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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:05 PM
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Great Films: "The Last Temptation of Christ"
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 03:22 PM by scottcsmith
Martin Scorsese's controversial adaptation of Nikos Kazantzakis' novel raised the ire of many Christian groups when it was released in 1988. The film was attacked for being blasphemous, and lines of picketers were not uncommon. As is the case with most of these sorts of protests, many who attacked the film didn't bother to see it. Which is a shame, because they missed a truly moving "what if" look at the life of Jesus.

Evangelical Christians have embraced Mel Gibson's The Passion for its "accuracy" in depicting the last 12 hours of Christ's' life. But it's not accurate. It's really Mel Gibson's vision, not the vision of the writers of the Gospels. In that regard The Passion is no different than The Last Temptation of Christ: both tell the story of Jesus Christ from very different points of view.

While Gibson's film treats Jesus as little more than a human flesh bag to be beaten, spat on, flayed and tortured, witnessed by mobs of crazed Jews, Scorsese approaches Jesus from a different angle: how can a man be both a man and God? How would a person deal with the fact that they were God?

Willem Dafoe's Jesus starts out as pretty weak, a man who is haunted by voices in his head. Gradually Jesus comes to understand his role in the larger scheme of things, and knows he has to die to save humanity.

The film isn't without its flaws. Casting Harvey Keitel as Judas was a huge mistake. He sounds too much like a man from Brooklyn. Harry Dean Stanton, as the apostle Paul, also sounds too modern for the role.

Dafoe delivers an extraordinary performance. He really brings Jesus to life. In doing so his performance drew me into the movie and connected me emotionally with the events. When I saw The Passion I was not at all affected emotionally. Dafoe's performance moved me to tears on several occasions.

The scene between Jesus and Pontius Pilate, as Pilate discusses Jesus' fate, seems, to me, a more accurate portrayal of what Pilate was probably like. In The Passion he's a man swayed by a screaming crowd of Jews to kill Jesus. In The Last Temptation of Christ there isn't a screaming crowd of Jews. It's just Pilate and Jesus. And Pilate's decision to crucify Christ is based on the fact that Pilate felt Christ would lead an uprising of Jews against the Roman government. Again, that's a more historically accurate interpretation of Pilate and his reason for executing Jesus.

The segment of the film that most felt was blasphemous is a vision Christ has while he's dying on the cross. Satan visits him, in the guise of a girl who claims to be the guardian angel sent by God to stop the execution. Jesus comes down off the cross, gets married and has children. He grows old. As he approaches death, he realizes that he made a horrible mistake in not accepting his destiny. When the little girl is revealed to be Satan, Jesus accepts his fate. The movie ends with Christ back on the cross, a smile on his face, finally accepting his divinity and knowing his sacrifice would serve a greater good.

Compare all of this to Gibson's film, which is an almost non-stop orgy of violence and gore. Gibson's Jesus has no identity; it's impossible to connect with him on an emotional basis as the film reveals almost nothing about the man or his teachings. And it horrifies me to no end that entire families are attending Gibson's film. Can you imagine the parents of a traumatized eight-year-old after seeing The Passion? How do you explain to a young mind why their beloved Jesus was tortured to death? I don't know.

The Last Temptation of Christ is a wonderful, powerful movie.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:11 PM
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1. Agreed. Great film, which everybody should take a look at.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:20 PM
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5. Agreed... just don't look for it at...
Blockbuster. I haven't set foot in one since they refused to carry this movie.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:13 PM
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2. question
In this movie, does it touch on anything that happened to Jesus between the ages of 13 and 30?

That's kinda what intests me, what he did with his life in the period after he learned he was the son of god and the period before he was crusified.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:27 PM
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9. Nope ...
It starts, I think, shortly before the Crucifixion.
He's a grown man throughout the entire film.

:hippie:
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:13 PM
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3. you're right... you don't know..
you like Last Temptation because it is closer to your vision...others like Passion because it is closer to theirs, and to traditional teachings....people choose which they watch, if either....

How do you explain to a young mind why their beloved Jesus was tortured to death? I don't know.

well...it's the story..he didn't die of old age
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:20 PM
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6. Nor does Jesus die of old age in "Temptation"
It was just a vision brought by Satan. Jesus dies on the cross, just as he does in the bible.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:21 PM
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7. what I meant was...he was basically tortured to death...
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PrestoChango Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:13 PM
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4. Watched this movie Monday night.
And I agree, it was a great film.

I also agree with so many of the points you made. After watching it, I could not understand the whole controversy that surrounded the film at the time of it's release. As you said though, most of the people never saw the film.

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Ricdude Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:01 PM
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28. I suspect the controversy had to do with ...
the scene of Christ fucking Mary Magdelene? The polyandrous relationship he's a part of? That was a bit of a jab to me, and I'm not even remotely "religious" in that sense...

I must say, though. Mad Phat Props to Peter Gabriel on the soundtrack. Excellent music for ... intimacy.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:22 PM
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8. Huh?
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 03:22 PM by forgethell
Gibson's Jesus has no identity; it's impossible to connect with him on an emotional basis as the film reveals almost nothing about the man or his teachings

Wrong on both counts, I saw 100s of people connecting with Gibson's Jesus. And, as His purpose was to die, I think the film reveals a little something about the man.

Willem Dafoe's Jesus starts out as pretty weak, a man who is haunted by voices in his head. Gradually Jesus comes to understand his role in the larger scheme of things, and knows he has to die to save humanity.

What you are saying is that Jesus was cetifiably insane.
Last Temptation stunk.

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:33 PM
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11. Certifiably insane ?
Allrighty then.

Never heard 'that voice inside your head' tell you to do or not do something, have you ? Never been moved to action because of something 'larger than yourself' ?

