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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:48 PM
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Who drives a Toyota?
:shrug: :hi:

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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:50 PM
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1. Me and I love my Celica.
And I WOULD buy another if they made them again. I've had almost no trouble with it in the 7+ years I've had it.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:25 PM
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7. I will never, ever, ever understand why Toyota stopped making sporty cars.
Supra? Dead. Celica? Dead. MR2? Dead. Those cars were all very good in their respective genres. Hell, even today the Supra is still one of the holy grail cars for tuners.

Granted, Lexus has gotten into the supercar business this year, but no sporty cars anymore. Well, they did briefly do a slightly hopped up version of the Matrix, but it's just not the same.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:36 PM
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9. I think the Solara is their sports car now.
And I've been in the car with someone who test drove a Solara and that IS a very nice car. But its kinda too big for me.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:13 PM
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46. Daughter has one, and likes it a lot.
I may 'inherit' it from her, but its red and may accelerate too quickly for me!
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:49 PM
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49. They accelerated intentionally.
Unlike the current Toyota death traps.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:56 PM
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20. My first new car was a '77 red Celica GT liftback with black louvres on the rear window.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:05 PM
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2. Corolla
Bought it a few years ago when gas was about $4 a gallon.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:08 PM
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3. 1992 extended cab pickup.
119,000 miles 31mpg highway 26+ in town, and that's with a camper top. I'll drive it until it wears out-which should be another 250,000 miles.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:09 PM
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4. I do, a 2010 Matrix....
...which is on the recall list (even though they haven't told us anything they would do to fix the situation.)

I personally like it, it's a nice little car, but the recent news makes me a little nervous.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:15 PM
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5. Me
and we love our Camry.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:23 PM
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6. '05 Prius
Haven't had any of the famous troubles associated with the make or model.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:50 PM
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28. Aren't they great! Got a '08. Love it.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:53 PM
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30. What's your mpg?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 08:58 AM
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60. After a couple of months...
...I was able to keep it in the mid-fifties, commuting in warmer weather. I was able to push it into the low sixties if I really tried.

In the coldest weather, I count on 51 or thereabouts. Since my 75,000-mile maintenance a few weeks back, though, it's stuck in the upper forties. Don't know what's draggin' me down, but it's probably nothing the service center will admit is a problem.
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:31 PM
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8. Never
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:47 PM
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10. Me either
Especially now:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/united-auto-wor...

From the article:

"It's outrageous that the number one-selling car in Cash for Clunkers was the Corolla, the car that is manufactured in the NUMMI plant. After receiving more money in this bailout program than any other company, Toyota is turning its back on American workers and American taxpayers by closing the plant in the state where they sell the most cars in the U.S., shipping these jobs to Japan, and then importing the cars back to the United States for sale," said King.

Interesting, too, that Toyota shuts down its only UAW plant in the US but is building a new, non-union plant in Mississippi.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:12 PM
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11. *cough*
I hate to correct you but "cash for clunkers" wasn't a company bailout it was a customer bailout and many many dealers actually lost money on the cars themselves. They made money if people bought cars from them. And if Toyota had the most customers, that's because people love their product. They didn't get the actual bailout that GM and Chrysler got.
Maybe when the big three show that they've gotten past weighing human lives vs. how much a lawsuit would cost them, would I buy something again.
At least Toyota is doing the right thing by stopping production. No one in Detroit has EVER shown any hint of concern for anything but the bottom dollar, even to screwing their own employees when times got tough.
Nope, I'll never buy American.
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:16 PM
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13. Toyota was required to recall those cars by the NHSTA
Furthermore the tax concessions and price dumping they were allowed in the 80s more than equals any 'bailout' (which were actually loans) domestic manufacturers got in 2009.

Add to that, Japan has its own 'cash for clunkers' program which excludes US made cars.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:48 PM
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26. Are you serious?
Edited on Thu Jan-28-10 05:48 PM by blue_onyx
"Maybe when the big three show that they've gotten past weighing human lives vs. how much a lawsuit would cost them, would I buy something again."

You ignore that Toyota lied about the cause of suddenly accelerating vehicles and basically blamed the consumer, who in some instances died. Toyota cares about NOTHING but making money, just like every other corporation in the world. It's pathetic the lengthen that some Toyota fans will go to defend the company.

I'll never purchase a Toyota.
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 09:41 PM
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39. "At least Toyota is doing the right thing by stopping production."
:rofl:

After months of blaming it on floor mats.

