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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:45 PM
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Evoting Fraud - we have 2 yrs to fix it - or bye-bye democracy
http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud.htm

November 4th - 30 percent of all Presidential ballots were cast this year, using electronic voting (Evoting). With Evoting, it is very easy to change the results of an election. And no one can prove it, since there is no paper trail (no hard copy).

I believe this is the most important issue all progressives face. Bush didn't "win" reelection - it was stolen (read here)*. Not only did Bush steal the Whitehouse again; but they also swept the South's Senate seats. And, they even ousted Senator Tom Daschle** by a very "close" margin. This probably sent a very ominous message to the other Senate Dems: "mess with us and we won't keep you around as a "token" minority." This is the first time in 53 years that a party Leader has been beaten. A GOP spokesman described Daschle as an "obstructionist" (threat - don't get in our way!).
* http://www.independentmediasource.com/index.html#A_Stolen_Election_-_AGAIN!
* http://daschle.senate.gov/bio.html

I believe in two years, they will try to "finish the job". They will try to defeat enough Democratic Senators to take away their ability to filibuster*. If this happens, there will be no stopping them! They will be able to appoint the most extremist right-wing judges, etc. They will have unchecked power - since they will have total control of all branches of our federal government. In effect, our country will become a total fascist state!
*A device, used only in the Senate, to delay or prevent a vote by time-consuming talk. It can be stopped only by a 60-member vote of the senators present and voting.

Clearly, this should be THE most important issue for all of us. I'm not suggesting that you give up any other causes you have. But we all must give very serious effort to stop Evoting Fraud. If we don't, it is very possible that our other progressive interests will be greatly marginalized, if not outright eliminated. So I suggest devoting as much time to this as your other causes, until all States and all elections have a paper trail.

I have created a new web page ("Evoting Fraud")*, that is devoted to informing, educating and bringing about the end of the paperless ballot.

I will add to this page daily. Please email me with any link suggestions; and check back regularly. <I now contains: 23 articles, four movies to watch online, one book to read online, etc. more to come.>

* http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud.htm

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PROPAGATE THESE ARTICLES AND THIS SITE EVERYWHERE! (Use the "email this page to a friend" button - paste it in your email program and broadcast it to everyone on your address book - copy and paste it everywhere on the internet, etc. Our free country may very well depend on it!)
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:48 PM
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1. we saw 2000 Florida - 4yrs later same F--k--g mess - what makes you think
that another two will fix anything? Don't kid yourself. Drastic measures are needed and needed now. NOW! Prove the fraud NOW! If we want to fix this, IT HAS TO HAPPEN NOW.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:51 PM
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2. Now is the time!

Expose them now!

When will any of our leaders speak up about this, why are their heads in the sand?

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:57 PM
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5. Don't Forget the Diebold Field Test in Georgia 2002
As much as 16-point shifts to the Rethuglicans.

Bye-bye Senator Max Cleland and Governor Roy Barnes.

DRE = Diebold Republican Electing Machinez


      We Make Democracy DIE
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:14 PM
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7. "IT HAS TO HAPPEN NOW" people must be "educated" quickly
Right now, the media is talking about how great the machines worked; and how we were beat by "social values". I even see people who are "knowledgeable" at least swallowing the second part of this.

WE WEREN'T BEAT, WE WERE ROBBED!

Until enough people understand this(progressives included) nothing will probably happen. But its gotta happen fast! This next two years really may be our last chance. That's why I just stayed up over 24 hours to make that page. This is my number one priority. Think about how you can "spread the word".
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:53 PM
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3. blackboxvoting.org has started a huge Freedom of Information Act
action.

They need $$, donate at http://www.blackboxvoting.org

I think it's a good idea, on top of everything...
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:55 PM
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4. Why are NONE of the Dems in Congress saying anything about this?

What the hell is wrong with paper ballot and pen anyway? They're so much cheaper, too! Use of the Diebold machines just made Diebold a lot richer, and delivered votes in the way * wanted.


