What will Mel Gibson's next film be?

[FunBobbyMucha]

Given his fetish for bloody beatings, what will his follow-up be? I'm betting not the Matthew Shepard story, in less he makes the rednecks the protagonists.

[GOPisEvil]

1. "Sympathy for the Devil"

A little equal time. ;-)

[mr_hat]

2. Joan of Arc might prove suitably juicy.

[On the Road]

3. I Like the Maccabbee Idea

It's perfect for his taste. And a part of revolutionary Biblical history. If presented properly, it will freeper heads explode.

[Rabrrrrrr]

10. That WOULD be really cool!

I don't think it's ever been put on film.

Certainly almost never even gets mentioned, even in churches, unless one is catholic in which case it's in the apocrypha, but even then not read very much adn I doubt the average pew sitting catholic would have heard of it.

[On the Road]

19. Churches are Uncomfortable with the Maccabees

and as a Protestant, I never even heard of them until I was an adult. Suppressed history is always bad, and always makes me want to find out more.


Most Christian churches have historically been linked with government, and the last thing governments want is to glorify a revolutionary movement.

Judaism is uncomfortable with the Maccabees because revolutionary Jewish movements incited the Romans to destroy Jerusalem and kill millions of Jews across the Empire. Modern Judaism came from the Pharisees, who practiced accommodation with the authorities.

But the Maccabees are historically very important. They form the background of Jesus, for that matter. Jesus has to seen in a context of violently revolutionary population, whether you think he supported it, rejected it, or had some other attitude.


The books themselves are not scintillating, because they're filled with references that no one knows or cares about any more -- people, places, battles, etc. Pretty spare stuff. But the story is fascinating if it's fleshed out in the right way.

Once Mel does that, maybe he'll go on the Bar Kochba revolt in the 130AD's. :)

[Rabrrrrrr]

22. Bar Kochba would be good. Also the battle of Medina would be good

for a film. I know they did a TV movie about Medina a long time ago (1980 perhaps?), but I didn't watch it, and I wasn't very old, so I don't know if it's about the war or if it was just a documentary-type of drama movie about medina but not the war.

But it's a fascinating time AND VERY RELEVANT for today, for sure.

[On the Road]

23. I Don't Know the Battle of Medina --

was Mohammed involved?

I would love to know more about Islamic history. Media silence is death.

[Rabrrrrrr]

29. Here's some info:

The city of Medina, some 280 miles north of Mecca, had originally been settled by Jewish tribes from the north, especially the Banu Nadir and Banu Quraiza. The comparative richness of the town attracted an infiltration of pagan Arabs who came at first as clients of the Jews and ultimately succeeded in dominating them. Medina, or, as it was known before Islam, Yathrib, had no form of stable government at all. The town was tom by the feuds of the rival Arab tribes of Aus and Khazraj, with the Jews maintaining an uneasy balance of power. The latter, engaged mainly in agriculture and handicrafts, were economically and culturally superior to the Arabs, and were consequently disliked.... as soon as the Arabs had attained unity through the agency of Muhammad they attacked and ultimately eliminated the Jews.

From: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/medina.html

Muhammad arrived in Medina in 622 believing the Jewish tribes would welcome him. Contrary to expectation, his relations with several of the Jewish tribes in Medina were uneasy almost from the start. This was probably largely a matter of local politics. Medina was not so much a city as a fractious agricultural settlement dotted by fortresses and strongholds, and all relations in the oasis were uneasy. In fact, Muhammad had been invited there to arbitrate a bloody civil war between the Khazraj and the Aws Allah, in which the Jewish clans, being their clients, were embroiled.

At Muhammad's insistence, Medina's pagan, Muslim and Jewish clans signed a pact to protect each other, but achieving this new social order was difficult. Certain individual pagans and recent Medinan converts to Islam tried to thwart the new arrangement in various ways, and some of the Jewish clans were uneasy with the threatened demise of the old alliances. At least three times in five years, Jewish leaders, uncomfortable with the changing political situation in Medina, went against Muhammad, hoping to restore the tense, sometimes bloody-but predictable-balance of power among the tribes.

(snip)

The Muslims now commenced a 25-day siege against the Banu Qurazya's fortress (Rabrrrrrr: a Jewish tribe). Finally, both sides agreed to arbitration. A former ally of the Banu Qurayza, an Arab chief named Sa'd ibn Muadh, now a Muslim, was chosen as judge. Sa'd, one of the few casualties of battle, would soon die of his wounds. If the earlier tribal relations had been in force, he would have certainly spared the Banu Qurayza. His fellow chiefs urged him to pardon these former allies, but he refused. In his view, the Banu Qurayza had attacked the new social order and failed to honor their agreement to protect the town. He ruled that all the men should be killed. Muhammad accepted his judgment, and the next day, according to Muslim sources, 700 men of the Banu Qurayza were executed. Although Sa'd judged according to his own views, his ruling coincides with Deuteronomy 20:12-14.

