RUSH SUX....

[Parche]

that is all....:woohoo::hi:

[KamaAina]

1. Never been much of a fan

plus he seems to have spawned a whole bunch of wannabes like Insannity, Savage Weiner, Beckkk, etc. :P

[jobycom]

2. No way, man, they are awesome.

After training Jimi Hendrix and George Harrison, they've gone nowhere but up. Rumors is one of the best albums of the rock ages, and their "Wall" album and animated film are landmarks in prog rock and in adult rock animated film making.

They won the Stanley Cup in 1971, also. Pretty damn cool for a group of former Jesuit monks.

[Forkboy]

3. ....

:rofl:

I like the band, but that's a fucking funny post. ;)

[carlyhippy]

4. I like a couple of songs on "Permanent Waves", but that is about it

wait....which rush are you talking about, the band, the fat dude who talks too much, or the hockey team??? LOL

[TZ]

5. Someone's jealous

Cause they know how much I LOVES me some Geddy Lee. Seeing him in the flesh (if at a far distance) was incredible..:loveya:
But dude, not only are they extremely talented and entertaining musicians, they are really really funny...Their little between set videos were pretty funny..Geddy Lee reminds me of Jon Stewart with his wit sometimes...:)

[Archae]

6. They need the bum's rush...

Because they are no-talent bums who rip off just about anyone.

[Rocinante]

7. Interesting

They have no talent-nonsense. They rip off just about anyone. Who specifically?

I have never been able to associate their sound with any other band.

What other bands are they ripping off?

[Archae]

8. Journey, for one.

[Rocinante]

9. That would be a valid argument

if it was a valid argument. Where was Journey during the early days of Rush when Rush was doing all

of their science fiction epics? Yep that's right they were on top 40 radio. NEXT

[pepperbear]

12. +1

[TZ]

16. +2

Rush waaay predates Journey. They actually have influenced quite a few modern bands with their music- Smashing Pumpkins and Billy Corgan is one in particular who will tell you that

[pepperbear]

11. Nah, sorry. Don't know what you're getting at.

To clarify, Rush and Journey couldn't be farther apart. Whether you like the band or not is irrelevant. I would never ask you to account for taste, but at least have your facts straight.

If you're trying to say they nicked the high vocals, that's a shame because helium boy Steve Perry joined Journey in 1977, 3 years after geddy was already singing into the stratosphere. It couldn't be the drums they nicked, because journey didn't get a real virtuoso until they hired steve smith in 1978, 3 years after neil joined rush. It couldn't be the songs, because rush writes intricate progressive rock, and journey writes radio ready hits with harmonies and hooks, plus they use the keys in an entirely different way.

to be accurate, rush were first compared to Zeppelin when they started, and that quickly ended when neil joined the band and they started quoting tolkien. By the way, journey doesn't suck, but they never appealed to me. But bless their little cotton socks, those boys can play their instruments! I give credit where credit is due.

:hi:

[PVnRT]

23. To be fair, Journey started out as a kind of jazz-fusion rock band

The transition to radio-friendly started when Perry joined up.

[NoGOPZone]

25. Anysley Dunbar drummed with Journey pre Steve Smith

IMHO, he's one of the top rock drummers ever.

[jobycom]

10. They always sound derivative.

They sound like whatever band was supposed to be cool at whatever period they were recording. Yes, Jethro Tull, Led Zepplin, the Who. Some bands sound like they are creating music, and others sound like they are trying to sound like bands who create music. Rush has always been the latter, which is why they have more support from a small group of fans than from fellow musicians.

They aren't quite a cover band--they are more original than that, at least--but their music is written to sound like what they think music sounds like, instead of to be music. They are skilled enough with their instruments, but that's not the same thing as talent. I can hear why some people like them, but I don't hear enough to make me like them.

Funny thing--my daughter is 17, and a rock afficianado. She can tell you more about the history of rock than most of us who lived through it. Her choir teacher at school regularly calls on her when he forgets something. So the first time she heard Tom Sawyer, her eyes widened and her jaw dropped, and she said "This is amazing." Halfway through the song she changed the station, saying "That got old quick." A few months ago we were driving home and a new song by Rush came on--they said it was off an upcoming album. So we listened. Exact same reaction--she first said "That's better than their old stuff," then changed it halfway through saying "They sound like a highschool band trying to sound like a rock band."

