TV Show LOST (Spoiler) DONT OPEN IF YOU HAVENT SEEN

[brettdale]

So they were all freakin ghosts and dead, waiting to get into heaven?????

Are the writers still on strike, and did they get some high school kids to write the ending?


Seriously how lazy are these writers?

[slay]

1. Read the other "official" threads on this topic here and maybe you'll get a better appreciation

for the ending. :shrug:

[SoxFan]

2. I didn't interpret it that way

Listen closely to Christian Sheppard. He never says "Jack, you're dead, welcome to heaven". He's more cryptic. It's well, yeah, you died, everyone dies, some sooner, some later. He also hints that they are someplace where time isn't the linear creature we expect.

Also, remember where we saw the church before. It was a Dharma station (the Lamppost). Dharma was fascinated by electromagnetism and distortions in the space/time continuum. I'm betting that this place is some sort of anomaly that exists outside of what we think of as time. The sideways Losties aren't "dead"; they can walk out the door, like Hurley did, and resume their existence in that reality.

The sideways alter-verse Losties have had their conssciousnesses merged with those of their counterparts in the island universe, however.

[brettdale]

3. I still say its lazy writing

Its like, the finale was written by some freeper.

Why give it a religious type ending (not thats theres anything wrong with that)

[SoxFan]

7. Um, because the show has had spiritual undercurrents since the start?

JJ Abrams, Carlton Cuse, and Damon Lindeloff are all Democrats, by the way.

[XemaSab]

15. And to back that up, I think it's one of the most liberal shows ever

It's left up to you to decide who the bad guys are.

Michael, Ben, Ana Lucia, WTFlocke, Widmore, Eloise, Sayid, Sawyer, Kate... Yeah, they were all jerks, but at the end of the day they all had something going for them.

I would argue that Keamy and the original Sawyer are the only 100% evil people on the island.

This is a SUPER liberal perspective: almost nobody is all bad.

[MorningGlow]

21. I have gotten sick of the nonstop meme

of "redemption" (one that all of Hollywood has now adopted as the main theme for all entertainment that they produce, apparently), but in this case it applies. Lost was based on the premise that almost everyone is basically good, but sometimes they need to be given a chance to change and let that goodness prevail. And having other people around you who care and believe in your basic goodness helps it come to the fore. Sounds good to me.

[Green_Lantern]

25. Live together die alone is definitely not a tea party slogan....

And don't forget the DONKEY wheel.

[XemaSab]

35. And as someone pointed out

Nobody died alone. :(

[Green_Lantern]

24. it wasn't technically religious...it didn't advocate for god or religion..

The show has always been about faith in things having a deeper meaning than sensory perception.

[Dorian Gray]

33. Because there were religious themes

strung throughout. Did you see Mr. Eko's storyline at all?

Good vs. Evil with Jacob vs. MIB?

Redemption/etc.

The writers were very upfront that they were telling a tale of morality inspired by their religious beliefs in interviews leading up to the finale.

[MorningGlow]

4. No.

According to the writers, what happened on the island actually happened to those people in the story. At the end, yes, all the Losties in the church were dead, but they didn't all die at the same time; according to Christian, some died before Jack, some shortly after, some long after (the church/Otherworld is outside of time). They had gathered to help Jack transition to the Otherworld as he was dying after offing Smoky and replacing the cork to save the island. They were not ghosts.

Look up "soul group" or "soul family" to understand the concept better.

Speaking as a writer myself, I can say without doubt that the LOST writers were FAR from lazy. Indeed, they are some of the most industrious, creative, and brilliant writers I have come across, in any medium, in a long time. It takes a lot of talent and sweat to create a world like that, write mostly killer scripts for six years, and then wrap it all up with such a lovely ending. If you want to criticize, you try it first and see how well you do.

On edit: clarity

[Crazy Dave]

5. And it was a hell of lot better ending than "The Sopranos"

:hi:

[MorningGlow]

6. I don't have HBO

And so missed the phenomenon that was The Sopranos. My low-tide mark for crappy series enders was Seinfeld, unfortunately. I loved the series, but kee-rist, that last episode...
:wtf:

[Taverner]

9. I disagree. I think you are more or less correct

Consider Sawyer meeting the real Sawyer...

Consider all of the 'coincidences'

[soleft]

11. MorningGlow I am digging all of your posts

You get it. :)

[MorningGlow]

13. ...

