Actors you were bummed to find out were Republican...

[Taverner]

Robert Downey, Jr.

Can't believe he went all Pro Bush...

[LostInAnomie]

1. Tom Selleck

I thought he would be too smart for it.

[Taverner]

3. Yeah and he shills for National Review...

[Drunken Irishman]

70. Well at least he played a Democratic governor turned president...

[boilerbabe]

130. Isn't he one of those Scientologists? Says it all............n/t

[LostInAnomie]

2. Jimmy Stewart

From all his movies you got the idea that he was an empathetic humanist. He was a solid repub though.

[WCGreen]

27. Yea but he was old school republican, Esienhower type...

He came from the same area of PA my mom was from. They shared as lot of small time values that was called Main Stream republicanism back in that day...

If he were alive today, I think he wouldn't still be a republcian.

[mitchum]

61. William Holden and Barbara Stanwyck...

were two more old school republican, Eisenhower types

I have to confess
they could have been raving John Birchers
and my love
for their work
would make
me
overlook
that

[abq e streeter]

67. a lot of the younger folks aren't aware of a species called moderate republicans

who were decent, honorable people that we disagreed with, as opposed to the raving, hate filled lunatics that have overrun that party now.

[boilerbabe]

133. You are correct!

There still are a couple of decent Repubs --Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins from Maine come to mind. Someone posted in another thread regarding the necessity of keeping decent Repubs from changing parties. My guess is that if there were still some moderates around to help keep that party in check and from going off the rails (too late, I suppose), then maybe they would be more useful staying within the party. An interesting concept. What is your opinion on this idea?

[abq e streeter]

146. I know that both these women are moderates, by today's standards,

but to me, any repub who hasn't vehemently denounced the direction their party has been headed since Reagan has pretty much lost any respect I might have had for them. I think the Democratic party has more than enough blue dogs already and doesn't need the likes of these two, nor Specter to join their ranks. Let em stay where they are and maybe somehow try to save their party from going full-on fascist ( which I also believe is probably a done deal). But yeah, I'm old enough to remember decent and honorable moderate, and even ( believe it or not, kids) liberal republicans. Been one hell of a long time since that though. Really since the mid to late 60's...

[NewJeffCT]

170. agreed

Snowe & Collins may be moderate compared to the other 38 Republicans in the Senate, but they are still to the right of many Republicans from the 80s and earlier (There used to be a "Gang of Six" moderate Republicans in the Senate from the 1970s and 80s from the northeast - Lowell Weicker of CT (more liberal than many of today's Democrats), Chaffee from Rhode Island, and a few others whose names I forget, that were true moderates.

[Chan790]

172. Hell...

Barry Goldwater was a moderate compared to the raving, hate-filled lunatics that have overrun the GOP.

Sure he was hawkish, but he had nothing but contempt for the religious loonies...I've heard more then once he didn't exactly get along with Reagan either and he generally fell more in line with the libertarian "stay the hell out of my bedroom" position on social issues in his later career.

[boilerbabe]

131. That was a long time ago, when it wasn't so bad n/t

[kentauros]

4. Jerry Doyle

(Who?)

"Mister Garibaldi!"
Head of Security, Babylon 5

He was utterly brilliant in that role and he could have been conservative in it, but in that context, it didn't matter. The fact that he has a RW hate-radio show now, disappoints the heck outta me...

[kedrys]

57. Bummer

I loved him in B5! :(

[kentauros]

88. I guess in some ways it made him the perfect Security Chief

;)

But I've heard he spouts the usual prejudice against Muslims on his radio show, so other than his time on-screen and his commentary on the episodes, I really avoid reading about him. I'll just always think of him as Mister Garibaldi! :P

[Love Bug]

58. Bruce Boxleitner is one, too

Did he and Doyle not actually READ the scripts they were performing? How can they possibly have read all of the stuff about Clark and Nightwatch and not see it play out in the Bush admin?

I've heard Tracy Scoggins is one as well but can't confirm it.

[kentauros]

87. Boxleitner too? That sucks.

Scoggins is hard to read. I did come to accept her as the Commander of B5, but her delivery of her lines was always a bit odd. Not quite wooden, but off.

