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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:33 PM
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Thinking about TV, and some of the really good shows
Shows so rarely replayed, shows with a meaning behind them, I wanted to mention a movie, although it has desperation as the ending, I don't believe in, nor do I like the choice of desperation of the character at the end. In the way the ending is told it actually supports the desperation of the film.

But it has a theme, there are so many good shows we never see.

How often are really thoughtful shows on TV. You hear it is because people just want action, and some of the newer films have taken flashy action to such levels they are just special effects. But when you look at what DVD people buy, and what TV is about they don't match up that well.

But there are movies that make you think. That can get you to question and rethink.

Harrison Bergeron Its 1:40 minutes, but it is an interesting film.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-175006468841636088

One of the points of the film is everyone is not equal, and government should make everyone equal. That is often taken in a different context as nobody is more special then anyone else. It is a film about individuality in that way, something that is important, as shown by tolerance to different cultures, and even learning of different cultures.

It is not the same thing as someone thinking they are special. People can have different levels of skills without forgetting the dignity, and finding the special parts of every person or culture. Someone can be smarter or more compassionate, and know they are not better or deserve more then others. They can even have more then others and know they do not deserve more then others. Being better at something, and thinking you are better, are two different things.

The film also has the dumbing down of society as a theme, something that is part of some group's thoughts on how to treat most of society.


heh, "where do diamonds come from Philadelphia" inside joke there I would guess. LOL
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:22 PM
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1. The false premise
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 10:03 PM by RandomThoughts

is that passion, and beauty, and even many cultures, is what creates war or hardship. It is a premise to create a rational for privilege.

The movie shows Machevelianism, and follows some of what 'the family' thinks. And since the people in power have the same flaws as the average, it ends up with torture and war because of loss of empathy of those that feel they are superior.

The Bush years were bad.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:24 PM
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2. Recommended,
dammit! x(
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:41 PM
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3. I love the way you post...I don't always understand it, but there is
a ryhthm to it that I find comforting and reminds of....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Nq6VVX5WE
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:40 AM
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4. Well I have noticed something also.
It has to do with an equation with PI, and imaginary numbers (square roots of negative numbers)

You can't solve an equation with either of them in it, so you find ways to cancel them out on both sides of the equation, but they still give a necessary part to guide to an answer. Or if PI is part of the answer, there is always one more level that can be found, at some point you have to round it off and say close enough, knowing no person has complete knowledge or understanding. At some point the answer is the best thought on something, and can not just look for something else to give the answers. Thinking not looking for direction.

The video above can be seen with the perspective of a great good trying to free people, or it can be seen as a great evil not following some established order. Within interpretation it has both meanings at the same time, and neither means anything in its entirety, so by having both, they cancel out each other, and the story becomes, 'what do you think it means'.

You can't look at it and try to find just a spiritual source, since based on interpretation it might contain either or both. So it asks what do you feel about it, how does it make you feel and what is your view based on your soul, heart, and mind. And I think God gave us soul, heart and mind, to think on things not just to look for directions. So in that the obscurity or duality of source makes it even more in my view.

However many people will only see the side that defends their argument. Also things like this at times moves proof back to faith for some, something that for some reason, seems necessary for people to be free.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:24 AM
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5. You sure do have a way with words...
Sometimes, I think I understand. Like catching a glimpse of a sun's ray peeking through the clouds.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:11 PM
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6. If you watched the movie, and without any arrogance, because I am no different then you.
I think many feel the same way as you spoke of, and many of them have had it much tougher then you or me.




God Bless.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:20 PM
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7. I will watch it tonight.
Sorry, I have been referring to your posting in style in general.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:35 AM
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8. One of the scenes in the film, one of the main points as I see it,
is the part where the administrator makes his claim to his form of rule. He shows the terrible things of the past, then makes an argument that if a person has to chose between joy and people excelling, and even feeling and thinking, and war, he would chose his method.

First he sets up a premise that is questionable, in my belief his idea of cause is questionable. The removal of bad if it also removes the good does not equate to removal of war.

He proves that with his next statement where he says he would shoot Beethoven himself. He has become what he argued against in that statement.

It is not a mention of one group of society, it is a mention of many things that are done, when evil is faced, many turn to evil to combat it, and the distinction between them and what they fight becomes very thin. They join evil they don't fight it.

With the example in the film, it seems that this might be pointed at one group, but that is not true, many people when in fear of past things, or even what they fear may happen in the future, turn to the same methods of the dark side to fight the dark side.

I think evil exist to create more evil, not for some attempt to actually do something. And fear can create people to turn to evil to fight evil. Love and the bright side also creates more justice and compassion. When a person loves their enemy, and acts in tolerance, justice, and compassion, the better things spread.

I find that part of the film something to think on.

French Aristocracy oppressed the French people, then after the revolution a reign of terror existed to keep the Aristocracy from returning. Stalin did purges to stop the return of any he thought might oppose him. The punishment of Germany after WW1 let many German people except the evil of fascism. And some people believe fighting a few extremist means becoming extreme against large groups of people.

But their are others that believe in programs of aid and development, protecting people, and nurturing societies to build just and compassionate systems. Not for their gain, but because those systems can break a cycle of violence from the past.

I think that scene is really deep.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:38 AM
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9. I have bkmrked it. I will have to wait til this weekend to watch it
I do agree with this statement: I think evil exist to create more evil,
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 06:48 PM
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10. Harrison Bergeron
I understand. Just got through watching. Very interesting premise.
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