As one who leans away from mainstream religion and toward the more Spiritual, personal, individual 'religion'; I identify with Last Temptation more than any other 'religious' film I have seen.

Dafoe's Jesus wasn't thrilled about what was happening to him - and certainly didn't understand it - but he evolved from denial and anger to acceptance of his role in 'the plan'. Only someone whose been in a similar position ("Why me?") would connect to that aspect of the character.

:hippie:

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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:47 AM
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30. No, I never did
sorry, but I don't go in for cheap 'spirituality' You may disagree that that is what it is, and I may be wrong, but that's my opinion, for whatevfer it's worth.

My real problem is encapsulated in your last paragraph. Dafoe's Jesus didn't understand it. Gibson's Jesus did. I'll go witht he later
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:05 PM
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20. Huh? Pt II
The people connecting with Gibson's pornography are Christians. I am not. I am Jewish. Gibson failed to connect me to his character in an emotional way. But, if you enjoy seeing a man tortured and his skin flayed, to the point that the bones of his ribs are visible, well, then, that's the movie for you.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:51 AM
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31. Well, I can't deny that I am a Christian.
I do deny that the film was 'pornographic'. I saw very little sexual about the film, maybe you did. If all you saw was enjoyment of a man being tortured, then, of course, you missed the whole point. It was WHY he was being tortured that was the point. Check out the last 30 seconds.
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:03 PM
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29. You never saw the movie!
If you had seen the movie, you'd have known the voices Jesus was hearing was the voice of God. He just didn't know it was the voice of God right away.

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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:54 AM
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32. Sure I did,
although it was long ago. But I was responding to a specific comment. People who 'hear voices' are considered insane in our society, at least. Son of Sam, whatever that woman is Texas is named that drowned her kids, etc, etc.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:29 PM
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10. People who like the Passion are stupid.
At least that's my opinion.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:34 PM
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12. people who don't like The Passion are frightened.
at least that's my opinion...
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:37 PM
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13. Frightened of what?
Do people go to hell if they don't watch The Passion?
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:44 PM
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14. didn't say that...going to Hell or not has nothing to do w/ a movie
I think more frightened in that their secular or free thinking view is challenged...and LOTS of people strongly believe the story told in the movie..making some people feel like a minority, and as such uncomfortable...
why do you think those who like the movie are stupid?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:47 PM
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15. Because it's a stupid movie.
It's kind of like the people who watch and enjoy Fear Factor or Bill O'Reilly. They're stupid.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:48 PM
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16. ah....stupid because you don't like it...
or have you even seen it?...if so, you have every right to your opinion..if not...you're frightened (IMO)
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:35 PM
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25. Huh?
I'm frightened of having my views challenged because I have no desire to watch a fictional account of a man being tortured to death?

My views aren't challenged because someone made a movie out of a book written by MEN about a MAN being tortured in an inhumane manner.

It doesn't challenge my views in any way, it doesn't affect my views in any way.

The only thing that frightens me are the ultra-religious whackjobs who actually think that it SHOULD somehow affect my views.
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:05 PM
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21. I wasn't frightened
I was offended.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:11 PM
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22. that's a valid response, if it in some way
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 04:12 PM by stopthegop
contradicts what you believe...just as traditional Christians are often offended by things they see...part of life

edit:..at least the movie is something a person has to make a effort to see, and has a good idea what they're in for..
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:55 PM
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17. I loved "Last Temptation." Introduced it to my Bible study class
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 03:56 PM by notmyprez
And we had a very interesting discussion about the movie. This was a couple of years ago, and my minister still often refers to scenes in the movie when we're discussing interpretations of Jesus' life.

Edited to add: Yes, my church is a very liberal church--Congregational.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:59 PM
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18. A friend of mine has seen 'The Passion' 4 times, so far!
This is a 60-year-old woman who I doubt ever goes to see a movie with any violence in it. I asked her why she saw it so many times and she said that it makes her feel such compassion for Jesus and it makes her feel closer to the Lord.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:04 PM
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19. my thoughts about The Last Temptation (and yes, see it if you haven't)
I haven't (shame on me) read the book even yet -- probably should. I didn't take the "vision" on the cross as being a vision. I took it as an alternative universe -- hmmm, maybe I've read too much Phil K. Dick. But this reading gave me a slightly twisted take. What I saw was a quick visit to an alternate world where Christ found happiness in the simple life of husband and father and as a result of fleeing his destiny to find his own happiness in his old age, he hears that the Temple in Jerusalem has been destroyed by the Romans.

So he then, having divine powers and all, rolls back time, accepts his destiny, is crucified etc.

What is not shown after the end credits roll, but what I'm sure Scorsese expects us to know, is that when the appointed decade rolled around, the Romans burned the Temple in Jerusalem anyway.

This is the classic alternate universe fable: you are not in fact God, you cannot change time and fate. What is to be will be.

I suppose technically speaking this message could be considered blasphemy, especially at the time of its release, when it seemed everyone who wasn't a fundie was a New Ager chanting, I am God. People have been burned for less...something to offend everyone.

So naturally I enjoyed it and have thought of it often in the many years since I've seen it.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:25 PM
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23. Out Soon...!! The Passion 2 -- The RETURN ! : and boy is he pissed off !
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:27 PM
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24.  I wont see the Passoin......... I cant deal with Obsine violence
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:47 PM
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26. Can anyone who has seen The Passion answer this?
Is this scene from the Gospel of Mark portrayed in the movie? It happpens right after Jesus is arrested, so it should be in the movie for accuracy's sake:

14:51And a certain young man followed with him, having a linen cloth cast about him, over his naked body: and they lay hold on him; 14:52but he left the linen cloth, and fled naked.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:54 PM
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27. I didn't see that scene in the movie..n/t
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