:hi:

[Kajsa]

27. MorningGlow, you GET this.

:thumbsup:

As an English teacher, I was very impressed with the
many references to famous philosophers(Locke,Rousseau,etc)
writers and other great minds in history.

These guys( writers) were extremely well read, and did NOT
alter their scripts to "dumb it down" to the audience.
It was just the opposite, they even stated that in the preshow
interviews Sunday.
Now that is damn refreshing!

They made us think, even if it drove us crazy sometimes.

:)

[MorningGlow]

28. Aw, thanks, Kajsa. I'm a former English teacher myself

B.A. in creative writing/English lit and an M.A.T. in high school English (for which I had to take a number of college-level English lit courses). Nice to know I can still ANALYZE THE FUCK (technical term) out of any piece of fiction handed to me, even a TV series.
:rofl:

[Kajsa]

30. LOL!

Yes you can!

:rofl: :hi:

[Bucky]

8. I have the same problem with "2001: A Space Odyssy." So it's all a space baby? Really? WTF?

What? Wait... Bruce Willis was dead all along? What lame-assed way to ruin what had been a perfectly good murder mystery. I swear, all of those Hollywood writers are just on drugs.

And what the hell is it with Carrie? Did Stephen King even bother to plan that book out? First she's sexually repressed, and then all of a sudden she's got telekinetic super-powers, but it's only triggered by being covered in pig's blood? That shit doesn't even make sense! What a lazy ass writer that King dude is.

[brettdale]

10. Im sticking with my opinion

They could of gone so many ways with it.

Oh well theres 24 to look forward too!

[Bucky]

12. Gotcha. You hate lazy writing, so you're watching 24 instead.

Wilco. Out.

[brettdale]

14. Well at least im guessing

Jack and chole have been alive for the whole eight years, and its not a test for them.

[stray cat]

20. most people do

[WillParkinson]

26. They could have gone so many ways with it...

Which way would have made you happy? And would that have made everyone else happy, too? Guess you cannot please everyone all the time. :-)

[XemaSab]

16. "Carrie" reference FTW

"Ben wouldn't read this in the bathroom."

[Lindsey]

17. Morning Glory, I thought of Soul Groups immediately. People's

understanding or not understanding of the show is telling regarding where everyone is on their path. Most of my best friends and I believe in Soul Groups, parallel universes, other dimensions, etc. This show nailed it like nothing I've ever seen (as least according to my beliefs). I wasn't able to watch it in real time because I worked evenings so I borrowed all the seasons (except six, of course) in the past two weeks and watched them all. Truly, mind boggling.....

[XemaSab]

18. You responded to the wrong person

but I'll respond to your post.

I think that anyone can come up with an explanation that fits their religious perspective.

I have not previously been familiar with the soul group concept, but I think it would explain a lot. I also think the Catholic concept of purgatory ties in well.

I lean towards pagan thinking within a daoist framework, myself, and the refusal of the show to pin things (or people) down as good or bad appeals to my way of understanding the world.

How can you find better opposites than the honest Hurley and the deceitful Ben? They don't seem to share much on the surface, but they both wrestle with the questions of the limits of responsibility for other people, and in the end Hurley has to learn to lead, and Ben has to learn to follow.

[MorningGlow]

22. Right?!

I'm tellin' ya, I was tickled pink, giggling like a schoolgirl, at how well they did it. :)

[stray cat]

19. Not a spoiler as the information is wrong

[Green_Lantern]

23. I liked it, I think the writers of the show spent 6 seasons..

Trying to make the show both entertaining and a story with meaning. However making it entertaining is what takes precedence. They needed to keep our attention.

What are the odds to be stranded with women who look like Ana Lucia, Kate, Claire, Sun, and that Nikki girl?

[XemaSab]

31. Not to mention men like

Jack, Sawyer, Jin, Boone, Miles, Richard, et al.

[Bucky]

29. New Rule: you don't get to bitch about "lazy writers" if you're a lazy viewer and missed the plot

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. I only saw years 2-4 or 5 so I was frequently pretty confused and by the time

6 came along I felt like it would be too much work to try and catch up again. So I may have been one of the few people out there who didn't watch the finale.

Maybe someday I will try watching all the series epis back-to-back. I hated the long gaps of waiting during the seasons. I kept forgetting things by the time the show came back on again, so maybe watching them closer together will help.

[Lindsey]

34. I definetly recommend watching it from the very first show and

watching it in order. It's very spiritual and that's probably why I was so dazzled by it.