I smiled so big. :)

[Rocinante]

14. Really?

I've seen the bands you named in concert, some more than once and I have a lot of their albums.

I don't get any of their sound at all from Rush. But what the hell, I like the bands you like

even if you don't like Rush. :hi:

[jobycom]

24. I just googled "rush sounds like led zepplin" and got a ton of matches

"Rush began life as a pedestrian Led Zeppelin clone, with shades of early Blue Öyster Cult in the rhythm guitar work."
"Much of the music is second-rate Zep clone material, with ugly, ugly lyrics."
(This was only a review of the first album, not the entire lexicon of Rush)
http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=rush-rush

"As previously stated, the music often sounds like something that would’ve been recorded by Led Zeppelin in the time period that their first two albums were released. Bassist/vocalist Geddy Lee often sounds like Robert Plant on helium and even outdoes him with the wails..."
http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3557 (also about their first album)



From Wikipedia (linking to other sources, so you can't blame Wikipedia for it):


" the band released their self-titled debut album in 1974, which was considered highly derivative of Led Zeppelin."

"Rush's musical style has changed substantially over the years. Their debut album was strongly influenced by British blues rock: an amalgam of sounds and styles from such rock bands as Cream, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple. Over the first few albums their style remained essentially hard rock, with heavy influences from The Who<66> and Led Zeppelin <9> but also became increasingly influenced by bands of the British progressive rock movement.<67> In the tradition of progressive rock, Rush wrote protracted songs with irregular and multiple time signatures combined with fantasy/science fiction-inspired lyrics; however, they did not soften their sound. This fusion of hard and progressive rock continued until the end of the 1970s. In the 1980s, Rush successfully merged their sound with the trends of this period, experimenting with New Wave, reggae and pop rock.<68> This period included the band's most extensive use of instruments such as synthesizers, sequencers and electronic percussion. With the approach of the early '90s and Rush's character sound still intact, the band transformed their style once again to harmonize with the alternative rock movement.<69> The new millennium has seen them return to a more rock and roll roots sound, albeit with modern production.<66>"

"Geddy Lee's high-register vocal style has always been a signature of the band — and sometimes a focal point for criticism, especially during the early years of Rush's career when Lee's vocals were high-pitched, with a strong likeness to other singers like Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin.<78> Although his voice has softened over the years, it is often described as a "wail".<78><79> "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_(band)

I think I saw all of them except Jethro Tull in concert, including Rush, way back when. May have seen Jethro Tull--I was a big fan, and have some recollection of seeing them, but I used to go every concert that came through Mississippi, and I don't remember all of them.

[TZ]

17. Tin Ear just like her daddy

My BIL commented on how one of their new songs (Caravan) has yet ANOTHER type of genre influencing them: SteamPunk. And he DOES know music my BIL--he actually likes more stuff than I do.
And my stepfather is a drummer who I have listened to for many years who agrees with me about Rush. But then he's an ACTUAL MUSICIAN what the fuck does he know about music (his band played once with Cream, so he is VERY knowledgeable)
Joby just stop- your opinion is your opinion but its really not based on musioal reality where Rush is considered extremely technically skilled and quite versatile in their sound.
At the concert I went to Saturday I saw age groups from young children up to people in their 50's and 60's at what looked to be if not sold out than close to it...The only concerts before I have seen such a large appeal to different ages are the Rolling Stones and The Who.
Haters can hate, but Rush is a very influential and talented rock band. I've said it before you haven't actually bothered to listen to Snakes and Arrows have you? Thats my favorite and extremely sophisticated in terms of lyrics.

[jobycom]

26. I've probably heard Snakes and Arrows.

The local indie rock station here plays a lot of them, although some of their DJs seem to have the same opinion I do of them. I listen when I hear something new. Heck, I listen to the old stuff to see if I'm wrong, largely because of you going on about them. I hear things now and then I like, but it usually only lasts for part of a song, then it all starts sounding the same by the end.