Most scholars of this episode agree that neither party acted outside the bounds of normal relations in 7th century Arabia. The new order brought by Muhammad was viewed by many as a threat to the age-old system of tribal alliances, as it certainly proved to be. For the Banu Qurayza, the end of this system seemed to bring with it many risks. At the same time, the Muslims faced the threat of total extermination, and needed to send a message to all those groups in Medina that might try to betray their society in the future. It is doubtful that either party could have behaved differently under the circumstances.


From: http://www.pbs.org/muhammad/ma_jews.shtml (this is a good page of info, it's brief so it's also somewhat confusing, but brief enough to give you a good framework.

it's a situation I don't a lot about it other what can be read in these pages. A fascinating period of history, though.

And there's much more.

[On the Road]

30. Thanks Very Much, Rabrrrrr,

I am particularly interested in this period because the strain of Judasim that persisted in the East was still Messianic.

Under the Romans, violent Jewish nationalism was finally snuffed out in the 130's. The remaining Jews became compliant to survive. But outside the Roman empire, there were no such constraints.

I believe the form of Judaism in Arabia retained a belief in Jesus as a human, political Messiah -- not the heavenly Christ depicted in Christianity within the Roman empire. It is this strain that most interests me, because it is derives from the early Jerusalem church led by Jesus' brother, and is probably a more accuract reflection of how he was seen by the people who knew him best.

[bikebloke]

31. I, Bar Kochba

There was a bloke on a kibbutz I worked on who always called me Bar Kochba for some reason. If Mel makes the film, he can pay me big bucks as a consultant.

[On the Road]

33. Were You a Revolutionary?

or perhaps a 'star' of some other kind? Does not sound like that was an insult.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

4. Rubbish. Most likely.

Probably The Passion of the Shrub.

[meegbear]

5. Rebecca of Sunnybrooke Farm

A timeless classic turned into a gore-filled bloodfest.

[SaveElmer]

6. No Joke

I heard he was in negotiations to do both another Lethal Weapon sequel, and another Mad Max.

[bif]

7. "The Passion of the Allah"

[Screaming Lord Byron]

8. He could do The War of the Roses.

The actual War, not the Bette Midler flick. Lots of violence, summary executions, betrayal, murder, gore. Plenty of room to fuck history up good and proper. I for one can't wait to see his Richard III.

[qb]

9. Lethal Horsemen: The Passion of the Apocalypse

edit: spelling

[elperromagico]

11. The Passion of Desi Arnaz,

coming soon to a theater near you!

[Insider]

12. Runway Rules

so you wanna be a model?

[Fenris]

13. "Warsaw! The Musical"

Or something else morbidly offensive that deals with how there were more Jews in Europe after the Holocaust. I hate Mel Gibson with a passion.

[FunBobbyMucha]

15. Bwahahahaha!

Passion! Ha!

[terrya]

14. "Resevoir Dogs"...because, darn it, it wasn't violent enough.

Terry

[Screaming Lord Byron]

16. Mary Poppins....because that needs a bit more violence.

And hopefully, sex.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

17. The Creation

Starring himself.

[Parrcrow]

18. Torquemada: Misunderstood Shephard of the Inquisition.

[Streetdoc270]

20. The sequel to the passion...

Passion 2: The Return of the Christ


:evilgrin:

[thom1102]

27. "He's back and he's PISSED!"

:evilgrin:

[NightTrain]

21. Mad Max: Beyond Golgotha

:evilgrin:

[BringEmOn]

24. "The Crusades: Part Deux"

[DrWeird]

25. What Women Have Passion About.

One day Jesus is taking a bath when a hair dryer falls in and electrocutes him. After his third coming, he realizes he can read the minds of women.

[GreenPartyVoter]

26. Something about the rapture, but a gazillion times scarier (!) than

"Left Behind".

[BigMcLargehuge]

28. The Passion of the Carrottop

for two hours Roman soldiers beat and whip the frizzy red-headed "commedian", then crucify him and hang a pay phone at the base of the cross.

[Blue-Jay]

32. "The Passion of the Rasputin"?

I hear that he was difficult to kill as well. It would make for another good slimy snuff film.

[Ladyhawk]

34. The Passion of Anastasia

The story of the slaughtering of the last Russian czar's family.