Still, they are good actors, and I enjoy listening to their commentary on the various episodes.

[datasuspect]

5. bocephus

[Taverner]

84. THAT'S a surprise...NOT

[EndersDame]

6. Not anactor butI used to be unaware that Orson Scott Card was a complete wacko

I went to his site and he says very hateful things. He also still calls himself a dem though

[Beer on a stick]

19. He's a Mormon. They can be quite conservative.

[AwakeAtLast]

7. Bruce Willis, Dennis Hopper

[greenbriar]

15. wow, would not have expected Dennis Hopper

that is sad

[Captain Hilts]

47. A lot of anti-govt/Vietnam War types went conservative. Look at Jerry Rubin. nt

[sasquatch]

150. It's why I don't like hippies of the 60's

[Taverner]

74. In defense of Hopper, he did come on the View and say he was voting for Obama

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

34. Didn't Bruce Willis give up the GOP and join the good guys recently?

I seem to remember reading that.

[AwakeAtLast]

41. Ooh, let's hope so

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

116. I don't think Willis was every massively partisan...

I think he's a genuine Libertarian. Doesn't like people telling him what to do, even if it's for his own good or for the good of those around him.

Not that I agree with him on much, but I'm not certain he was ever avowedly pro-GOP. I could be wrong, though.

[Wapsie B]

50. IIRC Hopper endorsed Obama last year.

[AwakeAtLast]

56. This link explains a little bit

http://wonkette.com/403475/republican-dennis-hopper-endorses-obama

I don't think he has completely turned Dem. Yet.

[merh]

157. I couldn't believe it when Willis came out in support of

Fred Thomas.

[SeattleGirl]

8. Patricia Heaton.

I absolutely despise her since I found out she's a Republican. Especially after I read some of the comments she has made. Blech!!!

That's the only one that bothers me. Don't have any negative feelings about the others I know of who are Republican.

[driver8]

13. I feel the same way as you do...I can't stand her.

She is a HUGE right to lifer, too.

[KamaAina]

115. In fact, she's a "Feminist for Life"

an oxymoron much like "conservative thinker". Remember Susan Carpenter McMillan, who injected herself into the Paula Jones case at the precise moment you thought it couldn't possibly get any sleazier? Well, she's the head of FFL. :eyes:

[begin_within]

16. You'll get a kick out of this clip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn_OhPKBjB0

[Bucky]

24. Meh, I still enjoy her work on "Raymond"

She's a good comic actress. Wrong as I think they are, most pro-lifers are sincere and come from an honest place, even if they're views are somewhat unscientific and lack compassion. When she talks politics, I tune her out.

[debbierlus]

105. I can't watch her anymore.

She is a good comedic actress.

However, once I know something like that, it just destroys my image of them.

[WCGreen]

28. She went to the High School in the next town over...

She was in the choir and we use to get together to do combined concerts every year.

Her father was a big time sports Writer for the Cleveland Press and th Plain Dealer.

Most of the people from around here are republicans. I am the odd man out.

[crim son]

83. Me too, I went from liking her to not being able to watch her.

When she was doing ads for Shaw's supermarket my sister was the one who was responsible for her hiring and I chewed her out. Apparently Shaws got a lot of anti Heaton mail.

[boilerbabe]

129. Yuck isn't she from that show "Everybody Loves Raymond"? Hate the show, sorry n/t

[Skittles]

9. kelsey grammer

people who have experienced a lot of tragedy usually develop empathy

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

35. he's Sideshow Bob - no surprise that he's evil

.

[Captain Hilts]

46. He's had a lot of bad shit in his life. Perhaps he's turned his emotions off? nt

[Gabi Hayes]

10. Robert Duvall. he's a REAL asshole, too. smug, arrogant, uber macho prick.

so that makes it easier to loathe him, unlike Downey, who I've always liked a lot

can't believe he swings that way

must've been all the drugs

[Robeson]

22. It is a bummer about Duvall.

[Paladin]

52. Robert Duvall Broke My Heart.

But if you downgraded great actors and actresses for being dipshits, personally and politically, you'd do away with a huge quantity of talent......