Mike Malloy's slogan- The machines have GOT TO GO!
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:09 PM
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6. don't hold your breath
In the immortal words of John Forbes Kerry "stop crying into your teacups" (r.e. voter fraud in the election of 2000)

I think that's as much as you can expect from the democratic party on voter fraud and BBV.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:26 PM
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8. The next step: Give the dems an ultimatum
If we can build progressive mass momentum on this subject, we can give the dems a choice. Stop "playing it safe", and tackle this issue, or we all go enmass and support an independent "Green", etc. This makes sense. If the dems don't take action soon, we have nothing to lose by supporting a 3rd party candidate. If they won't take a chance, maybe ts time for a new party anyway to replace them. <Parties have come and gone here in the last 200+ years.>
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:23 AM
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9. Wexler (sp) in Florida has a law suit for a paper trail
and it was dismissed -- he appealed and it was dismissed.

He has been fighting this as has the black caucus.

Many of the dems are aware -- but they get almost zero press. I've contacted my Senators & Congressional Rep and they all have assured me that they are aware of BBV (of course this is WA state -- and Bev Harris is headquarted in this state).

From time to time the media covers this.

But bottom line -- unless we get a paper ballot -- so that the ballots can be counted -- NO DEMOCRAT WILL BE ELECTED AS PRESIDENT EVER EVER AGAIN IN THE US. Also in two years the BBV will be used to put more GOP Senators in Congress to give the GOP a filibuster Senate.

And then bush will have absolute power and as we know absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I think we all realize this and I am singing to the choir.

Computer Engineers and anyone who knows anything about computers and programs could have predicted all the problems experienced and many of the ways to hack the computer.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:05 PM
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10. We need a list of all govt proponents - Read in - Add more
I heard Holt has a bill in Congress; and I think Hillary Clinton has one in the Senate too.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:37 PM
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11. We need ballot initatives NOW
in all states that allow them, for free, fair and VERIFABLE elections.

Basically, a ballot initative that would force your state to provide a paper trail that can be audited by human beings.

I've just started researching this in Ohio. I would be interested in possible verbiage for this - if any of you DU'ers have suggestions.
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:59 AM
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12. TruVote Systems
I agree that the e-vote situation is the most important issue we face. It is clear that we only have two years to stop the scam that is being perpetrated upon us by the BushCo "machine".

We need a coordinated effort to lobby our legislators, support more progressives for elected office, and get more progressives onto election boards and oversight commissions. At the same time, we need to educate the public, and generate awareness to establish a strong base of support in our communities to make these goals reality.

So far it seems to me that the decision as to what company will provide a particular voting machine to a state is made at the state level, not the federal level.

With the current makeup of the House and Senate, lobbying our federal legislators will ultimately have the effect of "registering a complaint" that will be soundly ignored by the repug majority in both Houses. That's why it's important that we activate immediately at the state level to get initiatives passed decreeing accountability and verified voting in as many states as possible. Let's work "under the radar" so to speak to position ourselves to defend our states rights.

All of the above are neccessary and important to the cause of bringing fairness and accuracy back to the vote. However, I believe that it's just as important to have an alternate solution ready and available when we go to our legislators and to our communities. This is the only way to effect real change in such a short amount of time.

That's where TruVote comes in.

I just started researching the company based on a previous post here on DU, and this article I found dated 10/30/04 is quite interesting.

http://www.tennessean.com/business/archives/04/11/60549101.shtml

It seems that the company is looking for a new president and investors. It's product and limited track record are very impressive and the product is a viable competitor against the other voting machines on the market. It's my hope that progressive investors would get involved with this company before the repug money machine washes it out of existence.

Perhaps this is a company that we can get behind to offer as a viable solution to our legislators and communities to effect real change quickly.

We've seen the resources that we progressives have when we come together as an activism block. Millions were raised for Dr. Dean, MoveOn.org, John Kerry, and now BlackBoxVoting.org. We had hundreds of lawyers and other professionals activated at the polls this past week.And now we have the anger and the desire...

It seems as if a TruVote project may be a worthy project, but that's just one man's opinion. What do you think? What can we do?
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