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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:21 AM
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About Those Voting Machines . . .
Here's another activist opportunity.

It looks like the DNC has left Election Reform on the back burner.

In Ohio, Bob Fitrakis goes further, saying;

The Democratic National Committee's investigation into Ohio's 2004 presidential election irregularities is the perfect postscript to the party's 'election protection' efforts last fall: it is a shocking indictment of a party caught completely off-guard in its most heated presidential campaign in years, and a party that still doesn't fully understand what happened and how to avoid a repeat in the future.

The report primarily documents the fact that Jim Crow voter suppression tactics targeting Democratic African-American voters were rampant in Ohio's cities during the 2004 presidential election. It cites and spends most of its time analyzing the most visible problems: from shortages of voting machines in minority precincts, to unreasonable obstacles to voter registration, to disproportionate use of provisional ballots on Election Day among new voters and Democratic constituencies, to inadequate poll worker training and election administration, to poor post-Election Day record keeping.

But the DNC reports says those factors do not mean John Kerry won the election, nor does it mean that the new electronic voting machines are unreliable — even though some of the precincts with the highest percentages of reported problems were outfitted with the new electronic voting machines, known as DREs. The DNC asked for access to the new electronic voting machines and their software, but was denied by local election officials and the private manufacturers. The report leaves the matter there.

It is statements like this one, on page 189, and a failure to follow-through that make the report more than a disappointment to election protection workers, voter rights advocates and those grassroots activists who worked for John Kerry's campaign. Speaking of the new electronic voting machines, the DNC report states, that "many of the county boards (of elections) do not actually control the electronic records created during the tallying process." When the Fairfield County Board of Elections was asked for election results, they merely forwarded data from a private vendor.


In short, we're on our own to force action from legislators.

One of the best resources for activism on Digital Voting Machines is VerifiedVoting.org.

The founder of Verified Voting is David L. Dill, Professor of Computer Science, Stanford University. He recently testified before the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration, June 21, 2005. Here is some of his testimony;

Unfortunately, paperless e-voting technology is almost totally opaque. No one can scrutinize critical processes of the election, such as the collection of ballots and counting of votes, because those processes occur invisibly in electronic circuits. Voters have no means to confirm that the machines have recorded their votes correctly, nor do they have any assurance that their votes won't be changed later. Paperless e-voting, in its current form, is a threat to democracy.

The basic problem of e-voting can be understood without an in-depth knowledge of computer technology. Here is a helpful analogy: Suppose voters dictated their votes, privately and anonymously, to human scribes, and that the voters were prevented from inspecting the work of the scribes. Few would accept such a system, on simple common-sense grounds. Obviously, the scribes could accidentally or intentionally mis-record the votes with no consequences. Without accountability, a system is simply not trustworthy, whether or not computers are involved.

You don't need a Ph.D. in computer science to understand the basic problem with computerized voting. Computer systems are so complex that no one really knows what goes on inside them. We don't know how to find all the errors in a computer system; we don't know how to make sure that a system is secure or that it hasn't been corrupted (possibly even by its designers); and we don't know how to ensure that the systems in use are running the software they are supposed to be running. Technologists have not been able to solve these problems even with measures that are far more sophisticated (and costly) than those used in the design and certification of voting equipment.

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Our democracy is too precious to entrust to an ill-conceived and flawed technology. I would urge you to take up legislation in this session to ensure that our election systems allow each voter to verify that his or her vote is properly recorded. Several bills requiring voter-verified audit trails on all election equipment by the 2006 election have been introduced already. If you act promptly, it is possible that every voter could use such a system in the next major election.


You can learn how to frame the debate, address the issues, be organized, have lots of lawyers, win the media war and still lose the election.

Do you think an administration that would lie to justify an invasion would have any qualms about engaging in voter fraud?

Think again.

Get involved.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:28 AM
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1. Great post--can't say enough good things about it.
The DNC Report on Ohio is a sham and a joke. It's a collection of consultant papers slammed together with a common graphic format for each page. Look at it and you'll see that there is actual letter head from the consultants starting some of the chapters.

