Fans to Mark 10 Years Since Cobain Death

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

Fans to Mark 10 Years Since Cobain Death

By GENE JOHNSON

ABERDEEN, Wash. (AP) - Kurt Cobain and his band, Nirvana, spent only three years in the public eye, and they released only three studio albums. But what he accomplished before committing suicide 10 years ago Monday at age 27 - deciding it was ``better to burn out than fade away,'' as he quoted Neil Young in his suicide note - was remarkable.
Beneath this bridge above the muddy banks of the Wishkah River, a troubled young Cobain would come to escape his unhappy home and the persistent gray drizzle of the Washington coast.

Among the cracking concrete supports, he would smoke pot and drink and plot his stardom, bragging to friends of his ``suicide genes'' and that he would die a young rock star.

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[CO Liberal]

1. I Hope They Don't Do A Reenactment

That would just be sick.....

[musiclawyer]

24. I just don't think Nirvana was that great

Well, I agree they led popular rock and roll in a good direction, albeit briefly, and presented an image that was consumer friendly. But earlier bands were just as good or better-- Killing Joke, Replacements etc. Flame away if you wish, but if Cobaine had lived, Nirvana would no more memorable long term that some of the others mentioned. I've read enough about the guy to speculate that he knew that.

[aquaman]

27. Are you stating that the Replacements will not have a long-term impact....

on rock and roll? I disagree.

[jdsmith]

28. Try to imagine alt-country without the Replacements

for example

[Zerex71]

2. File this under inconsequential

See subject

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

6. nirvana wasa cultural milestone for a lot of us

for a few brief years the art geeks had supplanted the dumb jock metal bands as the standard-bearers of pop culture

he was a great songwriter and brought an honesty to music that hadn't been heard in decades. he also had great left-leaning poilitics (he was a huge supporter of radical feminists and the riot grrl scene, for instance)

[prodigal_green]

3. I still miss Kurt

I was really moved by his death. I think he had Crohns or some other really painful disease of the digestive tract that kept him in constant pain (my brother has Crohns, so I'm familiar with that condition). A lot of his drug addiction was reportedly related to that.

[mouse7]

7. Ulcerative Colitis

There aren't many conditions that are more painful, and Cobain was trying to self-medicate.

[mouse7]

They need to talk about Cobain's ulcerative colitis more.

Cobain was dealing with crippling intense pain from this condition at the time of his death. There was nothing "romantic" about Cobain's death. He was a very sick man trying to self-medicate for a seriously disabling condition.

[Carni]

4. There were three writers on the Today Show this AM...

Claiming there is no way Cobain could have shot up that much heroin without dying with the needle still in his arm.

They insist that he could not have shot himself in that state.

It is also their firm belief that he was murdered and they insinuated that Courtney Love did it.

They want the case reopened.

According to the writers they have obtained tapes of Courtney and her lawyers discussing the fact that Cobain was leaving her.

They also claimed Cobain had two airline tickets booked and was scheduled to leave town with a new love interest (I think they said the day he died he was scheduled to fly/not sure.)

Make of it what you will but that's what the three guys were claiming!

[ultramega]

32. See the documentary "Kurt and Courtney"

It will give you the creeps. There is a guy that the doc maker interviewed on film swearing Courtney offered him $50,000 to kill Kurt. Then, oddly enough, right before the film came out, this same guy (who is creepy) ends up dead by some railroad tracks near his house.

I was a huge Hole fan, I wasn't really into Nirvana as much, but their unplugged CD is awesome.

Courtney is brilliant but she seems determined to self-destruct. BTW, Janis was too, and look how she went out. It's unreal how much Francis Bean looks like Kurt.

I SO miss all the music from the 90's. It seems like a million years ago, and the industry is trying it's best to make all music today sound the same. Of course, that's what happened in the 80's, so maybe in a few years there will be another quasi punk dyi rebellion and things will get interesting again.

On edit: one more thing. It blew my mind when they started announcing they were going to cover the conspiracy theories about Kurts death recently. My split-second gut reaction was, why can't they cover even the tiniest bit of the inconsitencies about 9/11 if they are going to to a cover story that Kurt might be murdered. It's such a crock. Oh, and in the movie this guy quotes a study of a person who had the same amount of heroin in him as Kurt and was fully concious, they had him stand on one leg, etc.

[solinvictus]

35. Kurt Cobain's Death

Here are some of the more notorious facts in a nutshell:
1) It was rumored that Kurt was going to divorce Courtney. Courtney tried to make a pre-emptive strike by telling their management to secure her an attack dog divorce attorney.
2) Courtney was pissed because Kurt was dissolving Nirvana and had turned down a headline offer for Lollapalooza 1994. The contract was worth several million to him.
3) Kurt had privately spoken to Dylan Carlson, his best friend, and others about a wish to divorce Courtney and take time off from music. He'd wanted to go back to performing low key work.
4) When he left the rehab facility, he'd told Dylan that he feared for his safety.
5) Courtney had hired investigator Tom Grant to try to find Kurt when he was reported missing from the rehab facility. There were a lot of pieces of evidence indicating that Courtney didn't want Kurt found.
6) After Kurt's body was discovered, it was found that someone had tried to use his credit cards a couple of times after his death.
7) Kurt's body was indeed found to have enough heroin to kill him. There's some additional crime scene reconstructions that illustrate the likelihood that Kurt's body was positioned after he was dead.

I know it seems like tinfoil hat material, but it's enough evidence to give one pause.

