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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 06:28 PM
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Tips for teaching teens to party safe
Keeping in mind that there is nothing foolproof, here are some practical medical tidbits for you to know and share - with other parents and teens.

1) "Passing out" is no joke - Passing out has been glorified and joked about so often in our society that people (especially teens) don't recognize it for what it is - a near-death state. Clinically, the difference between unresponsive versus not-breathing is tiny. Massive kudos should go to the person who finally called 911 that night on Hillcrest Drive - it is a big step, but it shouldn't be. Teens, parents, and friends should know that when someone is slumped, you need to act. How precisely do you act? First, if you can't get a person to sit up and talk, go straight to 911. This is true whether it's a teen in a hallway, a girl in a frat house, or a homeless person you can't get to wake up. Calling 911 in this situation is actually NOT a drastic step, but a medically indicated one. Counsel your teen that if he or she feels too intimidated or vulnerable to take this step, they should call 911 by stepping into the bathroom alone. Say your name, your location, the fact that there is a person unresponsive and that you don't feel safe about stepping forward, but you want someone to come. Believe me, they'll come.

2) Slumped but able to talk if prodded - what do you do? Here's the deal: you can never know how fast alcohol may be peaking in someone's blood, or exactly how much was drunk over what period of time. If you don't feel comfortable calling 911 for this type of situation (which, especially in teens, you still should), then someone needs to be assigned to that person for the next four hours, minimum. Even then, if any of the following rules are broken, you go straight to 911. What are the rules? 1) no more drinks - if you've got a belligerent semi-arousable drunk on your hands and no one else will help you keep the drinks away, call 911. 2) breathing too slowly - if someone is breathing less than 12 times a minute, call 911. This one's an absolute indication - it means that even if you can prod or shake the person awake, their body's urge to breathe has sunk too low. They need to be in a hospital. 3) no longer waking up - if the person stops being shake-awake-able, call 911. They don't have to drink any more to get worse - it may be that the alcohol he/she already drank is now peaking. 4) snoring - snoring was Heath Ledger's last cry for help. For more on this topic, check out 9 Practical Tips on How To Avoid A Death Like Heath Ledger's. When people are very drunk, or drugged, "snoring" is actually not real snoring, but often a form of partial airway obstruction. A very alarming, particular type of snoring is when a person snores both on the inhale and the exhale - that's called stridor and it is an absolute indication that someone needs to call 911. Bottom line: A designated person has to commit to staying with anyone who's nodding-off drunk. That's what friends do (re-watch Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist for a refresher). If you're in this situation, ask if anyone is going to watch over the nodding-off-drunk person. If no one's around, or no one can, call 911. If calling 911 doesn't seem okay, at least call parents anonymously, or possibly even campus police. And even if there's someone designated as watcher and the person can be shaken awake, if any of these rules are broken, call 911. Don't give a person who's drowsy coffee or food, or you might end up with the next situation:

3) Drowsy and puked on themselves - what now? Puking up and inhaling your vomit can kill you. Just imagine what all those acidic chunks could do to fragile, filmy-pink lung tissue. Puking down yourself also means you're not able to (as we say in medicine ) "protect your airway." It's a sign you can't be left alone. You may read in medical articles that puking means the person should be rolled on his/her side so they can't inhale stuff - but the actual fact is that he/she really can't be left alone. At all. No one can possibly know how bad the situation will get before it gets better. Get professional help.

4) Watch the person, not the drinks - Two shots many seem like "nothing" to an experienced drinker. But to someone who's never had a drink, and may be taking prescription anti-anxiety meds (or something else, even recreationally), that's enough to kill. Don't dismiss clear warning signs because you or the people around you believe someone hasn't had "enough" alcohol to cause trouble. Everyone is different and what counts is what you see.

5) How vulnerable is this person? Leaving behind a drunk but possibly shake-awake-able 17 year-old-girl in a frat house is not okay. If you see someone in a bad situation (boy or girl), don't leave them to be a victim, even if the alcohol may not (possibly) kill them. Assess the situation. If it seems like there is a disaster in the making, call 911. Teach your kids to use common sense and trust their gut instincts. They're usually right.

