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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:45 AM
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Something you don't know about me
I am cluttering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluttering

So if you have talked to me on the phone or in RL or in case we will talk at one point, there will be difficulties for you to understand me. I talk fast and slur the ends of the words. The problem is not that I don't know that. The problem is that I can't help it. I tried. When I talk I understand myself perfectly. When I talk slow I sound stupid to myself.
When I was in first grade I went to a special school that helped me to speak slowly. But after that first school year we moved to another city and I got into a class I wasn't really welcomed in. Through that all I learned in the year before was gone. Since then I am dealing with that.
Once people know me they can deal with my cluttering. But people who don't know me have troubles.

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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:01 AM
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1. Oh. I realize I've met and worked with folks with this disorder.
I just figured they were kinda goofy. Sorry. Thanks for enlightenment.
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:04 AM
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2. I haven't met any other people with this disorder yet
and not everything in that Wiki article is fitting me.

When you meet those people ask them nicely to speak slowly. Most times they will at least try. That is what I do. I normally tell people to interrupt me when I speak too fast.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:48 AM
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3. G'day, MissH!
:hi: :hug:

Does this mean that you're not going into politics? :P
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:05 AM
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4. Good morning Brewman
:hi: :hug:

I doubt it ... On the other hand the Wiki article says Otto von Bismarck and Winston Churchill were clutterers :shrug:
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:25 AM
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5. That's some very famous company
and I finally got to work today. Seems that the rain likes to interfere with our Metro system. Also, I saw all of the vacation pictures. The land of the ancient (and present-day) Persians looks absolutely fascinating!
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:27 AM
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6. How heavy is it raining in Atlanta?????
I mean I know you can't handle snow but rain?? :P

There are more to come next week. I still have to post pictures of Esfahan, Shiraz and Persepolis. We saw so much in those two weeks, I told you I would spam you with pictures.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:38 AM
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7. Go figure
we have trouble with rain, snow, and clear weather! :rofl:

More vacation pics coming up! :woohoo:
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:40 AM
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8. ROFL
yeah, that pretty much sums it up :rofl:

The pics have to wait till Tuesday. I leave in 20 minutes for a long weekend at my mom's place. Pentecost is coming up :D
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:55 AM
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21. Schönes Pfingstwochenende, Miss Honeychurch!
Weather is looking a bit better today, isn't it?
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 11:57 AM
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9. I think you sound interesting, Miss H
I have met a few people in my time who sounded as if they were clutterers. That's the first time I've heard someone put a name to it.

I understood you for the most part when we talked. The parts that I didn't understand too well I chalked up to your accent. But even if I missed a word here and there I got the general idea of what you were saying.

I think I have the opposite problem. I talk too slow. People here in the states call it a southern drawl. I don't know how I got it because I live in Ohio which is a northern state. :) Actually, I do have an idea. My grandparents on my dad's side were originally from the south. I spent a lot of time with them when I was little and I may have picked up on some of their speech mannerisms that stayed with me into adulthood.

But, yeah, I speak slower than average and even when I have something important to say people sometimes change the subject right in the middle of what I'm saying or I lose them due to disinterest. The worst part of it is that some people take it to mean that I'm dumb.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 12:11 PM
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10. same here - once I read the definition, it seemed as if I'd also met a few people
who "clutter". Or are "clutterers" if that terminology is correct.

If you're fluent in more than one language, is the difficulty the same with each language? I wonder. Because it seems stutterers don't have as much trouble singing; I wonder if changing native language is any help, because often when learning a new language you have to really slow down before you speak ...

:shrug:
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 12:17 PM
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11. I don't know about the multi-lingual deal
MissHoneychurch speaks English like she knows it almost as well as her native tongue. Maybe she'll chime in here later.
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:21 AM
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27. It is the same for me in German and English
it doesn't matter which language I speak.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:47 PM
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12. Sounds a bit like the kind of speech pattern exhibited by the late, great Hunter Thompson.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:57 PM
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13. I think one of my workmates speaks in Clutter
She speaks very rapidly and interjects tangent thoughts all the time. It makes me think she's thinking too many things at once, but I think she's just cluttering now that I've read the definition.