[mitchum]

62. That is a goddamn shame

he is an astonishing actor

[rucky]

11. Ron Silver

[driver8]

12. What??? Robert Downey Jr.?? Is that true?

I had not heard that.

My wife will be crushed when she hears this -- he is one of her favorite actors.

[nuxvomica]

44. Going from rich to prison turned him Republican

“I have a really interesting political point of view, and it’s not always something I say too loud at dinner tables here, but you can’t go from a $2,000-a-night suite at La Mirage to a penitentiary and really understand it and come out a liberal. You can’t. I wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone else, but it was very, very, very educational for me and has informed my proclivities and politics every since.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/movies/20carr.html?_r=4&pagewanted=2&8dpc&oref=slogin
(by way of Wikipedia)

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

49. For some reason

I's think it would be opposite. If you were rich and went to prison, you'd come out a little more liberal, not more conservative!

[nuxvomica]

51. I don't get it either

I wish he had connected the dots a little.

[valerief]

77. I guess he doesn't have to now that's Republican. nt

[Taverner]

76. He probably found Jesus

Hiding under his bunk.

Oh that Jesus!

[debbierlus]

81. How could you come out of a situation like that and be anything BUT a liberal?

What the HELL is he talking about?

Liberals are the ones that want to give treatment and help to addicts, the Republicans want to lock them up. He comes out of prison for drug related crimes and he is a republican?

:wtf:

I will never pay another dime to watch one of his movies.

Gross, Mr. Downey. Shame on you.

[Taverner]

90. Billy Baldwin Syndrome?

[LynneSin]

132. That's Stephen Baldwin

He's the republican of the group

[Taverner]

136. Ahhh right

Confusing my Baldwins...:)

[LynneSin]

139. Seriously that's like saying you have Kyra Sedgwick in your picture

Nuff said!

[Taverner]

140. Well it's not like I'd confuse Alec and Stephen...

But the others....

[AllenVanAllen]

14. Clint Eastwood

[Beer on a stick]

20. I actually know Clint. He's not a Republican.

[AllenVanAllen]

26. I did not know that.

Very good! :applause:

[Orrex]

42. I'm glad to hear that, but I've also heard that he endorsed McCain in 2008

:shrug:

[dajoki]

65. I always thought...

he was, I'm glad to hear he isn't. How do you know him?

[Beer on a stick]

66. I'm from the Monterey Peninsula/Big Sur area and went to school.....

with his kids.

That, and he's quite the local, involved community fixture around there. Very active in charity work and promotion of, believe it or not, jazz music.

[dajoki]

68. Thanks...

I think I knew that he was into jazz.

[Taverner]

78. I've been told he's a Libertarian Dem

Or a Dem Leaning Libertarian...

[Beer on a stick]

86. Indeed. More of a libertarian Dem (he's not a Lib party member)....

and has been interviewed (I'm sure it's on the web somewhere) wherein he explained his vote for Reagan was because of the image Reagan portrayed, and Eastwood was very rapidly very disappointed with him and didn't make the same mistake.

If there was ever a philosophical libertarian Hollywood star, it's Eastwood.

[Taverner]

89. Now if we can get him to apologise for "Paint your Wagon"

[Beer on a stick]

91. FUCK THAT!!! That movie, esp. Lee Marvin's warbling, ROCKS!!!

[Taverner]

92. HAHAHAHAHA "GOLD! THERRRRES GOLD"!

[Beer on a stick]

97. "Ieeeeeeee was borunnnnnnnnn under a waaaaaaaaaandrinnnnn staaaaaarrrr"

[Taverner]

98. All that being said, they did use that movie at Abu Gharaib to extract confessions

:rofl:

[donheld]

121. Look at his givings - He's a republican

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Clint_Eastwood.php

[Beer on a stick]

151. He spreads it around. He's also given to Sam Farr.....

and, given his wealth, it's like he hasn't given a thing at all.

[Beer on a stick]

152. Self-delete. Dupe

[Capn Sunshine]

17. LL Kool J

fuck.

[mdmc]

53. really

:(

[Beer on a stick]

18. How is being republican necessarily 'pro-Bush'?

[Taverner]

85. He has a pic of his wife and he shaking hands with the usurper

[WinkyDink]

94. No weaseling out of it now.

[Beer on a stick]

99. Huh? There are numerous anti-Bush Republicans.

[Bucky]

21. Stallone. Who coulda guessed?

I keed, of kourse.

