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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 12:32 AM
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I think some people are disagreeing with their being a death versus life struggle.
Edited on Thu May-20-10 12:33 AM by RandomThoughts
There are some people that think differently on what that means, and some may not understand what I think the death side means and the life side means.

It is not only physical death, although that is part of it, it is soul death, caused by people giving up on hope and dreams, and turning to worse ways.

If a person has read on the concepts of light and dark, life and death in many texts, they probably have an idea of what it is. I think it is partly the concept of dead being dead in sin, which can mean different things to different people, but is a form of death from despair, or giving in to being what a person does not want to be in many ways that can break a persons spirit. While life is able to find the comfort and peace from love and the better things when in joy or strife. Many times by sharing joy.

There is also a real mortal death part to it, because that causes suffering, and suffering can lead to despair, it can also lead to hope and resilience, depends how a person thinks and feels on it.

If a person feels that the world is tough and it causes despair or oppression, it can cause many people to destroy, that is death side, and not just about physical death, although that is part of it.

Or a person can take the concept of correcting things and creating better situations through the better ideas, that is the life or construction side. That is how I see it. There is much more to it, and many different concepts from different beliefs, so people probably have many thoughts that are different then mine, but that is part of how I see those things.

The point is there is a death philosophy and a life one and you can see differences in them.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 12:33 AM
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1. Good grief you are too serious .
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 12:46 AM
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2. heh, you make a fair point there. But grief is not something I consider good, but anyway
Edited on Thu May-20-10 01:09 AM by RandomThoughts
But the basic concept that the two sides pull at people can get someone to think on things.

The Masons have a saying, check your actions. Many times people get stuck in patterns, where they actually talk and do without really thinking. So stopping and thinking about what something is based on, what its intended effects are, destruction or creation, is one way I check my actions when thinking. Although not a Mason, I think that is a good idea and helps in things.


As far as being serious, I am going to keep getting more and more serious until things are set right, and since I am better off then most people, to set things right, I think it best to try to make the whole world better, something impossible for any person to do, so going to keep climbing the ladder or at least trying to think on that till things get better.

Although you are right, changes in thought patterns make normal thoughts less often, and need for full focus also makes those things less often. Very rarely do I think on just basic things, and since I chose not to destroy anything, the only way I can think to make things better, is to get more and more serious thinking more and more on it, since being a person there is no way to actually get anything done.

Besides, why would I be relaxed when I still have not seen proper justice in my real life. So weather possible or not, it has to change, and it seems seriousness is part of that.


Although I joke around alot and have lots of fun also. I do have much fun with music clips also.

So I could be right, or maybe you are, and maybe I should be less serious at times.

Hey going to play a song just heard on Keith, great tune, I use to listen to Billy Joel albums on paper route when younger, learned most by heart. And this song fits pretty good.



Billy Joel - You May Be Right.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xrlt_billy-joel-you-may-be-right_music


Which proves again I have free will, and can joke around, since

2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.


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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:17 AM
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3. I submit that it is human nature to flip things over.
To "see" a second side to things when really, there's only one side. We love opposites; think about it a moment. We invented a God so we invented a Devil to oppose him. Our political system has a yin and a yang in conservatism and liberalism/progressivism. Then there's the yin and yang itself. I think it's the way our brains are wired; since we have two eyes, two ears, two arms and two legs, we see dichotomies where dichotomies don't necessarily exist on their own.

Death is anti-life. There's an anti-everything as long as we want there to be. Technically, death is a cessation of processes. Since death is permanent, I would strongly suggest it is a "soul death" to slip into depression and bitterness. I have personal experience with this: people who slip into such funks, even for years, can come back to enjoying their lives again. Depression is not a permanent condition; it is very much a curable medical condition. It's not death.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 12:35 PM
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4. My comment is not about depression, but there could be overlap there.
Edited on Thu May-20-10 12:45 PM by RandomThoughts
More about comfortably numb from flyod without the drugs, or many other songs about numbness. Note many are in that, and I know that feeling also, and it is possible to break out of it.

Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkJNyQfAprY

It is finding the source of the blockage, and knocking it down, or locking it, reflecting it, turning it(best result), doing whatever to break oppression. In the video he is breaking things, not the way I think of it, but it seems that is one translation of the inner struggle to break out of that thought, not the best method but many use it to break free.

And never losing your dreams, don't let anyone steal them.


Notice he glimpses it, that was sorta what I meant by feeling something and having to find it as a way out of the numbness, although that was years ago, it can be translated into watching something over and over to find a path out of numbness, or finding anything to bring joy or feeling.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 02:57 PM
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5. One more thought on dreams.
If your dreams are to dominate other people, or steal their dreams, then you are in conflict, because your dreams will conflict with another persons dream.

And that conflict can last forever, but if your dream is not to steal free will, and for better things for many people, you will not be in threat and turmoil, instead you will be in peace and comfort, since you do not take dreams but share dreams.


Sometimes the dreamer of bad dreams is issolated, the lock, but many times they are intergrated in a way to help them learn from other dreams, and teach others their dreams. If a person has a good heart, the better parts of both dreams merge to move a little higher on positiveness scale of what is best.

But that takes one group not wanting to take from another but instead wanting justice for all.
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