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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 05:14 PM
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Should my Uncle be permanently persona non grata?
Some of you were here, some of you weren't when it turned out my Uncle had been using my Grandma as an ATM for years

When he needed to pay the rent, he dipped into her savings and paid that way

He did this for over 20 years

Grandma had made a point to save money for her children: My Aunt, My Dad and My Uncle

There was quite a bit of money, but once my Grandpa died, she (Grandma) turned over account management to my Uncle. As she put it "I thought I could trust him, he was a lawyer." Please don't laugh too hard at that, she was of a completely different generation than us.

She also made my dad promise not to turn him in - on her deathbed

As a result, we have disinvited Uncle from any and all family gatherings

He is a persona non grata - he is not welcome

My cousins (and rightly so) would probably serve bodily harm to him if they saw him

You see, my Aunt, their mom, was in financial trouble

She was hoping to get her part of the inheritance and move somewhere a house could be bought for cheap

Once the cash was gone, her "light at the end of the tunnel" went out, and within months she died

Although not directly, I do think (as do my cousins) Uncle was responsible

My wife thinks that someday we should make amends with Uncle

But I don't

Fuck him

Your thoughts?
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:04 PM
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1. No need to do so, he reaps what he sows. I had an uncle like that who did something just as bad.
My uncle's father drank too much and died in his early forties. His mother had to go to work to take care of him and the five children from his first wife who died in childbirth. Let's just say, she did her part for him and his siblings.

As the years went by, he moved to the city and moved up high in the corporate world, but was another drinker along with his wife. His widowed mother, and my step-grandmother eventually retired from her work, lived in a small town, had her church and friends around her there. She was happy, healthy and well taken care of there in her little house.

For reasons unknown to the rest of the family, but most likely for money, he and his wife cajoled her into giving up her home and friends and moving into town to live with his wife and adopted son. He took complete control of her finances, selling her home and furnishings. She was a very easy going and forgiving kind of person. But they made her life a living hell, picking at her.

These were two people who I later learned from their adopted son, who loathed them, were emotionally crippled. He'd come home from school and find both parents passed out drunk on the floor of the house. For some reason, my father kept me away from them and I didn't understand until I talked to their son. I'd met him accidentally on a job site, that was how far my father kept us from getting to know his youngest brother.

Anyway, things got unbearable for this poor woman, who was now without her home or community or control of her social security check, even. He said she had to move into a nursing home, although she had no personal health problems. My parents having passed on early in my life, his older sister and her husband moved into my father's large home with extra bedrooms. We begged him to let her move in with us, and she was all for it. But he had total control and said no. Why, I don't know.

At least he let her be put into a home near our house. We went and visited her every week, but he didn't. There was no recourse, the laws weren't as responsive then. She cried every weekend when we left and died of a broken heart long before her time.

Now, this is where this story gets interesting, and you might want to take this part into consideration for the future as relates to this man and what he did. I don't blame you shunning him now, but...

A few years passed and the man's wife needed heart surgery and was very ill. She contracted us as by that time, unfortunately, their adopted son would have nothing to do with them. And what happened to him, well. He had a bad stroke and could no longer walk or speak, and she couldn't have the surgery because there was no help. He'd made a huge amount of money but I guess they wasted it over the years. So it was just her.

We went over to see him a couple of times before he died. He cried like a baby, unable to talk to anyone. Just tears, all the time. What was going through his mind? What he'd done to his own mother, who'd never hurt him, but he had robbed her and gave her an early death, heartbroken?

We'll never know. This may be how your uncle's life ends. You and your family will know what to do then. He doesn't need your help now, I'm guessing, or you would give it to him. When the day comes that he faces what he did, consider what his mother said.

Not trying to guilt you out, but this isn't over by a long shot. What he did will come back to haunt him, I suspect.

I'm sorry about the desolation he caused. I've seen it, too.

I don't feel that you need to make amends, though. These are the natural consequences of breaking a relationship, not your fault for the way you feel. Not your fault, so why amends from you?

You may change your mind when he sees he needs to make amends or becomes helpless, like she was. It may be that he will have to learn the hard way. Whatever works for healing.

Hope that helps.


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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:11 PM
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2. My thoughts are you do what you feel is best. What you can sleep with
at night.

It is my opinion that that money was your grandmother's. If she had forgiven him, and it seems she had because she asked your father not to turn him in, then that is what matters. It would have been nice for money to have been there to help out your aunt and it's awful that there wasn't. This is why I don't expect for anyone to take care of me but myself. I know it seems like I am talking in circles here but I am trying not to offend. In a nutshell, the only person (in my opinion) who was wronged here is your grandmother. And she forgave him. In the end, what you decide is up to you, and your cousins. But the money wasn't theirs to begin with. Your uncle only stole from your grandmother.

I am sorry your family is going through this.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:15 PM
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3. The last time I saw or talked to my stepfather was in 1971.
I'm fine with my decision. None of my siblings have had much to do with him almost that long at least once they were old enough to get out of the house. My mother finally divorced him in 1972.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:33 PM
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4. Is Unc tryin to get back int'th'mix?
I mean, don't think about stuff ya don't have to think about

Over the years, I've heard all kinds of complaint stories about family money: for example, A says "A loaned B money" whereas B says "A gave money as gift to B and B's spouse C," then C (who is A's kid) used the joint assets of B and C to support C's addiction problem, so B divorced C, and then A wanted B to pay it back whatever it was, gift or loan. I went to visit A when A was dying, knowing it would be the last time we ever saw each other, and what I got was hours and hours of screech about how full of shizz B was. I didn't have to sort it out, so I didn't even try
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:39 PM
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5. just me but
i'd beat him half to death.
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:40 PM
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6. He made a lifetime decision.
So fuck him, and the horse he rode in on.
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