gibson's daddy used his son's movie

(and fame) as a stepping stone to getting interviewed on radio stations. Once he allowed himself to be interviewed then he in essence became a public personality and open to all the criticism his expressed views generate.

Hutton Gibson is a whack job and deserves to be repudiated, not because he is Mel's daddy but because he espouses antisemitic views.

[napsi]

16. My father was

a frigging drooler. I disagreed with him on just about everything. If you have a problem with me, why would you go after my father?
Hutton Gibson is nuts. Mr. Rich pulled a GOP move by going after a "family member" rather than stcking to Mel.

Just my opinion.....

[belle]

12. Oh, please.

Gibson's father is a far-right zealot who thinks the Holocaust didn't happen, or, no, excuse me, was greatly exaggerated. He deserves "going after," if by "going after" you mean "criticism." And if Gibson doesn't agree with his Daddy's views, he should say so. Adults can do that, you know, disagree with their parents. And if he does agree--well, then, I can't blame Rich for conflating the two in his "going after."

Personally, I think Gibson is working through some classic misplaced anger at dear ol' Dad. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd beaten the crap out of young Mel. But Daddy looooves him, so can't get mad at Dad, no; it's those pesky Jews. And it wasn't Mel getting beaten up without anyone coming to save him; it was Our Lord Jesus. Have your cake and eat it too; work out your Issues and still don't risk losing Daddy's approval. Classic, I say. Alice Miller would have a field day.

[regnaD kciN]

25. To back up your theory...

...I remember an old interview with Gibson where he says that his father was dead-set against him taking up an acting career, because "all actors are faggots" or words to that effect. It might go a long way toward explaining Mel's homophobia, too.

[scottcsmith]

15. I disagree

Prior to the release of "The Passion," we've heard a lot from Mel Gibson regarding his faith, which he attributes to his father. Mel Gibson made a movie that is anti-Semitic. And wouldn't you know? Right before the movie comes out, Hutton Gibson, Gibson's father, stated that the holocaust was fiction. Of the holocaust, "it's all...maybe not all fiction...but most of it is," he said in an interview.

And what is Mel Gibson's reaction? Does he take the opportunity to distance himself from his father's anti-Semitism? No, he doesn't. In fact, Hutton Gibson can be described as a rabid anti-Semite, someone who is convinced Jews are engaged in sinister conspiracies to rule the world. Hutton Gibson rejects the reforms of the Second Vatican Council because he believes that, in part, the Jews conspired with the Vatican to "liberalize" Catholicism. Compare that with Arnold Schwarzenegger. When he learned that his father had been involved in the Nazi party, Schwarzenegger contacted the Simon Wiesenthal Center and had them research his father, to see if his father had committed any atrocities against Jews.

Would it be so difficult for Mel Gibson to issue some sort of statement? He can still love and support his father while, at the same time, letting people know he doesn't share his father's views. His refusal to do so only reaffirms in my mind the old saying, "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

[Tennessee_tarheel]

20. again - Rich is an ... well you know

oh please.

the movie is NOT anti semitic. What is, exactly, in this movie anti semitic?

Where in this movie is there a call or charge that "Jews" killed Christ & we should start a pogrom?

Rich is mad at Mel for political reasons & uses a cheap shot whenever he can. he is a lazy journalist and can do better than this.

I am not familiar with all the rantings of Mel's (evidently whacked) dad but what does that have to do with the movie?

Rich has condemned a movie he didn't see, the man's father as proxy, the $$ Mel made when in fact Mel couldn't line up a deal because of the movie's subject & HAD to finance this himself. Rich is simply ape shit over this - and is off the deep end.

[regnaD kciN]

24. Not quite correct...

In fact, Hutton Gibson can be described as a rabid anti-Semite, someone who is convinced Jews are engaged in sinister conspiracies to rule the world.

Mel's dad is convinced Freemasons are engaged in sinister conspiracies to rule the world. He only thinks Jews are financing the sinister Freemason conspiracies to rule the world. Big difference there, don't you agree?

:crazy:

[UTUSN]

18. Saint Mel Is an Asshole

who is counting his $300 mil. What's he giving YOU? I'm not going after Hutton GIBSON, I'm withholding $7.50 from Saint Mel's $300 million and spending it on Liberal products. Hurt? Didn't think so.

[kodi]

19. takes one to know one. & rich pointed out gibson's insane remarks

you know very little about frank rich from your remarks and obviously are misinforned about the reasons rich commented on the elder gibson's dismissal of the historical records of the holocaust.

[regnaD kciN]

23. Mel's insane, but...

...it should be noted that the incident that set him off had nothing to do with a review of The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre, but rather an interview Rich did with Gibson's father, in which he gave the latter just enough rope to hang himself.

I don't know if Mel agrees with his father's particular brand of lunacy, but he clearly feels that his father is a private, non-celebrity individual who didn't need to be dragged out into the spotlight.

Anyway, it wasn't exactly the most effective way for Mel to lay a claim to a special understanding of Jesus...

:eyes:

[Bridget Burke]

26. Here's dear old dad....

He lives in Houston now. And he's not exactly trying to stay a "private person".

"The pope isn't Catholic. John Paul II, the man most people believe to be pope, is really an imposter. He's deliberately plotting to destroy the Catholic Church from within. Catholics have been lied to, and they have been robbed. These are the messages Hutton Gibson preaches in his crusade to save the souls of his fellow Catholics.

"From his home in northwest Houston, he mails out his eight-page newsletter titled 'The War Is Now!' He has 600 subscribers worldwide. He's also authored the self-published books Is the Pope Catholic? and The Enemy Is Here, which features a cover with a map of Italy and an arrow pointing to Rome."

http://houstonpress.com/issues/2003-07-24/news.html/1/index.html