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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:14 PM
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12. Me. A Prius and a MR2
Prius to get to/fro work and MR2 purely for pleasure. I love both, but the MR2 is a jewel.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:26 PM
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14. My 2nd Celica, and I LOVE it.
Mine is a 2000 and I have 56k miles on it. Worth a nice chunk if I wanted to trade it in.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:30 PM
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15. Both me and my husband...
We drive hybrids. He has a Prius, and I have a Camry.......love them!

:hi: my dear Parche!

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:38 PM
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16. I've been in your Prius! What a great car!
:hi:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:40 PM
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17. My dear grace!
Actually, that was my Camry!

But yes, you did get to ride in my baby...

She's a sweet car!

:hi:
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:47 PM
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18. I remember it being a Prius, because you had to back up in that full parking lot
Edited on Thu Jan-28-10 03:48 PM by grace0418
and you were talking about how the newer Priuses have back-up warnings because they are so quiet. Am I wrong?

Either way, it was lovely to meet you.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:52 PM
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29. OK, what's his gas mileage?
I can squeeze 50 mpg out of my '08 Prius, but I do a kind of modified hypermiling.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 09:06 PM
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33. He gets about 40 mpg, but no fancy manoevers...
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 06:00 PM
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64. My Dear CaliforniaPeggy
Stay safe in them!!! considering the accidents happening...
:hug: :hug::hi:


"The greatness of evil lies in its awful accuracy. Without that deadly talent for being in the right place at the right time evil must suffer defeat. For unlike its opposite good, evil is allowed no human failings, no miscalculations. Evil must be perfect or depend upon the imperfections of others."
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BarbaRosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:52 PM
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19. MamaRosa has a '06 Matrix, and loves it.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 04:00 PM
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21. Currently I drive a 2006 Scion xA RS 3.0 that is made by Toyota.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 04:01 PM
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22. I had one once, and it turned out to be the best $5,000 rod-throwing dog kennel I ever had.
Piece o' crap.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 04:33 PM
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23. We've got a 1984 Toyota truck.
It runs fine and does everything a truck needs to do. I'll probably still be driving it when the last gasoline station goes out of business.

After that people will only be able to buy gasoline in 10 liter cans at the antique auto shop if they have the proper hazardous material license and liability insurance. Then maybe I'll park the truck in the yard for my great grankinds to play in, or if the world goes all Mad Max on us, I'll make some wicked swords and knives out of the suspension springs.

I bought a new car once, a long time ago when I was young and foolish, and I'd rather not do it again.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 04:40 PM
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24. I wouldn't be caught dead in a Toyota.
No car company has ever been sleazier. Okay, so DeLorean was a crook - but he wasn't sleazy.

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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:53 PM
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31. Sleazy how?
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 04:53 PM
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25. 96 Corolla Station Wagon
127,000 miles and going strong
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:50 PM
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27. I. Love. My. Prius. Period.
Best car I've ever owned in over 50 years of driving.
:-)
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A-Long-Little-Doggie Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:55 PM
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32. We have 2
Hubby's 2009 Camry Hybrid 42,000 miles and 37mpg
My 2000 Lexus RX300 with 180,000 miles and still going strong.

My sister works at Toyota HQ in Calif. and says it is not a fun place to be right now.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 09:10 PM
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34. i drive a 94 camry cause its the only thing i could afford
nice car but i prefer hondas. i`ll never be able to afford a new american car.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 09:14 PM
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35. I use my parents' cars. Both of them are toyotas but fortunately not
recalled. Still I was planning on going into the shop for body work this week. I'll have to put that off more a few months now. I can't imagine how busy they are these days.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 09:16 PM
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36. 1993 4x4 pickup
Just crossed the 50k mile mark two weeks ago. Should last me til 2150 or so.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 09:28 PM
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37. Had a 93 Tercel till it got totaled in a hyrdoplaning accident last year.
Now driving an 04 Corolla. Both cars have been awesome. If I didn't own a Toyota, I'd have a Honda.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 09:36 PM
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38. I do. A 1988 Corolla.
Still runs well while there are almost no American cars that old still on the road.

It's rusting, and I'll have to replace it in the next year or two, but I will almost certainly buy another Toyota - used (as all of my cars have been).

Despite the current issues with some models, Toyotas have been one of the most reliable brands over many years, and I have no qualms about buying another one.

My other car is a Hyundai, which is pretty good now that some of the problems have been ironed out with it (had some major issues early on) - and actually have to take it in next week due to a recall, but it doesn't make me like Hyundais the way I do Toyotas.

