LOST - the final final scene

[Duer 157099]

At the very very end they showed plane wreckage on a beach. Is that supposed to be the original plane, or the one that Frank was flying at the end?

[Mojambo]

1. I've been wondering about that.

I want it to be the one Frank was flying, but we'll never know.

This would also make it so that the ONLY one to die off island would have been Desmond, right?

Which would sort of explain why he was the one in the sideways that was orchestrating everyone else's enlightenment.

[graywarrior]

2. Frank was not among the Oceanic group at the church

Neither was Miles nor Richard.

[Duer 157099]

6. They were probably at the church down the road

I would imagine that everybody's priorities would differ in terms of who they want to spend the immediate afterlife with. Maybe Frank, Miles and Richard had higher priorities with other groups, or they weren't that high on Jack's list?

[graywarrior]

26. Maybe they were with Jacob!

[tishaLA]

10. Locke also died off island. Ben killed him nt

[Z_I_Peevey]

3. I took it to be the original plane wreckage

existing in the Lost-present, much like the Black Rock existed on the island when the Losties got there. The wreckage awaits the next crew of Losties to discover and puzzle over.

[Taverner]

4. This is why I think L O S T was all a final hallucination of Jack's

They all really died that day, and the entire six seasons is them letting go of life...

[Duer 157099]

5. No, I don't think so

Because why would he hallucinate these intricate relationships with people he had never met, except that they were plane mates?

No, I think that the only "hallucination" was the sideways world, where they each lived their idealized version of how their lives would have turned out. But they did forge real relationships on the island as survivors of the plane crash.

The sideways-world is much more likely to be their dying hallucinations, because everything there had a happy ending.

[Taverner]

22. When you die, and if your brain survives - you go into a dream state

Your brain is used to this - when you sleep your body is cut off from the brain. This is why in a dream you don't actually walk around but yet you dream of it.

[MorningGlow]

7. Taverner, I will hound you in all L O S T threads till the end of time

on this sole point. Swear to Taweret. The writers have said that what happened on the island REALLY HAPPENED IN THE STORY and it is not the Twilight Zone-esque notion "they all died in the plane crash".

So. L E T. I T. G O. A L R E A D Y.

[Taverner]

11. Just because they said that doesn't mean its the truth

The Beatles used to say none of their songs were about drugs - only later do we realize that "Help from my Friends" is about getting weed, "Got To Get you into My Life" is also about weed, "Dr Robert" is about Bob Dylan - who gave them weed for the first time, and "Tomorrow Never Knows" was about John's first trip on acid.

"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" was not about LSD - but who knows? Even that may have been a lie.

All I am saying is watching the last episode - the eye - Sawyer meeting the real Sawyer - Hell, Locke meeting his father after he slammed into a divider going 100mph - all of these things lead me to think this is a collective hallucination the folks on the flight are having before they die.

[MorningGlow]

12. Yeah, all right

The writers who created the world and wrote the story don't know what they're talking about. (Hint: Not like the Beatles--Lindelof and Cuse have nothing to hide for fear of legal prosecution...just persecution by their alleged "fans", apparently.) Jay-zus... :eyes:

[Taverner]

13. Come on - they might have been f'ing with us on Kimmel!

Seriously - this is the guy who gave us 'Alias' FFS!

[MorningGlow]

15. Yeah, but Abrams hasn't been involved with the show in a long time, right?

At the 2009 Hawaii International Film Festival, Lindelof stated that Abrams watches Lost as a fan, seeing the episodes for the first time as they air, and has "expressed an interest and curiosity in how the show is going to end."<6> Abrams is still credited as an executive producer of the show as of Season 5. Abrams will not be involved with Season 6, as he thinks that Damon and Carlton themselves should finish what they have been doing with the show. (The Lostpedia Interview:Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof) He also rejected the idea of directing the series finale, since he thinks Jack Bender has earned himself that right.<7>

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/J.J._Abrams

[Taverner]

16. Yes - but remember they devised the end of the series as a team

Of course, to play Devil's Advocate against myself, how much of that is true, and if so, how true were they to the original pact?

[MorningGlow]

17. LOL you're not trusting anyone, are you?

That'll get ya tied in knots!

Here's more, from Kristin dos Santos on E! Online--she's tight with Lindelof and Cuse:

Hope This Helps: I'm seeing a lot of confusion on this out there, so want to point it out that I firmly believe the Losties did not all die in the plane crash or on the island. (emphasis hers) They were alive on the island. They all died at different times and in different places (some on the island; some off). This final season was about them being in a holding pattern (the Sideways world) after they died, and Desmond showing them all that they are in fact dead and it's time to move forward with the ones they love. They needed each other to "Remember and to move on."

Jack died on the island. Kate, Claire, Lapidus, Sawyer, Miles and Richard all left the island and lived out their lives. (Jack saw their plane taking off safely as he died.) When Kate saw Jack in the church, on their way to the afterlife (The Light), she told him how much she had missed him, because she probably lived on many years once she got off the island.

When Hurley and Ben meet up, they reference that Hurley "was a great number one" and Ben was a "great number two." That's because they lived on the island after Jack died to protect it, presumably for many years. Ben says he's not yet ready to move on because he doesn't feel he's ready to cross over (or doesn't yet deserve to).

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b182506_lost_redux_see_you_in_another_life.html#ixzz0otISLk8l

[Taverner]

34. I re-watched it and had a thought

I am convinced the 'parallel story' to the Island was all in Jack's mind.

