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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:24 PM
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Poll question: Is Philip Seymour Hoffman the greatest living American actor?
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:31 PM
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1. He was ok in Avatar.
:shrug:
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:25 AM
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14. Was he the Blue Kitteh?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:31 PM
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2. Who?
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caitxrawks Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:33 PM
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3. LOL how funny.
I just mentioned seeing him naked having sex in a movie.

*shudder*

I really like him. He was excellent in Doubt. Well, come to think of it, he was excellent in Capote too. And good lord, everything else he's ever been in. Even Boogie Nights.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:39 PM
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4. I was just watching a few of his scenes in Charlie Wilson's War
Hoffman's performance is magnificent. He also has terrific range. I mean, watch him in Twister and then in Capote and then in Punch Drunk Love and then in Doubt. You'll get whiplash!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:42 PM
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44. yes, he was excellent in that, in Pirate Radio, in Doubt, in Capote, in Almost
Famous, in pretty much everything I've seen, he's great.

Not sure he's the best, living male actor, though.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:15 AM
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13. Oh... I don't think I would want to see him in a sex scene.
Even less, naked in a sex scene. There's no need for that.

The last thing I saw him in was a documentary about the stolen election of 2000. We saw his transformation from an apathetic, non-political person before the election, into a rightfully disgusted American post-election.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:05 AM
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16. Before the Devil Knows You're Dead?
AWESOME movie
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:11 AM
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33. *hurk*
Good gravy, that brings back some unpleasant memories. I saw that movie with some friends, and of course the first thing that comes on is PSH's pasty white bare ass doing a sex scene with Marissa Tomei. Kinda ruined the rest of the movie for me.

:puke:
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:43 PM
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5. Jack Nicholson, Tom Hanks, Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro would be on
my list of greatest living American actors (male)but for me, no one can compete with Meryl Streep.
What a talent.
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caitxrawks Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:47 PM
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6. ohhhh
My husband has a total mancrush on De Niro. He says he identifies with Travis Bickle LOL! And I fell in love with Meryl Streep in Doubt. I was really able to see her talent for the first time in that, and since then I've paid more attention to her in her other roles. I loved her in the Devil Wears Prada, she personified the character exactly.

I like Johnny Depp :-3 So cliche, I know, but he can do no wrong.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:05 AM
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19. Sean Penn and Gene Hackman also
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:21 AM
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26.  Morgan Freeman, too.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:28 AM
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34. Yes. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:23 AM
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29. I like Nicholson, but don't think he's in the ranks with S.Hoffman or Meryl Streep etc. nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 05:50 PM
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64. Jakc Nicholson plays Jack Nicholson fine...that's about it...n/t
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EastTennesseeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:33 AM
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7. I voted "Yes"
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 01:34 AM by EastTennesseeDem
because I'm assuming "Philip Seymour Hoffman" is a synonym for "George Clooney."
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:34 AM
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8. Clooney is a pretty goddamn fantastic actor as well.
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EastTennesseeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:14 AM
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12. I love Hoffman too
Have you seen 25th Hour?

Fanfuggintastic.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:21 AM
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27. We under estimate him. Just as Gable's talents were under-estimated. nt
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:41 AM
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9. I won't be able to decide how to vote until I find out who the f he is
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:59 AM
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23. He's the blond guy who cries a lot
If you notice someone gnawing on the scenery in a movie, that would be Mr. Hoffman. :-)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:18 AM
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24. Hmm. Well, not just ANYBODY can gnaw scenery
:dilemma:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:24 PM
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41. What does that even mean?
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 05:24 PM by Orrex
I've heard every actor in the business described as a scenery-chewer, and I've heard it applied alternatively to every role they've played. There's no consistency in the application or context of the phrase.

It seems vaguely to be a disparagement of the actor's performance and/or ability, but it's applied so loosely and haphazardly that it's pretty much impossible to pin down.

:shrug:
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:34 PM
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47. It's when an actor acts too hard
With Hoffman, it's when he gets the waterworks started, like in Capote and other roles. I didn't believe him in Capote because he seemed to be either crying or one the verge of it during the whole film. It's like "Look how hard I'm working at this." He's gotten more control since then, it seems. He turned in some fine performances in Charlie Wilson's War and Doubt and Before the Devil Knows You're Dead. I've avoided Savages because I figured he would overdo it.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 12:39 AM
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48. Well, that's kind of what I'm saying.
Pick any well-praised actor, and name any well-praised part they've played, and you'll find 51% of opinions saying they're doing a great job, while 51% say he's chewing the scenery (with a 2% margin of error).

And, more often than not, the role in which they're accused of scenery-chewing is the one that got them the Oscar. Capote is one example, as is Hopkins' Lecter, Pacino's Frank Slade, etc.