My kid's music/choir/history of rock teacher plays several instruments in a couple of bands. One of the recordings he worked on was nominated for a Grammy a while back. He has a lot of friends in the music business, including a couple of big names he drops now and then. Austin is a big music center because of the music festivals and recording studios here, plus he used to play in Chicago (the city, not the band) so he's met and worked with some big names. My kid says his musical tastes and opinions are so similar to mine it's erie, considering we've never met and have very different backgrounds.

He hates Rush. Talks about them the same way I do, and claims most musicians he knows feel the same way. That's why their not in the HoF yet (they will be, they are too big an act to exclude them), because so many people in the industry think they are derivative and nerdy.

So you don't have to agree with my opinion. There are plenty of reasons to like them. The Rolling Stones have never been particularly original, either, and I like them (although they do have a musical sense that makes even their derivative stuff sound good). Peart is an amazingly skilled drummer, and Geddy Lee's bass work is good. Even his voice works for me sometimes. But my opinion is not based on ignorance, and I'm not close to the only one with it.

[MilesColtrane]

13. Errr...

A modern day warrior
Mean, mean sound
Today's Mark Twain
Not Ezra Pound

Though the singer sounds pneumatic
Don't put him down as aquatic
Donald Duck never made
Sounds so brocade
The quiver

What you say about his company
Is what you say about that dog humpin' me
Catch the drift, Geddy wears lifts
Catch the irony, light a spliff

The world's not, the world's not
Randian spew from Canadian snots
Maybe the box set will pay for their boats

Today's Mark Twain
He'll never be heard
And the blog he posts
Will be dropped like a turd

No his mind is not too sharp
Kind of like a carp
Always hopeful, yet unfocused
Full of pop philosphy hocus
Butt changes

[Systematic Chaos]

15. Wow, you're just so not funny!

[MilesColtrane]

22. OK, I'll admit that my little parody is no "By-Tor and the Snow Dog",...

but what is?



I. at the tobes of hades
The tobes of hades
Lit by flickering torchlight
The netherworld is gathered in the glare
Prince by-tor takes the cavern
To the north light
The sign of eth is rising in the air
By-tor, knight of darkness,
Centurion of evil
Devils prince

Ii. across the styx
Across the river styx
Out of the lamplight
His nemesis is waiting at the gate
The snow dog, ermine glowing
In the damp night
Coal-black eyes shimmering with hate
By-tor and the snow dog
Square for battle
Let the fray begin

Iii. of the battle

Instrumental

Iv. epilogue
The battles over
And the dust is clearing
Disciples of the snow dog sound the knell
Rejoicing echoes
As the dawn is nearing
By-tor in defeat
Retreats to hell
Snow dog is victorious
The land of the overworld
Is saved again

[TZ]

18. Yes, if every song isn't brilliant then they SUCK

Red Sector A:
All that we can do is just survive
All that we can do to help ourselves is stay alive

Ragged lines of ragged grey
Skeletons, they shuffle away
Shouting guards and smoking guns
Will cut down the unlucky ones

I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed
A wound that will not heal
A heart that cannot feel
Hoping that the horror will recede
Hoping that tomorrow we'll all be freed

Sickness to insanity
Prayer to profanity
Days and weeks and months go by
Don't feel the hunger
Too weak to cry

I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gate
Are the liberators here?
Do I hope or do I fear?
For my father and my brother, it's too late
But I must help my mother stand up straight

Are we the last ones left alive?
Are we the only human beings to survive


One of the most POWERFUL songs I have ever heard. How many rock bands can write a serious song about the Holocaust and pull it off. Not many.

[Tobin S.]

19. JAZZ SUX

[MilesColtrane]

21. JAZZ IS DEAD

[dawg]

20. Rush is a great band.

For whatever reason, the "cool kids" in the rock press decided long ago that the progressive rock bands were pariahs to be hated on for all of eternity. I have yet to figure out why. Did the bass player from King Crimson steal one of their girlfriends or something? Who knows.

[Swede]

27. Funny how unintelligent folks follow the pack.

Oh well.

[madinmaryland]

28. Error: You can't recommend threads from this forum