[Tanuki]

23. Gary Sinese n/t

[WCGreen]

29. He's more pro Armed Forces than a re meat conservative...

[nuxvomica]

43. He formed a conservative Repub group in Hollywood

And he supported McCain in the election. He's definitely a conservative from what I've read.

[stray cat]

38. No - I don't think so. He wants to support people in armed forces but that should be non-partisan

[WinkyDink]

96. Gary Sinise (two i's) spoke for McCain at the Repub. Convention. I agree: a Republican.

[qnr]

25. I've never really cared. They're actors, that's all. n/t

[704wipes]

30. John Voight

add that to all the bad blood with his daughter, even though I am not a huge fan of hers.

[Arugula Latte]

73. He has taken the train to Crazytown.

Seriously, that guy is off the deep end now.

[lutefisk]

168. Appears to be a one way ticket. He is never coming back...n/t

[GirlAfire]

31. Jim Caviezel

All is wrong with the world.

[Lindsey]

32. I agree 100% that Jimmy Stewart would NOT be a Rebub.

now. Also, I think I remember hearing Dennis Hopper say on "The View" (before the election) that he was a Obama supporter. I think Bush made quite a few folks really re-think what being a Republican is in this day and age. One of my best friend's sister and her husband who had always been Repubs are now Democrats who voted for Obama. I'm shocked to hear that about Robert Downey. Jr. I'm going to check that out more in depth because that would break my heart too.

[boilerbabe]

128. Jesus is a Repub?? That does it.........n/t

[GirlAfire]

158. Jesus...

...is one hawt Republican.

[Shell Beau]

162. I have to say I felt a little guilty during the Passion of the Christ thinking

damn Jesus is hot!

[GirlAfire]

163. ROFL

I know, right? I was thinking all sorts of depraved things about Jesus.

We need prayer.

:rofl:

[msanthrope]

171. Jesus is a Republican? n/t

[GirlAfire]

173. Yes, and...

...he's pretty good-looking. Have you SEEN Passion of the Christ? Better, have you Seen Angel Eyes?

I'm totally singing Jesus' praises. His political ideology, though, is going to be a problem. :(

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

33. Mary Tyler Moore

told Parade last year how much she loves Bill O'Reilly and said she'd campaign for McCain/Palin if asked

[Captain Hilts]

39. Wow! This one knocks me over!

[peekaloo]

48. wtf?

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Mary_Tyler_Moore.php

the dark side calleth in 2003 I guess.


Ed Asner should kick her ass. ;-)

[debbierlus]

95. Wow - gross

[Stardust]

36. Adam Sandler shattered my illusions.

:cry:

[Captain Hilts]

45. Not mine. He's a self-indulgent, vulgar, sexist, shit. nt

[Arugula Latte]

75. I could never stand him, even before I knew his political leanings.

What a no-talent, unfunny guy.

[Captain Hilts]

111. You and me both. Sad that a real actor like Emily Watson had to be in one of his tasteless films.

[GirlAfire]

114. Is There a Way...

...to "digg," or otherwise mark as awesome, comments made on DU? Because this is so very true. If I see him or Nick Swardson in a film, I know to change the channel ASAP.

[debbierlus]

82. Fuck him.

Fuck all these creeps.

[Submariner]

37. Angie Harmon

I saw a far right screed of her's awhile ago. I could not watch any of her work anymore.

[Taverner]

112. Didn't she go Fundie too?

[Captain Hilts]

40. Phyllis Diller. nt

[valerief]

79. That makes me sad. I wonder if she's new school or old school Republican. nt

[mdmc]

54. Janeine Turner - Northern Exposure's Maggie Oconner

:(

[Patiod]

55. Well, her money isn't going to Republicans

It's going to bad plastic surgery.

[mdmc]

69. I thought it was going to her family

I thought she dropped the whole celebrity thing to do the Norman Rockwell family thing..

[donheld]

122. look and see

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Janine_Turner.php

[Patiod]

123. I guess it's hard to tell online when a person is joking

I forget that people take statements literally.

