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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:40 PM
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Poll question: Does God exist?
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 06:13 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:41 PM
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1. Insufficient evidence to support either theory
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Hokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:44 PM
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2. There is absolutely no evidence
I disagree with your assertion. There is abundant evidence that a god does not exist and no, not any, evidence that god does exist.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:45 PM
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3. Prove that "god" doesn't exist
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 05:45 PM by Fenris
Prove that "god" exists or does not.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:46 PM
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5. For that matter, prove that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:01 PM
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14. You can't, except to...
identify the stories where the critter was invented.

But, with the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy... one can argue that while the actual characters don't exist, the concept of their existence is very useful.

To a young child, they are all very real, and are good things.

To the adult, they may be fanciful, but they still have a certain appeal and usefulness.

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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:45 PM
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4. But... what if existence is God?
Existence exists, that's for sure.

Just messin' with ya. :7
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:55 PM
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11. I'd sure like to hear proof that God doesn't exist
You can't prove or disprove faith. I could tell you that Martians live in my basement; it is impossible for you to disprove that.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:03 PM
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16. I could break into your house and look in your basement.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:30 PM
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20. And I could tell you they are invisible,
and not detectable by any of the five human senses. Then breaking into my basement and finding no Martians would prove nothing. :)
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:20 PM
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22. Which would prove
that there are no Martians in your basement, but that you believe there are anyway.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:02 PM
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23. No, it would just prove that
there are no Martians in my basement that are detectable by human senses.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:08 PM
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24. That's mere sophistry.
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 09:41 PM by Feanorcurufinwe

It would prove to everyone but you that there are no Martians in your basement.


If you want to believe the sun rises in the West, despite the evidence of your senses, you can. That doesn't mean it can't be proven otherwise, it just means you are delusional.

And repeating a delusion ad nauseum doesn't lend it any validity.

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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:36 PM
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25. No, you can't prove that the sun rises in the West,
because we are working with known definitions. Please prove to me that the sun rises in the west.

Here's why my argument is not sophistic: nobody knows what a

Martian looks like (sorta like God, which is why I made the original statement), or even if they could be detected, so it's egocentric to say that because WE can't see Martians, they aren't there. Just like God. Nobody can prove God exists, and nobody can prove he doesn't. It's a question of faith, not science, and the two don't intersect.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:48 PM
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29. Yes if you want to have believe in invisible Martians in your basement.
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 09:49 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
No one will be able to convince you otherwise. That is true.


nobody knows what a Martian looks like

That just isn't true. We have probes on Mars right now. We know there are no Martians. Again, simply stating nonsense doesn't make it valid or reasonable.


Nobody can prove God exists, and nobody can prove he doesn't. It's a question of faith, not science, and the two don't intersect.

That is also true.

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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:54 PM
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30. We have probes on Mars,
but they haven't covered every square inch. There are other ways out of that argument, anyhow:

1) All the Martians have left, and they live in my basement
2) Since the Martians are not detectable by human senses, probes won't detect them either.

My point is that until we see a Martian, we can't define it...just like God. Therefore, it's impossible to prove the existence or non-existence of either entity.

Now, to be fair, I'm just being a pain in the ass. I don't believe Martians exist. But "proving" almost anything is tilting at windmills, because it just isn't possible.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:55 PM
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31. You did say one more true thing. I let you guess what it was.
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 10:18 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
;)
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:55 PM
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12. Sorry...
there is no physical evidence either for or against the existence of God.

Belief or nonbelief is a matter of faith. Those who loudly proclaim there is no God are doing exactly what those who loudly proclaim there is a God are doing.

And, that's even before we get into the question of just what God, or gods, may be.

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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:38 PM
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28. Bingo
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:47 PM
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6. no. n/t
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Intelsucks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:49 PM
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7. There is a God... Proof: Hot chicks
:evilgrin:
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:02 PM
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15. Where did he put the Hot Chicks Room?
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:37 PM
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26. God works in mysterious ways
And when he has some time off to kick back, he doesn't want to find you in the Hot Chicks Room. Maybe next life, grasshopper.

:-)
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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:50 PM
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8. Someone should show these results to the freepers
Who think we're all godless heathens....(not that there's anything wrong with godless heathens, but we should dispel that myth...)
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:54 PM
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9. Rather monotheistic viewpoint in this poll :)
Just a gentle nudge from those of us who are polytheistic. ;)

:hi:
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:07 PM
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18. It is up to you to supply the definition of God in this poll.
If you believe using the term in the singular means a monotheist conception of God, just answer the poll based on your belief.

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happyending Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 05:55 PM
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10. define "God"
n/t
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:00 PM
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13. That's up to you.
Define God for yourself, and answer the poll based on that definition.

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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:04 PM
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17. God
I really don't know. It seems that, if theortetical physics proves true, there may be several different gods out there if there are multiple universes. I've been intrigued by the notion of parallel or tangent universes that could exist. Maybe god is the one being that's figured out and knows how to manipulate the existence of and travel to and from these alternate realities. In that case, such human concepts as linear time and even tangible space could be relative. It's a point where science and metaphysics overlap.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:16 PM
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19. If atheists raised a child in isolation
and that child was never told about 'God' or exposed to cultural references to 'God', would that child independently arrive at the concept?

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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:38 PM
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27. Not enough information
Will the child have to take math tests?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:38 PM
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35. Could you please enlighten me as to the relevance of that?
Do math tests have to mention God or something?

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 12:34 PM
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37. It's an allusion to a very old joke
"Kids pray in school every day...just before they have to take a math test"
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:37 PM
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21. I think there must have been an original transcendental spark
I'm extremely anthropomorphic, and sometimes question whether humanity is G-d incarnate. A little much, I suppose.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:31 PM
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32. of course there is God, I see His hand at work every day
in my life and everywhere else.
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:32 PM
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33. does peter pan exist?
how about red riding hood?, I could go on but to me it's rather equated.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:36 PM
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34. God(s)?
Man creates god(s) in his own image.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 10:39 PM
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36. erroring on the side of safety...perhaps.....but these mars rovers may ...
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 10:40 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
blow this error to pieces
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