So about the new Star Trek movie...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

....with the scene where kiddie Kirk takes a joy ride in dad's Corvette while listening to the Beastie Boys?

....wouldn't these days that be the equivelant of, say, taking a ride in a horse and buggy while listening to Bach? I mean, it's all cool and rebellious sounding to us now, but the whole scene seems a little outdated when transferring it to the 23rd Century.

[Taverner]

1. Good point...

[joeybee12]

2. Agreed...and the music in the bar, too current, as well as the background

music...really doesn't make you feel as if you're far into the future.

[Posteritatis]

15. To be fair doing believable FutureMusic is pretty tough

Music's a product of the time it's in in many ways, so something that would be standard popular music in the 2200s - in any 2200s I could think of, really - would sound at least a little alien to modern ears. That's before bringing in things like wholly new instruments, genres and musical theories, all of which show up regularly as is.

Even pianos today are at times very different from the pianos of the early 1800s, with some original songs impossible to play as composed on modern instruments. Now strap a global government (to cause a larger pool of instruments to alter or be inspired by to show up) and a few centuries of additional technology-spawned instruments on top of that..

[kentauros]

25. I do feel, though, that Louis and Bebe Barron did a great job on Forbiddin Planet

and creating a soundtrack (as well as sound effects) with a very futuristic sound :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIuc1_Qg4A8

I can't think of any science fiction movie or show since that had a full soundtrack that sounded so alien and unlike anything in the present day. The movie-makers usually won't commit to the whole soundtrack being being something people wouldn't want to buy (I did buy the FP soundtrack, though, because I do find musique-concrete to be listen-able.)

[Twillig]

3. I suppose he should have been rocking out to, wait for it:

Red Barchetta

[sarge43]

4. I had no problem with the music.

What is pop music going to sound like in the 23rd century?

What went through my mind watching that scene is "what is powering that car?" Couldn't be gasoline. By 23C, oil is probably more rare than gold. Based on the motorcycle Jimmy rode to the launch site, it's no doubt electric of some sort. But then, that much refit on an 'antique' cancels its antiqueness.

Further, I really doubt Corvette of that linage would be setting around intact in an Iowa farmyard. If it somehow survived the Third World War, it would been scraped for its metal, recycled for transportation or by great good fortune wound up in a museum.

If writers and director wanted show Kiddie Kirk as a bad ass rebel in training, far better ways to do it.

[Xithras]

5. It's his uncles/stepfathers Corvette.

Presumably the uncle/stepfather would have viewed the car as a very valuable antique (much like someone would today value a genuine 18th century racing buggy). Young Kirk steals the car because the uncle is abusive and he wants to strike back at him. Being a 250 year old collectors item, the Beastie Boys tape in the radio would have been seen as a period accessory.

By the way, the uncle/stepfather thing is deliberate. The movie originally had a deleted scene where it belonged to an uncle. In the book, they changed it to a stepfather.

[Twillig]

6. If it was an uncle, they would have had to give royalties to Rush!

See above!

!

[sarge43]

8. In the deleted scene Johnny/George says "That's dad's car."

Good point about period accessory.

[hunter]

7. Sorta 23rd century version of steam punk.

Fine by me.

Kirk's that kind of guy.

I can picture him a few years later at Star Fleet...

After a day of nude sunbathing at Bakers beach and mountain bike riding (some of that nude too) Kirk and his Orion girlfriend probably enjoyed a discrete quickie on the Golden Gate bridge. Technological antiquities are so hot!

BTW, they don't have human staff watching for jumpers on the Golden Gate Bridge anymore. The security cameras are controlled by computers which ignore most human foibles. Anyone who jumps or falls off the bridge is automatically transported over to the security station where a nice cop named Mabel, all 7'2" of her smothers them in the kind of attention they probably won't enjoy. Turns out most jumpers are stupid Fox-News-watching tea-bagging thrillseekers, and not despondent people. There are few if any despondent people in the 23rd century, the social safety net is strong and so are the meds. But humans being humans, theres still a lot of stupid.

...I love Star Trek. If something doesn't make sense, you can just make shit up.

[sarge43]

9. Excellent. You should be hired to write the next script. n/t

[hunter]

12. Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid. In fact it's cold as hell.

So is Mabel whenever she drags some clueless jackass out of her security transporter.

Mabel was born and raised on Mars. They have zero tolerance for clueless jackasses there.

The Martian environment is harsh such that most jackasses removed themselves from the gene pool a long time ago, and them that didn't got helped along.

Mabel's too much of a professional to help 'em along, she only makes them wish they were dead.

Kirk and Mabel met once. She didn't kill him, but she did kill some of the jackass in him.

[sarge43]

13. Jimmy T checked out that 7'2" frame and like Edmund Hillary

decided "I gotta do that."

When he returned to the Big E, Spock said to Bones, "Shouldn't you treat him, Doctor?" McCoy answered, "I'm a doctor, not structural engineer."

[hunter]

18. Yeah, like that.

:rofl:

[Debi]

10. You just hate Iowa

admit it. :cry:

[TZ]

11. Kirk is a Beastie Boy fan?

Now I KNOW I'm not seeing that movie...

[Posteritatis]

16. That specific scene's kind of embarrassing

It's a density of product placement I've never seen in Trek before. The car, the music, the Nokia cellphone complete with default ring tone..

[sarge43]

22. Then, there's the "Budweiser Classic" Uhura ordered at the bar. n/t

[Posteritatis]

23. I could see that a bit more

Odd, anachronistic custom beers at a bar are one thing (and should probably happen more often, dammit), but the equivalent of using a cellular telegraph is another entirely. ;)

[sarge43]

24. Point taken

But one would think taste had improved somewhat in three centuries. Oh well, it could have been "Coors Classic".

[pokerfan]

14. He should have been listening to Mr Tamborine Man or Lucy in the Sky

Or Rocket Man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN3MGN899yE

[rkennedy_68]

17. Good point

hope the movie is still good though.

[HopeHoops]

19. Yeah, and where are you going to get 93 octane fuel at that point in time?

:shrug:

[Paladin]

20. Picky, Picky, Picky. Everybody Quit Acting Like A Bunch Of Trekies.

I thought the movie was excellent.

[sarge43]

21. Nitpicking Trek is a major event in the Nerd Olympics.

If we didn't love it, we wouldn't bother.

Agree, great movie because it went back to the original. I was especially impressed with the casting. They got the Magnificent Seven just right.