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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 10:51 AM
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Mental Health Thread
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 11:00 AM by Tobin S.
This is for kimi and her son and anyone else who may be dealing with a mental health issue, whether it be with your own illness or someone you know. The main theme here is hope, but I'm going to relate some pretty rough stuff in the process. But hang with me through that because I want to show you what is possible.

Some bad shit happened to me when I was a kid. Not just one incident, but many over a period of years starting when I was very young. I've learned that mental illnesses are not just due to environmental factors, however, that there is also a genetic component, and there is a history of mental illness in my family. A therapist will tell you that it's usually a combination of those two factors that will cause someone to develop a mental illness. But that's not the whole story. Someone who had a perfect upbringing and no evidence of mental illness in his family can develop a mental illness, quite severe ones in fact. On the other hand, it's possible that someone who has had trauma in her past and a history of mental illness in her family go grow up to be sane and happy. Also, mental illnesses can appear in people later in life due to many other factors like what happened to kimi's son or what has happened to many military veterans in times of war, just to give a few examples. But in my case it was probably a combination of childhood trauma and genetics.

I am not going to tell you the details about my childhood trauma; just that it did happen and it was terrible. I've gotten validation and confirmation of that from a few people who are close to me and that was very important. I had lived with those events buried in my mind for a long time, but I had to bring them to the surface and into conscious awareness. I had always known what had happened to me, but had failed to analyze and investigate those events and how they were affecting me in my adulthood. So, I'll jump ahead in my story to when I was 20 years old.

The onset of severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and schizoaffective disorder usually occurs in people who are 18 to 30 years old. A little earlier for men, on average, than women. I've had three different diagnoses in my dealings with the mental health professionals- major depression first, then schizoaffective disorder, and now bipolar 1. The bipolar 1 diagnosis appears to be the correct one and that's the current one. Or at least if the diagnosis isn't perfect, the treatment I'm receiving is very good.

The onset of my illness occurred very quickly when I was twenty years old. I remember not being able to sleep one night and by morning becoming profoundly depressed. Over the period of the next few weeks my psychosis made its appearance. I knew something was very wrong, but I didn't know that it was a mental illness and I wouldn't know until I was 30 years old. That's my lost decade. If there is a hell I imagine that's what it would be like. The psychosis was always there mixed in with my bipolar swings. A very simple definition of psychosis is that it divorces you from the reality that everyone else is experiencing. Your brain creates an alternate reality that isn't real but seems very much so to someone afflicted with the illness.

When I look back at those ten years and how I struggled during that time I become proud of myself and how I managed to keep it together as well as I did. It took tremendous strength. During that time I became a long haul trucker which I think helped me a great deal. I've often said that I think trucking saved my life. I was very paranoid back then and had a hard time being around people. Being a long haul trucker allowed me to make a living without having to deal with people nearly as much as I would have doing something else. Also during that time I renovated two houses and actually turned a little bit of a profit from that. On the other hand, my bipolar mind sometimes went too far and clashed with the outside world. I was convicted of two non-violent misdemeanors back then and I was hospitalized three times for being suicidal.

The third time I was hospitalized was when I was 30 and I finally started to get the right treatment. It was an incredible experience. I checked in being the closest I've ever been to killing myself and thinking that no one could help me. I was just doing it thinking that I should exhaust all of my options, just to be sure, before putting a bullet in my head. Seven days later I walked out of the hospital a sane man for the first time in ten years. My symptoms were actually almost under control by the third day I was in there and they've probably never seen a happier guy on a psychiatric ward in that hospital. It was like a profound religious experience- a miracle or maybe enlightenment.

That was over eight years ago and I've been sane ever since. I remain in treatment and I probably will for the rest of my life. That's the price I have to pay, but it is very much worth it considering how good things are right now. And if you've been paying attention to the lounge lately you know how good that is. By the way, I've told Jen about all of this, even the details that I won't go into here, and I told her not long after I met her and we started getting serious. I thought she had a right to know and she is very happy that I was honest and up front about it.

But there's a little more to the story. Remember me telling you about the rough stuff that happened when I was a kid? I still hadn't completely dealt with that until a few months before I met Jen. That was a little over a year ago. I had bought a semi and went out doing long haul stuff again. I had been trying to find a mate for a couple of years before that and I had dated six women over that period of time, but I kept getting shot down because of this mental health stuff. So I just said to hell with it and started doing what I thought was the best thing I could do as a single guy seeming as how that was appearing to be my permanent marital status. I was really enjoying that long haul, owner-operator stuff, too, but I was also alone most of the time again and you know what happened? Those demons from my past came a-knocking. They would be denied entry into my consciousness no more. So on a cool night in the middle of the Utah desert I invited those fuckers in and told them to bring it on.

I put everything down in writing. I just got all of that shit out of my head where I could see it good and knocked them all down one by one. After doing so I felt very angry and depressed. I felt alone in the world, not just trucker loneliness, but completely alone, like I didn't have any family or friends in the whole world. But I was wrong. I had some very good friends and they were right here where we are right now. I haven't met most of you in person, but that doesn't matter. You were here for me when I needed it most and you helped me a great deal. I owe all of you. Not money or favors, but empathy, support, and kindness. You all are my friends.

