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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:04 AM
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This is a bit nuanced, so wanted to explain the thoughts on this.
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 11:09 AM by RandomThoughts
There are groups that think removing temptations is making it easier for people.

So covering women, and secrecy to hide corruption, many ways to not spark envy, and even removing concept of want is part of many teachings.

Those things can help a person by not making it hard on them, where they don't have to learn to overcome those challenges.

The problem with those things is it is not the flaw of the women that leads to her covering, it is not the flaw of the peasant that wants work and basic necessities, it is not even the fault of a person that wants all things in moderation.

nuanced

It is the fault of the man that looks at the women without the ability to think on what is right, or admire beauty without wrong action. It is the fault of consolidated wealth, or wealth way above need for control that leads to a person seeing the balance in his or her life also.

My point is that secrecy is used to punish the more just side, and to protect the corrupt, like covering punishes women for the corruption of some men.

Everyone should have goals above where they are, although they can be in many forms, the idea of finding your potential and striving for some success for the joy of succeeding is a good thing for the individual and society, however at some point, someone that is really successful, as really well said by the Bill Maher on the NFL metaphor, success needs a little correction so that the successful can continue to find joy in success without there being consolidations that cause problems.

My point is that hiding the problem, increases the problem, especially when it will always be eventually seen, the longer it is hidden the bigger the problem gets. But the problem is not that people may want some success or have dreams of having some things in moderation, it is that they see some groups that are living way above moderation without being able to explain why they should, and worse by adding hardship to them.

So the removing of secrecy is putting the covering, or the hardship, where it belongs, on those that are outside of all things in moderation, since then they are seen the way they act and do, and an adjustment can occur, by that being seen, then the problems of the wants of the many is assuaged by a just explanation of material or anything else in moderation, not in consolidation without just explanation.

It would be like having men be required to wear sunglasses instead of women having to cover, since where is the problem really. And if a man can remove his sunglasses and still act in ways most think are better, then they can go around without sunglasses. In the same way a consolidation caused by corruption should be seen to help correct that, not to punish those in consolidation, but to help those that see such discrepancies as obviously not correct.


There is a reason for 'no want' although it feels like giving up, since some wants are natural, 'no want' can remove envy, but it does not solve the lack of moderation in mostly a few people, that creates that feeling. And without want, you don't strive for anything. So no want above moderation seems to be better then no want, and how I think about that concept.

Corey Hart - Sunglasses At Night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2LTL8KgKv8

Timbuk 3 - The Future's So Bright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qrriKcwvlY
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 05:50 PM
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1. Not about aliens, but still a good song to play
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 05:52 PM by RandomThoughts
Since there is a Fox Mulder Cameo in that first song.


X-Files She's got the look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMIqGFJXkSM
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 07:19 PM
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2. Its a metaphor
Read the previous post of comparison of systems of order a few days ago and concepts of taxation and ideas of social systems for justice with compassion and just order.

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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:10 AM
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3. Skinner My Du is not showing some of these threads in view.
Why is that?

LOL

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