I was kidding about the donations - just making the point that she had a lot of BAD plastic surgery

[Rhiannon12866]

165. That's the one that got to me, too...

I thought she was terrific on "Northern Exposure," smart and attractive, then I saw her on Larry King, saying that she was so thrilled when Sarah Palin was nominated that she broke down and cried... WTF?! :eyes:

[tigereye]

59. Patricia Heaton

that's what I get for confusing characters with actors... :D

[mitchum]

60. Gary Graham...he's even a heavy thinker over at townhall...

that term being relative and all

[Haole Girl]

63. All of them. nt

[S_E_Fudd]

64. I don't particularly care...makes me think less of them as people...

But not necessarily as an actor...

Still enjoy Bruce Willis in most movies, loved the Terminator flicks, grew up on Mary Tyler Moore...watch 10 Commandments every year etc

[Drunken Irishman]

71. I agree.

I don't dislike people because they're Republican. I just don't like them. Indifferent, I guess, but I'll still see their movies.

As for Bruce Willis, I think he's more moderate now than a few years ago.

[debbierlus]

72. You lie :(

Is that true?

I hate him now.

[Taverner]

80. Sad but true - check out his Wiki entry

And its backed up by a link to the NYT

[WinkyDink]

93. Kelsey Grammer. Gary Sinise.

[Lindsey]

102. That's inbelievable about Mary Tyler Moore- Wow... I did google

Robert Downey Jr. and it does indicate he's Republican -WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[debbierlus]

100. Here is a list of them: MEATLOAF? And, Cindy Williams of Lavern & Shirley

Say it ain't so

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pitchka/Republican_Celebrities_Page

[Taverner]

101. Got a better link?

It's broken, and searching for "Republican Celebrities" gives me butkus

[debbierlus]

103. Try this one

http://www.larepublicans.com/c-republican_celebrities.html

[debbierlus]

104. Gary Oldman, too?

Sheesh.

[Taverner]

110. Sadly yes, he has fallen into the European Islamophobia Trap

[argyl]

106. One error I see on this list. Billy Bob Thornton is definitely no Republican.

[Taverner]

109. Yes - he's a Democrat's Democrat

Goes back a few generations too I think

[Taverner]

108. They do list Quentin Tarantino as a Repub - which makes this list dubious

Although he may be a registered Republican - I think I remember some interview where he was like 'I signed up for the Republican Party because they're supposed to be about less government, right? But they never are. So I've never voted for a Republican'

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

119. R. Lee Ermey is a Republican?!

Christ Almighty, who could have guessed?!

Edit: They could only find FOUR Republican golfers? They're just not trying, are they?

[KamaAina]

154. Republican FAIL.

They have Franco Harris listed in the football category. Surely they couldn't mean this Franco Harris?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco_Harris#Personal

In August 2008, Harris attended the 2008 Democratic National Convention, in Denver, Colorado, as part of the Pennsylvania delegation. Harris voted for Obama on December 15, 2008, as one of Pennsylvania's 21 Democratic presidential electors.

Yup, sounds like a staunch repuke to me. :sarcasm:

[1gobluedem]

107. Dixie Carter

So funny that the Thomasons made her a raging liberal on Designing Women. Also Kelsey Grammer and Mary Tyler Moore, just can't see it.

[KamaAina]

117. And she was so convincing as the raging liberal

ask yourself this: Could, say, Susan Sarandon play an RW nutjob as well?

Might be fun to watch, actually. Anything for a Susan fix... :loveya:

[applegrove]

120. I loved designing women. I just adored that show.

[dugaresa]

141. her daughter was a field director for Obama

[LibertyLover]

113. Not exactly an actor but

Micky Dolenz of the Monkees. He apparently appeared as a headline act at a teabag event in Texas. Bummer.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

118. Not exactly a musician, either....

We got Bruce Springsteen. They got an ex-Monkee.

We win!

[soleiri]

124. I may never get over this

According to Newsmeat, Tim Robbins is 67% dem and 13% repub.

but that 13% includes;

Michele Bachmann (R)
House (MN District: 06)
BACHMANN FOR CONGRESS
general 10/23/06


:crazy:

[KamaAina]

156. Does this mean Susan's finally gonna dump him??

:loveya:

[LTR]

166. I think it's for comedy value

Help the crazy people get elected.