I felt really bad there for a while, but as the days passed by and with your support I began to feel better. After being shattered again, things became different this time. I began to feel whole and integrated. I began to truly understand my inner workings and I was having insights into my illness that I'd never had before. I never realized how angry I was at some people and how I'd been carrying that around but also denying it at the same time instead of acknowledging it and working through it.

I'm not angry anymore but I've learned to keep my distance from some of the people in my life. I used to have a problem with self-loathing and that is gone. And now I have true love in my life. I love Jen. I also have a nice place to live and a good job that gets me home every day. I used to have all of the worst in life. Now I have all of the best.

Anyway, that's what's possible.
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jme0318 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:44 AM
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1. Tobin S...
I love you sooooo much!!!
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:55 AM
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2. ;)
:* :hug:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:25 PM
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24. You are sooooooo lucky, Jen!
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:29 PM
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3. you are one of the good and real human beings in this world
thank you
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:31 PM
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4. Thank you. You are very kind.
I was hoping that I would have gotten to meet you when I was out on the road last year, but I think I only got out that way once and I was driving through the night. I still don't know what The Thing is. :)
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:35 PM
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5. you ought to come through next year for an anniversary trip
fall is the best time of year here and The Thing? Mystery of the Desert awaits!:P
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:58 PM
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6. Thank you for yet another act of generosity in writing and posting this.
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:51 PM
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10. You're welcome and Jen says hi.
Jen ---> :hi:
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 08:23 PM
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27.  hi Jen
:hi:
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:10 PM
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7. Tobin, thank you so much for sharing that. It feels so good to
read about such positive outcomes. My 29 year old son also suffers from bipolar 1, but he began having difficulties at the age of 3 after he was molested at a day care. He was put on medications in 7th grade (things got really bad when the hormones kicked in), and for the FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE, he slept all night. Keeping him stable more than 2-3 weeks was impossible until he reached about the age of 20, because he grew to be 7' tall. As soon as we would get him stable, he would shoot up in growth and that would blow the delicate balances we had finally achieved with a new med routine. So my son lost his childhood, and for the first 7 years as an adult, he was having to play emotional maturity catch-up. Even in young adulthood, at least twice and sometimes three or four times a year, we spent all night in the ER because of suicidal ideation, aka cycles of terror for Mom.

You said "If there is a hell I imagine that's what it would be like." Absolutely. I chain smoke, and my M.D. who looks at my lungs keeps pushing Chantix or whatever the newest aide is, but psychiatrists tell me with my family history, I should not try any of that stuff without intensive medical supervision. In other words, such stuff could tip me into BP, considering the family history. So I have told my M.D. several times that I would rather be dead than suffer the absolute hell that I have seen my son endure. And I absolutely mean that. (As a loving mother close to her son, each agony he suffered, I felt too, and wished I could trade places with him.) Words are completely inadequate to express the pain. People who don't live closely with this have no idea. Our family has several members with physical disabilities that confine them to a wheelchair, and what they have taught me is that in such situations, you can CHOOSE and fight to be happy in spite of the circumstances. But with bipolar in control, you can't make that choice....if only the world could really understand that (instead of saying hey, shake yourself out of that). AND understand that with the needed medical assistance, things can turn around. I hate the term 'mental illness', because that implies that somehow people suffering from this have some choice. I wish we could change the moniker to something like NBD, or neurological brain disorder, which is more accurate and indicates a medical condition like diabetes. Language does more than reflect our perceptions; language choice creates societies' perception of the world (just ask Karl Rove).

In the last three years, my son has really taken off. The meds he was on as a teen and young adult had caused him to gain an enormous amount of weight. The food he could afford on food stamps didn't help, either. Two years ago, he was up to 459 lbs on his 7' frame. Being morbidly obese as well as extremely tall does not help one who struggles with self-perception. He tried out for Biggest Loser about 2 years ago, but didn't make the cut. But at that point, he was finally in a position to take control of his life, and he did subsequently change his life so much for the better. I see genuine happiness now. He worked with his doctor to radically change his medications, and didn't tell me about it (sparing me intense worry), and the results have been great. He is now down to 317 lbs and still dropping weight. He watches his diet and exercises. He held the same job for 18 months and did very well, and just got a new, better job. (In the past, he was only able to work a few weeks at a time, then he would quit because of anxiety attacks, etc.) He has had a steady girlfriend for the past 5 months, a lovely young girl who works at a daycare center. She is his first girlfriend since his girlfriend dropped him at age 17 (and he ended up in a psychiatric hospital for a week.) He has emerged from hell, a hell thrust upon him at the tenderest of ages, that he did nothing to deserve or earn, and at long last, he is feeling genuinely happy and positive. After three decades of complete hell.