[jus_the_facts]

5. sure wish he'd burn out and fade away already....

....never did understand the attraction to these no talent fools....they sucked yet their *style* was copied *ad nauseum* and promoted turning back rock'n'roll to it's crappy basic sound. :eyes:

[democracyindanger]

8. This from

someone who has a G'N'R quote in their sig? :eyes:

[jus_the_facts]

12. excuse me for havin' a goddamn opinion......that goes for all of you!!

....oh soooo sorry...to each his own huh?! :eyes:

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

36. Jeeze, what's with the hostility for her having an opinion about music?

I personally think Nirvana does have a valid place in history and that for many disenfranchised they were a voice, but it doesn't mean everyone has to agree. jus_the_facts has a right to her opinion, eh? shouldn't get so much criticism for it.

I think Nirvana was one of those bands you either had to relate to and respect or love them... or not relate to and find them overrated. Musically they were not great, but lyrically and influentially they WERE.

[jus_the_facts]

37. Thank you!!

:loveya:

[disenfranchised]

9. No talent?

You may not have liked him, but Cobain was a tremendous talent.

[jus_the_facts]

15. your opinion.....not mine. n/t

[el_gato]

10. I'd take Nirvana over GNR anyday

talk about no talent geez

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

11. amen

kurt's managed to put out more original material since 1991 (gnr's last non-cover album) then axel, despite bing dead

hell, he's put out more since dying then gnr. 'you know you're right ',and 'mtv unplugged"

while gnr's 'chinese democracy' is scheduled to be released a decade from when hell freezes over

[jus_the_facts]

16. again....your opinion....and ya know what they say about opinions.....

;-)

[americanstranger]

31. HA! You got that right.

Axel. Wotta joke. I know a guy who was giving him guitar lessons for a few years. They don't seem to have helped.

And Buckethead jumped ship recently, didn't he?

-as

Ironically, Axel's got a former 'Mat (Stinson) in the band. How's that work?

[jus_the_facts]

17. well geeze...I wouldn't...

....thanks for the flame though...NOT! :(

[Beefheart]

13. An early death or suicide always increases the legend

Some deserve it - see Jimi Hendrix. Others do not - see Janis Joplin. In my view, as they say.

Cobain is closer to Janis, just like G n' R, methinks.

[mmm]

20. Amen, Beefheart.

You are entirely correct.
Cobain had no talent whatever.
Guns and Roses was some nasty negative shit.
Axel Rose has the most nauseating voice I can think of.

[Beefheart]

21. Not talentless, just not one of the greats

I overstated, perhaps.

Cobain wrote some good, a few great tunes. Nirvana was a good live band too.

"Appetite for Destruction" is a great record. But G n' R only made one great record.

[Cush]

18. Nirvana is one of those bands....

where you really have to understand/relate the stories behind the music. If you can't relate, then you won't get it.

[0rganism]

23. don't know a damn thing about their stories, the songs were just fine

I related their music quite adequately to my own situation, without having to do any research thank you very much. :)

Kurt Cobain died for our sins.

[ellie]

14. I loved Kurt

absolutely loved him. It's pretty painful because music just sucks so bad now.

[Avalon Sparks]

26. HI Ellie - you're a kindred spirit.

I love Kurt too - no music has meant more to me than Nirvana's - maybe partly because of what I was going through at the time I was listening to it. Whenever Kurt opened his mouth he made me smile. I loved his dry wit and it was obvious he was intelligent and so damn interesting. It's the only band ever that I loved every song they played.

For the record, I don't think Courtney murdered him. I think he killed himself due to primarily to the physical pain he claimed to have been in constantly. I'm someone that hates physical pain and the only time I have thought about killing my own self was when I had a horribly painful headache for 5 days that wouldn't go away with any medication. By the 5th day I seriously wanted to die.
Maybe some people can tolerate physical or mental pain, and others can't and take a way out from it.

Music does suck so bad now - I agree 100% I sometimes think of today as the day the music for me.

[Voltaire99]

19. "Most important songwriter since Lennon and McCarthy," per Elvis Costello

It's a judgment you can take or leave, but I rather liked hearing the superb Costello make it (last year, if I recall, on one of those silly music channel countdowns).

Like so many others who love Cobain's music, I miss him. But the power of his art is such that his absence--and the absence of any more of it--is endurable. It made the world more beautiful and knowable. It still does. You can't ask much more from art than that.

R.I.P., Kurt, and thank you.

[rednek_Liberal]

34. Wh, uh, umm now wait a minit

I thought Elvis costello was supposed to be the most important songwriter since Lennon and McCartney.

[0rganism]

22. "only three studio albums"? I count four.

Bleach, Nevermind, Incesticide, In Utero

Which one doesn't count?

Kurt Cobain died for our sins.

Oh well. Whatever. Nevermind.

[jdsmith]

29. Incesticide

is usually considered an odds and sods album.

[bhunt70]

25. Not a fan but I feel bad for his daughter having two f'ed up parents.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

30. Rock on Kurt!

honesty and humility is what he brought. discount the music if you like, if it sounds "unpolished" and "sloppy" it is because you aren't listening hard enough.:silly: what a band. at the time I was kind of sick of their widespread popularity, but i would take that any day for exchange of our current "pop" music landscape.

[Kerry in 04]

33. Nirvana was awesome.

Unplugged really showed his talent. Every song on that CD is awesome!

Nirvana rocked!!!!:headbang:

Kurt. RIP. :yourock:ed