I don't think you have to worry about him. He's hardcore liberal.

[Deep13]

125. Mike Nelson of Mystery Science Theater fame. nt

[frogmarch]

135. NO! Please say it ain't so!

Noooooo! :-(

[Deep13]

153. He had a LTTE in Vanity Fair several years ago...

...telling those who disagree with Bush to stop whining because "the adults are in charge." Sorry, I don't know which issue it was.

[frogmarch]

161. Oh, geez. What a letdown. Thanks

for the info. I am stunned, but at least I now know about Mike Nelson. :thumbsdown:

[Deep13]

164. I have to say, he is still pretty hilarious.

I'm not going to deprive myself of his film commentary because of this.

[lunamagica]

126. Not an actor, and not relevant these days. Dana Carvey

I was a big fan of SNL back on the days he and Mike Mayers worked there. Loved Wayne's World and The Church Lady (not related to the thread, but I also loved and miss Toonces, the Driving Cat). I remember Carvey mocking the Reagans.

I couldn't believe when I found out he had gone to the dark side....

[Taverner]

138. Is he a Repub?

I thought he was apolitical?

[lunamagica]

145. IIRC, he "saw the light" after 9/11

I saw him with Dennis Miller trying to trash Kerry when he was running for president.

[LynneSin]

127. I kinda liked Stephen Baldwin but after Bio-Dome - Republicans can have him

:eyes:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

134. i am actually very good at detecting which actor/musician is a republican

but its makes me sad that doherty is a republican. i think she is so hot

[Taverner]

137. She's miles of ego so consider yourself spared

:P

[NewJeffCT]

144. She was the star of one of those Sci-Fi Saturday night specials

A few months back... she is not nearly as pretty as she used to be. Or else, she had a horrible make-up person in the movie. I think I even posted about it here on DU, commenting more on her decline from star of 90210 and Charmed to grade Z movie sci-fi star.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

147. i think she is also crazy. craziness usually is a career deterrent

[NewJeffCT]

148. True

she doesn't exactly seem stable. However, you know what they say about crazy women... :evilgrin:

[cherish44]

142. Drew Carey

Majorly bummed about that

[Arugula Latte]

159. He is kind of wishy-washy and often describes himself as a Libertarian.

Still ...

[mikeSchmuckabee]

143. Rip Torn n/t

[ZombieHorde]

149. Michael Moore and John Stewart. Really bummed me out. nt

[mvd]

155. Lacey Chabert

I kind of liked her when I was younger. But she supported McCain.

I guess Gary Sinise, because he's been in some good movies.

I have a bigger list on the musician side. One is Miranda Lambert, whose Revolution is one of the best country albums of the year. I even detect some country-punk on the CD! Disappointing about her politics, but unless she says "I hate Obama" throughout the music, I'll still listen to her.

[ThatsMyBarack]

160. Two of my girlhood crushes from the '80s:

John Davidson and Wink Martindale. :blush:

[LTR]

167. Andy Williams

NOT!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8676303

(edit: Noticed Robert Duvall was mentioned earlier in the thread)

[Tommy_Carcetti]

169. Craig T. Nelson

Very funny deadpan actor. Loved him in "Coach" and "Call to Glory", as well as his more recent work in "Blades of Glory" and "My Name is Earl". So I was rather disappointed to find out not only was he a Republican, but not a very smart one at that. Case in point--he gets interviewed by Glenn Beck. Ugh.

If you include directors, then David Zucker. Growing up "Airplane" and the "Naked Gun" series were some of my most favorite movies and I still find them side splitting hilarious. And then he decides to make that piece of dreck (that thankfully bombed) "An American Carol". My hope is that brother Jerry still has some sense in him but I have no idea.

I'm not a Red Sox fan, but I do have to say I admired Curt Schilling's performance in the 2004 postseason, so it sucks that he's a hard core Republican.

All that being said, I can't imagine boycotting any movie or TV show for the sole reason that one of the actors is a conservative or Republican. (That being said, if it is pure conservative propoganda crap--like American Carol--then I have no interest in wasting my time with that.)