Reading your story helped to reinforce the positive possibles for my own son, so thanks for sharing.
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:02 PM
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11. I'm so happy for you and your son
It gave me the chills reading your post. And thank you very much for sharing that story. I'm with you on changing the language in reference to brain disorders. I use "mental illness" due to a lack of creativity and because that's what every one in the profession calls it. It truly is a biological problem. It's treated as such with medication therapy and should get the same kind of coverage in health insurance policies, which it doesn't for the most part.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:36 PM
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30. Oh no. Did I jinx him by posting? She just broke up with him.
He had a good long cry but seems now to be handling it very well. If he can maintain this attitude, then I won't be heading back to the ER. Gotta keep watch though. Sigh. At least she didn't do the 'wait until after Christmas' crap.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:32 PM
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26. Very pleased to hear of this progress, DebJ.
:hi:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:31 PM
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8. Thanks, Tobin, for your thoughtful and very insightful words...
I am so freaking glad you have triumphed over your demons!

And indeed you have the best in your life.

I am proud to know you and to call you friend!

:hug:
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:06 PM
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12. Thanks, Peggy
I'm happy to know you as well. Maybe the next time you go on one of your cross country treks you can stop in and visit with us. If I find myself in socal again I'll definitely give you a holler. Say hi to your husband for me.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:40 PM
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9. I wish I had 1/10th of your inner strength.
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 01:56 PM by MilesColtrane
You're a mensch and you richly deserve all the happiness that is flowing your way finally.

Maybe someday I'll have the balls to face the shit in my life that I've buried.
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:11 PM
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13. It can be incredibly difficult to fight those demons
Just recognizing their presence is a good first step, though, and I think that might actually be half the battle. You can do it. Keep in mind that I was in psychiatric care for several years and my symptoms well under control before I was finally able to defeat my demons. Don't be afraid to go to a professional if you feel it might be needed.
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easttexaslefty Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 04:42 PM
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14. You are an incredibly brave & honest man.
Good job. This is the hard work but in the end, the only kind that matters.
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:33 PM
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16. Thank you
I think at some point all of us go through a moment of truth; a point in our lives where we have to deal with some issue or another or cave in in denial. When we are honest with ourselves we start to grow.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 04:45 PM
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15. Wonderful post.

Thank you.
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:34 PM
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17. Thanks, Johnny
I'm glad you liked it.
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:36 PM
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18. I am so glad you've found true love and she found you.
Looking forward to seeing you both in a couple of weeks. We'll talk and work out the details :)

:hug: :loveya: :hug:

aA
kesha
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:47 PM
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20. Thanks, kesha
We are looking forward to seeing you, too, and Jen says hi. Jen wants to know if you drink wine. We've got a pretty good winery down this way called Oliver that makes some tasty sweet wines if you like that sort of thing.
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:07 PM
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23. We do enjoy wine!
All kinds are good.

k.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:39 PM
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19. Sweet
And thanks for this. It's never cut and dried. Support, family and friends make all the difference. Thank you for being part of that difference.
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:51 PM
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21. Thank you
Yep, support from loved ones can help a great deal. And, lacking that, support groups both online and in person can be a good supplement to your treatment.
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:01 PM
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22. Tobin!!!
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I could go on and on about The Lounge and the good people/connections/relationships that I've found
in it (I actually DID and just FUCKING DELETED all of it), but let me say this:
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It's rare and wonderful to be able to say, "There is X... he/she is a courageous -- even heroic -- human
being. He/she is also my friend."
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You, Tobin, are one of those rare and wonderful occasions.
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:hug: :grouphug:
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:28 PM
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25. Thank you very much, MFM
I remember your posts in gratitude to the people here back when you were having such a rough time in recovery from your surgery, so I know what you are talking about. :)

It's good to call you a friend, too. The comics and self-deprecating humor that you provide us probably help people every bit as much as my revealing stories of my inner world as I deal with mental illness- or maybe I should say as I've dealt with it. God, I hope so. A person might wander into the lounge after having a very bad day or series of them and see some of the things you've posted and suddenly maybe things don't look so bleak. Maybe an impossible situation now appears to have a solution.

I'll take the low road and you take the high road. I'll wander in the darkness lighting the candles and you can plant shade trees for shelter from the sun.

Well I guess I'm getting melodramatic, but you get the picture. :)
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 10:11 PM
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28. Thank you
Intelligent, perceptive, and down to earth - first class advice from a friend. As it happens, issues to do with jobs/work have had me struggling with these issues (in low order forms) for the last decade - and one of my racing friends is a child psycholigist. Toby's advice very much echoes his in tone and content, and that's a major endorsement from me.
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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:16 AM
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29. Thank you very much, Mopar
I appreciate the words of support. :)

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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:09 AM
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31. Glad to hear things are going well and you found a nice SO.
"I put everything down in writing. I just got all of that shit out of my head where I could see it good and knocked them all down one by one. "

I'm going to try that.

:toast: :yourock:

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 12:51 AM
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32. !!!!!!!!!!!!
:hug:
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