What ever became of Mary O'Dare? Member of the Bonnie & Clyde gang.

[Kaleva]

I was doing some research on the medicare revenue shortfall for a post I was going to submit in GD when I got sidetracked bigtime. Been google searching for the last hour or so and other then some tidbits about Mary O'Dare getting married several times, I haven't found anything more substantial.

If anyone knows, I'd appreciate it greatly as I can then get back to work on my post about medicare unless I get sidetracked bigtime again.

[SwampG8r]

1. died last year

http://aolanswers.com/questions/happened_mary_odare_862348578153577?#answers

[Kaleva]

3. I had seen that but didn't put any creedance into it.

[suninvited]

2. Very odd

seems she fell off the face of the earth. Now I have spent the last hour searching.

I seriously doubt she died last year in May. AOLanswers has about the same weight as yahoo answers which is that anybody can just say anything they want.

The one thing I did find was a news article in 1993 announcing the death of Ralph Fults and describes him as THE LAST MEMBER of the Bonnie and Clyde gang. This says to me that Mary O'Dare was probably already deceased as I think she would be included in that gang.


BONNIE AND CLYDE GANG MEMBER RALPH SMITH FULTS DIES AT AGE 82
Dallas - March 17, 1993 UPI
A funeral was scheduled Wednesday for Ralph Smith Fults, the last member of the Bonnie
and Clyde gang who later in his life discouraged children from a life of crime. He was 82.
Fultz, who died Monday at his Dallas home, was remembered for his years of robbing banks
with Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker in the 1930s. His later years were spent as a security
guard at a Dallas orphanage. Born in Texas, Fults began his career as a criminal at 14 when
he stole candy from a general store in McKinney, according to author John Neal Phillips,
who wrote about the Barrow gang. Fults met Clyde Barrow while the two were being transported
to prison at Huntsville, Texas. After two years, both were paroled and formed the Barrow gang
in Denton, north of Dallas. In 1935, Fults was arrested and sent to a Mississippi prison for
nine years. He returned to Texas in 1947 and was granted full pardons in 1954. As a security
guard at the orphanage from 1964 to 1984, Fults spoke to youngsters about his conversion to
Christianity and urged them to stay away from crime.

[Kaleva]

4. Briefly famous people who seemingly disappear interest me.

She was married a few times and arrested for narcotics sometime in the late 30's but I've found nothing more about her.

Awhile ago, I spent many hours trying to find info on what happened to a couple who lived near Marquette, Mi. years ago. You may have seen the movie "Anatomy of a Murder" starring James Stewart and the couple I got interested in was the sargent, who had been accused of killing his wife's alleged rapist, and his wife. The best I could find out was they divorced shortly after leaving the area and nothing more then that.

[suninvited]

5. I wrote an email to a

Bonnie and Clyde historian.

I got a response, but he does not know what happened to her either. He tried to contact the person claiming to be her niece, but was unable to. He mentioned posting it on his blog, so maybe that will garner some responses. It seems to be very frequented by many Bonnie and Clyde enthusiasts.

Being from the same area (North Central Texas) as Bonnie and Clyde I read everything I could get my hands on about them when I was younger, but that was pre-internet and I found out so much new stuff about them since you posted this question this morning.

[Kaleva]

8. Cool!

It'd be darn interesting if you ended up being instrumental in finding out the fate of a often over looked member of the Barrow Gang!

[struggle4progress]

6. Rootsweb has some info on the marriages:

Mary Chambless (b. 1913) married Gene O'Dare in 1930. He "was sentenced to life imprisonment on February 2, 1933"
She married Barney Andrew Pitts in 1933. Pitts died "12 Oct 1962 in Great Falls, Montana"
She married Raymond Tilghman in 1937
She married "convict" Fred H. Holmes in 1939

Her mother Mary Elmira Jones (b. 1894) died in 1971
Her father Joseph Norvell Chamblis (b. 1891) died in 1945
Her brother Odell Chambless (b. 1910) "was sentenced to 33 years in prison on March 1, 1933"
Her brother Thomas P. Chambless (b. 1911) ????

She hung out with a rough crowd: her husband and her older brother got long prison sentences in 1933; her one-time guy Raymond Hamilton was executed in 1935 just short of his 22nd birthday. She's on her fourth marriage at 26, and it's to a con. Her mother lived to 77, her father to 54

Maybe this is her?

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Holmes&GSfn=Mary&GSby=1913&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=18759480&df=all&

or this ?

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Holmes&GSfn=Mary&GSby=1913&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=53097300&df=all&

Probably not

[Kaleva]

7. Hubby #3 may have died from wounds suffered in a fight.

http://texashideout.tripod.com/ray.html

[RandomThoughts]

9. You left out a comment.

Seeing it in metaphor I know it is not true as a metaphor, even if true as a story.
You should have added something about bringing a knife to a gun fight.






Unfortunately by using reversal metaphors, to comment on the metaphor, is callous to those that might be spoken about in the story, so without hard feelings in that level, but with out accepting the attempt to use that metaphor.


Jannie got a gun. No hard feelings to you Tarzan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqQn2ADZE1A

[Kaleva]

10. "You should have added something about bringing a knife to a gun fight."

Thought about making a comment on the foolishness of bringing a knife to a gun fight but didn't.

:)

[RandomThoughts]

11. That explains it thanks.

I posted comment of the slow blade penetrates the shield, from Dune yesterday.

Also comments against arranged marriages, as mentioned in Babylon 5, Dune by Bene Gesserit, the prisoner movie, and many other places, Also spoken of by Paul when defending Roman women against arranged marriages.

In Dune it was the right to marry for love that brought a better result. Any form of slavery, by race, cultural, or even thinking that someone else can decides ownership of someone is not what I believe in.

So really the metaphor in the post was comments on many topics. Also fits in with a few other movies, so the post, if you can see the metaphor behind the attempt to mix it with a sad situation of the loss of any life, and if you can see the gun not as a weapon of violence, then it is a really interesting story.

And as posted before, that would not be her father, as said in another post where people think of killing what they think of as God when it is actually something else, and better to learn of the better ideas of love, and know that coercion and control through arrogance and pride is not God.

Or that's how I think on it. Nothing to do with the original article, but about the concept around many posts.

So it really is also about the Data, just not that data. As metaphor of coarse.
:loveya:

ending speech from the book of Eli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTEQw41bV0

[struggle4progress]

12. So Mary craved lots of drama and found guys who would provide it

Her first few guys weren't in her life long, so probably Mr Holmes wasn't either

I might guess at most two or three follow after him, none for very long, but she tends to associate with folks having poor impulse control, so the story probably ends abruptly and unpleasantly after somebody or other decides Mary is an irritating pain in the neck

[suninvited]

13. true

even the Barrow gang disliked her.

She was not a particularly attractive woman. Apparantly this was not an issue as she seemingly had no problems finding husbands.

[struggle4progress]

14. ... when Clyde was driving, he witnessed through his rear view mirror, Raymond lining his pocket

with money they had obtained from a fresh bank robbery and also handing some of this loot to his then girlfriend Mary O'Dare who was seated next to him in the back of the car ... Mary unsuccessfully tried to persuade Bonnie to drug Clyde, rip him off and leave him ...... http://texashideout.tripod.com/ray.html

Mary liked situations that could produce misunderstandings, and she liked guys who tended to resolve misunderstandings quickly and permanently. And if the above two stories are true, Mary was also inclined to behave in ways that furthered misunderstandings. It doesn't sound like a happy mix to me, and I might expect that after successfully riding out a number of little storms she became a bit too confident in her abilities and got caught in a situation beyond her ability