The way I deal with it is that I stop listening to every word and just catch the gist of what she's saying. It's a trick I learned while listening to foreigners with thick accents. If you can just kind of catch a few words most of the time you can understand what people are saying. I think of it as listening in passive mode.

When I talk to people who don't understand English too well I will say the same thing again but use different words. The more words used to explain the same thing the more chance a few of those words will be understood.

I deal with foreigners a lot.

Maybe there's a term for what I do too.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:34 PM
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14. Something you may or not know. I tend to clutter myself. My parents had me tested..
...when I was quite young and one unusual thing to come out of the testing was...my reactions to standard stimuli are
40-80 percent faster than the norm. Aside for driving it does make for neat fun.>
You know the trick where someone holds a Twenty dollar bill in between your fingers and says "If you can catch it in your fingers
before if passes through your fingers, It's Yours!?" (99.4 percent of Humans can't do it)

My Friends don't let me participate in that game anymore. :) :)

My point is..Maybe we just think faster ???? :)
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:43 AM
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16. That damned bebop music hops up your mind like them drugs do.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:29 AM
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22. LOL!...Yep...and nobody knows what the hell you're doing if you...
...play Bebop while doing drugs. :)

Quick story...Years ago when I was in a "Chicago-type" band, Me (sax) and the Trombone and Trumpet player took a hit each of
Acid one night. We got bored in one set so we thought we would "Experiment" in one song, Beginnings. (yeah right).

We started playing in different keys just to see what it sounded like. To us it sounded like "Really, Really Cool"

After the song, we turned to each other and said "Man, that was BEAUTIFUL!!!"

The other guys in the band said "Jesus Christ!...What the holy fuck was THAT SHIT !!!! "

Oh well...Those were fun days. :)
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:23 PM
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23. Hey, somebody shot some video of that gig!
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:20 PM
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24. Damn..Although I did like the part where the F#dim chord sounded like a chicken in a cement mixer.
:)
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:42 PM
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15. I've talked to you at least three times.
You do talk fast(I do too).:)
I really enjoyed our conversations and besides the accent,I didn't think that you sounded odd at all.:hug:
We need to do another call. :loveya:
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:24 AM
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28. Thanks Sky
Well, you know I am nutz :evilgrin:

I am glad to hear that you had no problems understanding me :hug:

And yes, another phone call is in order.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:58 AM
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17. I have partied with you, and never got that impression. You were fine....
Edited on Sat May-22-10 01:03 AM by Robeson
...you were probably tired of me running my mouth, though...;-)
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:26 AM
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29. Good to know
for the next time we party :D

And no, I loved the conversation the three of us had. Please say hello to Mrs. Robeson from me.
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:12 AM
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18. Occasionally, when working phone customer service...
.
...I've gotten callers who speak really, really FAST.
.
If I could SEE their lips, I would have a much better chance of
following what they were saying.
.
In extreme cases, I'll ask them to slow down.
.
Seriously... more often than not... they get angry.
.
I have heard, "THIS IS HOW I TALK" much more than once.
.
And I have had them DEMAND to be transferred to someone "WHO
CAN UNDERSTAND ME!!!!!

.
Oh, thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou.
.
Even when I apologize and tell them it's not THEIR fault... it's ME
who can't HEAR that fast... most stay angry and offended.
.
.
.
My name's Finger...Finger Gump.
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:33 AM
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30. Sorry to hear you had those experiences
I for my part try to slow down when asked. I know it is my fault
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:54 AM
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19. I'll keep that in mind, should I ever actually hear your voice. nm
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:34 AM
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31. I hope we do one day Richard
I hope we do.
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clyrc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:06 AM
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20. I never noticed when I met you
You sounded ok to me.
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:34 AM
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32. Thank you clyrc
that is good to know.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:26 PM
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25. I have conduction aphasia. Sometimes I don't understand or cannot be understood.
I do very well when I am speaking in a group situation or talking to an active listener pt talking about something concrete.
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:37 AM
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33. I think for me it is the other way around
I tend to be quiet in groups as I am afraid no one will understand me. Because when I am excited and really really wanna tell something my speech tends to get even more cluttering.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:18 PM
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26. I understand you fine when I've talked with you.
Anyone who can speak two languages fluently has my total admiration.

Plus you have a sexy voice...:evilgrin:
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:37 AM
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34. Thanks cwydro
:D

:blush:
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