I don't get the people bashing Toyota here. It's always seemed to me that while the CEOs of American car manufacturers were lining their pockets, Toyota was putting large amounts of money into R&D and making better, more reliable cars - instead of the junk most American companies have been turning out. I won't buy American just to buy American - I don't want to be taking my car to the shop every month.

And...doesn't seem to me it makes a damn bit of difference on the American/foreign car continuum buying used anyway. I only take my cars to a dealer if there's warrantied repairs or a recall, anyway.
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PJPhreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:27 PM
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47. 1986 Corolla Owner Here...
At 190,000 and still cruzin along (Drove 100 miles yesterday) and it is probably the only one in this part of the country that isn't rusty!

You will have to pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel to get this away from me!





I've had 4 of 'em...1979 Corolla,1980 SR5 Pickup,1986 Corolla (The one above) and a 1989 4Runner.

Three of the four have gone over 300,000 miles,I sold the 4Runner with 484,000 miles and got $800 bucks more than I paid for it!

For the Anti-"Yota" crowd...I have had over 50 automobiles in my life,ranging from a 1956 36hp VW to a 1963 Chevy II with 500+ Hp. and yes I'll buy another!
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 11:15 AM
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63. Really?
"Still runs well while there are almost no American cars that old still on the road."

Have any proof of this?


"Toyota was putting large amounts of money into R&D and making better, more reliable cars"

Yeah, right. I guess you are one of the Toyota lovers who have conveniently tuned out the recent news on Toyota's quality.


"I won't buy American just to buy American - I don't want to be taking my car to the shop every month."

Not true. Even if it was...it's better than driving a Toyota death trap.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 07:56 PM
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65. uh, right. I'm not saying that there aren't current problems
or that Toyota has handled it well.

I don't for a minute believe Ford or Chevy would have done any better.

As to recent news on Toyota's quality - if you mean ASIDE from the current recall...you're right. But not because I'm a Toyota lover, but because I have 2 cars that run (for now) and no funding to replace either of them - so paying attention to car quality isn't a big concern right now.

When it comes time to buy another car - I will do what I always do. Research. Particularly checking reliability ratings in Consumer Reports. And when I do, if the most reliable cars in the price range I'm looking for turn out to be Fords or Chevys or anything else, that's what I'll look for.

I was talking about the long-term reputation of Toyota for reliability. I still think that means something - but when it comes down to the actual reliability numbers, which are what matter to me, I won't be buying a Toyota just for being a Toyota. If there's something better, that's what I'll get.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 10:02 PM
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40. My Paeso is 17 years old now...still running great.


5 speed and great gas mileage.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 10:11 PM
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41. L-1011 right?
My mom used to work those - for TWA no less
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 10:17 PM
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42. I have a Corolla
It's a hooptie.

The engine is great, but the interior trim all fell off. x(
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:00 PM
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43. I have a Camry Hybrid.
It's not included in the recall. I've had no problems with it and have really enjoyed driving it. But it does make me nervous and I've been watching the recalls hoping it doesn't get added.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:11 PM
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44. I do, '93 Corolla Wagon, handed down ! from Mom and Dad.
Going great.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:11 PM
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45. dupe
Edited on Thu Jan-28-10 11:15 PM by elleng
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:35 PM
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48. I have a Pontiac Vibe
So its kinda up for interpretation. Do I drive a Toyota? Anyone have a definitive answer for me?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:55 PM
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50. Camry.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 12:18 AM
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51. '05 Camry
Love that car! I was a former GM only owner before - it is the best car I've ever had.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:25 AM
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52. We had a 90's Camry a few years ago, it was OK, but nothing special.
Cost a lot to repair and after a few fixes we junked it.

mark
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:36 AM
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53. I do: a '94 Tercel with about 60,000 miles on it.
The downside being that the heat does not get very warm, and here in Boston we've had periods of frigid weather this winter.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:59 AM
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54. My mom
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 06:25 AM
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55. If only she had kept it original, unopened & in the box.
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txwhitedove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 07:52 AM
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56. 2006 Matrix here. I love it and have had no problems.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 07:56 AM
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57. Here. And guess what! I freaking LOVE it!
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 08:23 AM
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58. 2002 toyota tacoma

Only mine is white. :) Great truck!
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 08:40 AM
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59. 2007 RAV4
Whew! Missed those recalls.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 09:00 AM
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61. I do, Camry. nt
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annonymous Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 09:15 AM
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62. 1995 Toyota Corolla
Has 130,000 miles on it and is still going strong.
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