It just strikes me as an easy criticism to hurl, while it isn't especially descriptive.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 12:09 PM
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57. But it really is a fair criticism, I think
If something strikes one as overdone it's worth pointing out. That can happen with special effects, score, editing, etc. It's just as subjective as any other criticism, such as "wooden" when applied to, oh, say, Keanu Reeves, whose fans probably would describe as being "subtle". How else would you describe an overwrought performance?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 12:36 PM
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60. Of course there's no way to apply a single standard
If a role calls for an over-the-top performance, then the actor shouldn't be criticized for playing it that way. And if a role has a comedic element, it's hard to criticize the performance as "scenery chewing" if that performance yields an effectively comic result.

For comparison, I would say that Tim Burton's work is a consistently vapid and pretentious attempt at kitsch and camp, but I'm sure that his admirers would call him a brilliant director for the very same reasons.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:42 AM
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10. He is definitely fearless.
That's a prerequisite.


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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:59 AM
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11. Is amazing in everything he does. Loved him in The Big Lebowski.
I think he should play The Penguin if they decide to reprise that roll in a future Batman movie. Awesome.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:05 AM
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15. honesty, I think he very well may be
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:53 AM
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17. Did Meryl Streep die or something?
Because if she's alive, there's only a debate about second place.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:34 AM
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20. Sorry. I just can't forgive her for She-Devil
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:25 AM
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31. Or Postcards From the Edge. She had NO BUSINESS being in "Heartburn." nt
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 09:41 AM
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56. Postcards is cool... give it another look.
If nothing else, her singing makes the whole thing worthwhile.

Carrie Fisher's DVD commentary is pretty hilarious, too. She's sort of "what the hell am I supposed to do? I don't remember this or that."
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:43 AM
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32. But you're okay with Hoffman in Along Came Polly an MI 3? Puhleese.
He co-starred with Adam Sandler, for chrissake.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:22 PM
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40. He was actually pretty good in MI3
And Along Came Polly is a horrible figment of your imagination.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 03:54 AM
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52. I actually liked MI 3
But everyone here hates anything Tom Cruise does so much I thought it would make my point better.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:23 AM
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28. She's managed to improve on doing comedy. nt
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coyotespaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:12 AM
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18. He's ok, but he's no Clancey Brown...
that is all.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:04 AM
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21. Him?
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coyotespaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:00 AM
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51. No...

Him
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:28 AM
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22. If by Philip Seymour Hoffman you mean Kevin Spacey, then yes.
:dunce:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:24 AM
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30. Yes! Spacey is very good! nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:20 AM
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25. He just might be. nt
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:12 PM
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35. SInce he was born in Fairport and I was born in
Canandaigua. Yes, he is the greatest living actor. Even though I have only seen twister and patch adams.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:52 PM
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36. No. Gene Hackman is.
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 03:53 PM by WinkyDink
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blueknight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:03 PM
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37. only if
sean penn died
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:09 PM
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39. I don't know. I like Hackman, but...
every role I've ever seen him play has been Gene Hackman, occasionally with a moustache. He's never "vanished into the role" for me, though he certainly always gives an entertaining performance.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:46 PM
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38. No. Mos Def is. nt
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:39 PM
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42. wonderfully versatile
but I don't know if he's the greatest. (although he was amazing in Capote)Stanley Tucci has a bit more depth and breadth, I think. Seems willing to take more risks.


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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:41 PM
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43. no, that would be Johnny Depp
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:46 PM
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45. Not even close.
John Lithgow is. Anyone who can play his role in 3rd Rock from the Sun and his role in Dexter and do both that well...the guy is beyond amazing.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:18 PM
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46. John Lithgow has had one role and one role only


All else is incidental.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:18 AM
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49. nope, I won't buy it...I choose other
Christopher Reeve is the best actor ever, ever, ever....

He can make you orange juice, freshly squeezed...
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:36 AM
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50. I liked him in Twister, but that was about it.
"Food. Food. Food."
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 06:06 AM
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53. Of course he isn't. n/t
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 08:19 AM
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54. COGENT!
:wtf:
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:00 PM
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62. How does he live greatly? Does he have a stable stocked with ten thousand thoroughbred marmots,
trained to pull him around town in a crystal chariot? Now that would be living great!

Oh... wait... you meant greatest living in the other sense. Hmm, well, he's good, but his voice annoys me - so I'd not put him on the list, personally.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:24 PM
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63. Marmots? No.
But he has five hundred and three stoats trained and at his disposal. I'll have to get back to re: the crystal chariot.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 08:25 AM
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55. I have no idea who this is. nt
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 12:23 PM
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58. Definitely one of my favorites, and here's a pic for those who don't know him:
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 12:25 PM
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59. His best role was in Boogie Nights. Besides that...he's alright.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 12:42 PM
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61. Not even. And Toby Jones was a better Truman Capote in 'Infamous'.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 06:29 PM
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65. None better. Nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 06:31 PM
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66. I liked his drag role with DeNiro. nt
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 06:35 PM
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67. I like Denzel Washington myself
Very difficult for me to think of a better actor. JMO.
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