Now, both the Island and the parallel story might have been in his mind, but for sure the parallel story was

[MorningGlow]

35. Maaaayyybeee...

Then again, there's also the belief that an infinite variety of realities are occurring at the same time--the ol' parallel universe thing. So BOTH the island reality and the sideways reality might have actually happened. :evilgrin:

[Taverner]

37. Perhaps - but in the end we are to choose one universe as real

Remember Schroedinger's Cat

[MorningGlow]

38. Sure

One in each universe.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Sebastian Doyle]

28. My dad tried to tell me that "Hey Jude" was about shooting heroin

based on the single line "the minute you let her under your skin, then you begin to make it better". Of course that theory pretty much falls apart because McCartney wrote that song, and he never tried the needle. If John had written it, then it might have been a plausible theory.

[Taverner]

33. Hey Jude was actually a song to Julian Lennon, then about 5 or 6

And his parents getting a divorce - they just changed the name from 'Jules' to 'Jude'

[TCJ70]

27. Then why didn't they show Jack in the suit he left Sydney in?

The only time we saw them in an afterlife was in the "parallel" timeline...which wasn't really parallel.

[MorningGlow]

8. It's the original crash scene

Just an homage to the original Losties and their adventures.

[Duer 157099]

9. That makes the most sense. Also because it was after the end

it takes it out of the story and puts it firmly into reality (insofar as that's possible in a fictional TV show!).

[Taverner]

14. Wait - the smoke monster, the hatch, the polar bears, HANSO and all puts it into reality?????

Seasons 1-6 were the last thoughts of either Jack as he died in that crash, or a collective dream all of the Losties had when they were breathing their last breath.

Anything else just doesn't jive with the episodes

[Duer 157099]

18. So you believe that whoever you are in physical proximity with at death

will be the subject(s) of your final hallucinations about life?

Really? That guy sitting in the seat four rows ahead and to the left, that guy is who you are gonna hallucinate about during your dying moments?

Well maybe you, but not me. I hope.

[Taverner]

19. No I don't, but the writers might have...

[MorningGlow]

20. I think I've figured you out, T

You don't WANT the island to be "real" (in the realm of their fictional world). So...what...you feel more comfortable as long as such fantastical fiction is firmly locked in someone's addled, delusional, dying brain? Interesting...I think that says more about what you're capable of handling than what the writers did or did not accomplish.

[Taverner]

21. Perhaps - check out my post on death in the lounge

You'll understand what I believe

I haven't ruled out the idea of collective hallucination - but I see no evidence for it either

[unpossibles]

31. disagree 1,000,000%

It makes no sense if everything was a dream, plus that's the worst cop out ever.

[Bucky]

23. I'm surprised anyone could seriously consider it's anything but the original 815 debris

There's enough unresolved mysteries. Why concoct bogus ones?

[Mojambo]

24. Here's a question.

What exactly did those castaways who did escape on the Ajira plane say when they arrived back in civilization? I would imagine that there would be a lot of people with questions.

[XemaSab]

29. Especially Sawyer and Claire

:P

[Initech]

25. I think the original flight 815 is the one at the bottom of the ocean. (massive spoiler theory!)

And if they're all dead then the wreckage they showed was Frank's plane - the one they flew back to the island. What they don't explain is that there's many ways they all could have died - whether it's the flaming arrows, whether it's Dharma, whether it's the nuke - that's what they don't explain!

[MilesColtrane]

30. Random musing:

If the island's light hole is the source of life and rebirth, why would putting it out make fLocke powerless?

He is, after all, the antithesis of the light...pure evil.

He even stated the desire to extinguish the light by destroying the island. That's not something you would do if you wanted to maintain, or increase, your power.

Yet, when the light is temporarily blocked Locke loses his powers and becomes mortal.

Just another Bronx cheer to the fans from the writers.

[MorningGlow]

36. Because Fake Locke was wrong

Extinguishing the light did indeed imperil the island (as it started to fall apart), but he didn't know that it would affect him (and Richard) that way, turning him mortal.

I didn't see it as a Bronx cheer at all. Made sense to me. :shrug:

[CBGLuthier]

39. The writers must have seen Big Trouble in Little China

Had to wait until Lo Pan became flesh before he could be killed.

Why didn't they just let him leave if he was mortal? How would it have caused everyone to cease to exist?


Lots of bad writing and leaves Babylon Five as the ONLY television show to have a multi-year plan in advance and not just pulling it out of their asses.

[unpossibles]

32. it looked like the original wreck

but I don't think it implies that it was all a dream, so much as it just being an homage to the first crash.

[MorningGlow]

40. More info

"Newsflash to anyone still thinking that all the Losties died when Oceanic 815 hit the island:

Those final images of Sunday night's series finale—of the plane wreckage on the island with no survivors—were not the producers' doing.

The show's ABC rep just told me:

"The images shown during the end credits of the Lost finale, which included shots of Oceanic 815 on a deserted beach, were not part of the episode but were a visual aid to allow the viewer to decompress before heading into the news." The statement was first acquired by the Los Angeles Times.

The images were added by the network, not Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, to soften the transition to the 11:00 news."

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b182886_lost_more_proof_they_did_not_all_die_in.html?cmpid=sn-000000-twitterfeed-365-kristin&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=twitterfeed&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_kristin#ixzz0ozVF32CW