6) It takes a village - if you're a parent or a neighbor, you need to be nosy. I have a friend whose mom actually took a flashlight at a teen party and scoured the bushes in the back of a large property. Thank God she did - she found a "passed out" (read: near-death) kid slumped under leaves, someone who'd brought his own stash of alcohol from home. We all like to make fun of the grouchy old geezer who calls the police when it looks like underage teens are staggering around drunk - until a tragedy like this occurs. Then we wish there were more of them. Go ahead, be one. You could save a life.


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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 06:41 PM
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1. Safety tip for the ladies: Don't drink anything that could have had date-rape drugs snuck into it.
That is, never leave your drink unattended.

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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 06:43 PM
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2. get out the sharpies!
:evilgrin:


decent advice there, even better would be teaching kids to drink responsibly instead of turning them loose like house poodles to binge on alcohol and sex because it's all been forbidden fruit until then.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:51 PM
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3. Very good hints
I have tons of calls for teens. They tend to be the ones that really push the limit in terms of BAC.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:55 PM
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4. Use blanks in the firearms
Hollow point ammo has been known to leave nasty scars
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:59 AM
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12. Even blanks can kill.
It happened to the guy who starred in "The Crow" whose name escapes me.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:30 PM
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17. You're thinking of Brandon Lee
But the weapon that shot him had actual live ammo. Which shouldn't have been on the set at all. That was the fault of the movie's armory tech.

However, the actor Jon Erik Hexum did, in fact, kill himself accidentally with blank ammo when he shot himself in the head.

So, you're suite correct that blanks can kill
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:03 PM
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5. PUT A RUBBER ON IT!
That one should always be high on the list.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:44 PM
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6. smoking dope instead of drinking would solve alot of those problems.
worked for me! :P
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:05 PM
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7. XemaSab...was there something that happened recently, close to you, that prompted
this OP? If so, is the person OK now? I, myself have had experiences where I thought I would just die due to alcohol intake....too many to count, but this was back in the time when I thought I was invincible....
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 01:28 AM
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9. There have been a couple cases in California lately
where teenagers were partying and died. In both cases, their friends didn't realize how potentially serious the situation was.

There are some young folks here on DU, and there are some parents of young folks, and I think everyone should be aware of the danger signs.
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:16 PM
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8. Even people you know might try to Rape you if you are passed out
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 01:43 AM
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10. That is why turned into the nasty nosy neighbor when a crowd of teenagers
Started partying in an empty piece of acreage next door. All I really knew is they had loud sound systems and started a bonfire, but when the cops got there and busted the party there were a dozen underage kids with a serious amount of booze.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:48 AM
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11. Thanks for posting this, XS...
I'm friends with enough EMTs, and have heard their stories about (mostly) teenage and college kids... :(

I absolutely agree with the comment upthread that letting your kids drink some at home, so they get the feel for things and it's not "forbidden fruit", should be part of the picture. I know not everyone is likely to agree with that, but I think it applies.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:01 AM
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13. Hre's one: Stay the hell away from Fentanyl.
When it comes to danger, that stuff makes morphine look like Children's Tylenol.

Somone I knew in college died from screwing around with that stuff.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:11 AM
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14. "If you don't feel comfortable calling 911...."
Do it anyway. Since when does the comfort level of the caller figure into whether or not there is a medical emergency?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:31 PM
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15. I can see that peer pressure would keep someone from calling
especially if you're going to get all your friends in trouble.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:20 PM
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16. Even in my peer group (35-45), calling 911 can be frowned upon
Because there's no way of knowing who does and who doesn't have health insurance, and some people will get very upset if they wind up with thousands of dollars of bills they can't pay if they would have been OK anyway.

Sad signs of our times. :(
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:32 AM
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20. I'm sure that's true.
Sometimes one has to do the right thing despite peer pressure. Sorry I let your son/daughter die, but I did not want to look uncool.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:04 PM
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18. Ohio State has a "good samaritan" rule
which forgoes any criminal or school-based punishment for people involved in calling 911 for alcohol poisoning. Or at least they had it when I was there. I personally think that's a great idea.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:32 PM
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19. good advice -I had a teen in my office once who had had the paramedics
called after drinking too much one time - scared the hell out of him and the parents. I don't think people realize that too much alcohol can be so dangerous/life-threatening.
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