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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:22 AM Original message |
Grammar peeve: That is for objects, who is for people |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. Whatever. nt. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Nothing personal. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Nothing personal back atcha. I am not AR on language. Maybe on other subjects, but I find the |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. For me the debate is over logic. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Languages don't make sense. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Spoken English and written English are two different things. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. You keep missing the key distinction, which is not between "real" English |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. I'll tell you what... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. I'd bet you if I said "people who" in a bar no one at all would bat an eyelash. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. If you think you never say "people that" you are deluding to yourself. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I find that formulation totally repulsive. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. A brit saying "If I was gone" bugs me, but that doesn't mean I think brits are stupid |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. A-HA! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. You sure are posting a lot for someone who could care less. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
68. You think English is LOGICAL?!?!?!? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Go ahead. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. "For me the debate is over logic." nt. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. That's it? |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. You brought it up. You are talking about grammer, and then say the debate is over logic. Or are |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. My statement was 'the debate is over logic,' which you're claiming is equivalent to |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Pretty much. It is a hodge-podge collection of junk from the last two |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. "logic" is a prescriptivist euphemism for "how Latin does it" |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. I'll grant you that every language has different rules and conventions. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
81. The word "It's" in your final sentence is not logical because the reader has to guess what the word |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. i enjoy it because its a learning experience. very rarely does DU teach me anything |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
4. There is a wide gap between grammatically correct English |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. What I always find amusing/annoying depending on my mood is the grammar police who seem to think |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Spoken language changes rapidly. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. How is that a logical distinction? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Are you a person who says 'person that?' |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
60. No, the opposite. My pet peeve is people who slavishly follow rules they don't understand. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Ok. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
87. Remember how Bush used to think everyone else sounded like morons? |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Snooze smileys generally exhibit an attitude of defeat, but not to be admitted on this forum |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. You, too? |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Elaborate...if you dare |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. You took the words right out of my mouth! |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. That must be a pretty frightening place to be, too |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. You would know. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Would I? Gee...I thought I was asking YOU that question.... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. It is funny. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. on this board? I think you nailed it! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. It's nice to agree with you about something. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Even better to know you have nothing else to say on the matter |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Really? |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Um...no, I'm afraid that's just called repeating yourself, or calling attention |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 06:31 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Well good for you. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. I like both of your posts here. They said EXCATLY what I think about these |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
88. I guess we are both grammar atheists as well as religious atheists. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
121. Should be "If I 'were' defensive." nt |
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Peoples-English (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
123. Is TOI printing correct English??! |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
40. Then it's 'accepted' |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Read up on some basic linguistics, please. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Linguistics is descriptive. It's designed to reflect language as spoken |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. See? this is the kind of b.s. I'm complaining about. You understood me, you just want to be a |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. A what? |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Which brings up the next point. How do you drive a _____ crazy? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. There's no excuse for writing "people that" then. |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. What if you're writing dialogue |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. D'oh! |
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Rambis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. I sez to him I sez |
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cloudbase (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. And then, he goes, like. . . |
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Rambis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. totally! |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
35. Oh yes! |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
7. could you please explain "lay" and "lie" |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. You lie on a bed. You lay the baby in the crib. |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Thank you ! When I command my puppy "down" is it lay or lie |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Lie down, puppy. |
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Inchworm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
71. hmmmm... |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. "Lay" is active; "lie" is static |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. And both came from the same Proto-Indo-European root. |
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nuxvomica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
18. So you think Mark Twain sounds like a moron? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yes I do. |
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nuxvomica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Well, you're still wrong but I appreciate your honesty |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
22. Had enough? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
24. It's a dying distinction is spoken English, doing it is not "moronic". |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Using "that" where "who" is called for may not be moronic. But you sound like a moron when you do it |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Then you are calling most people morons. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. If the shoe fits... |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Don't ever read that title out loud, |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Thank you! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Your snobbery is noted. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Your snobbery against grammar is noted. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Tell you what, dear heart - |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
25. I AGREE |
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I Have A Dream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
29. Maybe not correct, but hardly "moronic". |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. There's a difference between being moronic and sounding moronic. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
30. There are supervisors and other senior staff who, if they had to write well, would be axed... |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Ain't that the truth. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
36. It seems like something I'd do quite often |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. You're welcome. |
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mikeSchmuckabee (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
42. P is for pedantic |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Wrong. |
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mikeSchmuckabee (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
119. You are wrong, colorless, green ideas breath. And here's the citation |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
43. Thanks! Can always use help like this! |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
44. According to a grammar handbook "Woe Is I," |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. They don't both sound right. Weren't you listening? |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. They don't both? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Don't they? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
54. I've been working on this one for myself. Well said! It's important to sound intelligent. nt |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
55. Democrats is for people! |
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Inchworm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
57. Help me out with who's whose who is who's |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
59. That someone gives a care is encouraging. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
64. Grammar peeve - people who don't put words in quotes when they should be |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. . |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
65. "I know this guy WHAT can eat like a horse." |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
79. That is for objects, who is for people, and periods are for ending a sentence. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. They used to teach that, until they got tired of trying to answer the simple question "Why?" |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
86. Poster peeve: People who point out grammar peeves on an anonymous internet message board |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. Just trying to spread the word, my friend. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
90. Yes, but what about dogs? |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
92. I agree completely; I hate people that do that. eom |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
100. In the old days I tried to follow the advice and explanation |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #100 |
109. If the phrase needs the clause to refer to something specific, use "that." |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #109 |
116. Thank you! I will have to remember this post |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
107. Hey everyone....I'm going to misplace a comma and commit OTHER atrocities here!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
112. My Uncle Leonard was a hermit that lived alone in the woods in the mountains for many years. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I worship you! |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Mixed Animal is a book who keeps getting itself delayed. |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
115. I'm with you 100% |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
118. Who's on first. That is in the outfield, I think. nt |
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S n o w b a l l (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
120. To, too |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
122. What if you treat people like objects? |
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