The most rediculous part of the report is the 100 some pages devoted to proving that Ohio was not stolen. The whole report is only 200 pages so I guess helping Bush and Blackwell is a key agenda item.

This was a project of Donna Brazile. She sure took her time. Conyers was there after the election and had a preliminary report out in a few weeks. Brazile takes this long and produces garbage.

The state and local parties need to wake up and they need tools. Dean needs to hear from DFA and grow a spine on this issue. He knows it's garbage. What's holding him back from his wonderful candor and insight.

A comprehensive explanation of fraud--text and key links
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:34 AM
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2. "This was a project of Donna Brazile."
How is it that this person is given any responsibility to do anything for the Democrats, with her record?

I thought it was only the republicans that reward gross incompetence with greater responsibility.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:44 AM
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4. haha...DNC is like Hollywood. Oh, you lost millions, here's a new movie!
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 10:45 AM by autorank
Well, they could have picked four time (losing) presidential campaign manager Bob Shrum to do it.

Yes, it is pathetic. Dean got rolled. The Conyers people were outraged, I hear, but kept quiet since they are busy doing what DNC should do.

Oh, and you want to get really pissed off. Why has the DNC for decades put up with losing 1-3 million votes each presidential cycle due to "spoilage" in minority districts?

Why did DNC fail to jump all over the State of Florida-NAACP Consent Decree after FL 2000 in which Florida agreed that they did all the things NAACP said they didi--thereby admitting that they stole that election.

PS. Look where Kerry's top campaign aids went...3 of 4 went to nasty Republican lobbying firms. Hmmm....

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY
A comprehensive explanation of fraud--text and key links
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:52 AM
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5. Can you share link or documentation for your PS? Thanks.
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 10:53 AM by Fly by night
I always thought that folks close to Kerry had sabotaged the process. Documentation for your statement would add weight to that suspicion. Thanks.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:44 AM
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8. Can't find the original article but check this out. Find it later for you
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:37 AM
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3. Just sent DNC my comments and a link to this article
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 10:43 AM by cyberpj
Also told them I refuse to contribute another penny until they actually address and expose the fraud and legislate to protect my vote - otherwise, nothing else they do matters.

And I actually thought Dean could make a difference.

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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:01 AM
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6. Guess what's NOT on the MoveOn front page?
Hint: "Election Reform"

We can change that.

Issue: What is the most important goal for MoveOn.org Political Action to pursue in the next four years?

Share your perspective, and read and rate viewpoints expressed by others. This forum helps us set our agenda at MoveOn.org Political Action.


Cruise the forum and rate 'Election Reform' issues as top priority.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:15 AM
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7. Nominated - 3rd vote
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 11:16 AM by lady lib
I'm angry and frustrated with the DNC. It would have been better if they had said nothing rather than sabotaging the election reform movement with their report. What the hell were they thinking?!
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:17 PM
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9. Bring out the hacks! - "In Praise of E-Voting Machines"
Here is an example of what we're up against;

In Praise of E-Voting Machines

(I posted these comments to Sonia's article earlier today...)

To properly understand the intent of this article and the smug assurances contained within, it's helpful to understand where Sonia Arrison (SA) is pitching from.

SA "...is director of Technology Studies at the California-based Pacific Research Institute and co-author of Upgrading America's Ballot Box: The Rise of E-voting."

PRI describes itself thusly;

"...a free-market think tank providing practical solutions for the issues that impact the daily lives of all individuals."


Fair enough.

Now let's look at the report, "Upgrading America's Ballot Box: The Rise of E-voting" of which she is a co-author. The report, freely available at the PRI home page, opens with this quote;

"Electronic voting has, unfortunately, moved from the realm of science and statistics to conspiracy theory by overheated partisans. Sonia Arrison and Vince Vasquez puncture the myths of the conspiracists in their paper. Even leading Democrats such as Joe Andrew, Bill Clinton’s handpicked chairman of the Democratic National Committee, have pointed out that while problems remain that demand vigilance, electronic voting aids the poor, the elderly, minorities, and is more accurate. Last year, Mr. Andrew lamented that “When it comes to electronic voting, most liberals are just plain old-fashioned nuts.” Those who want to lay out the facts on electronic voting now have a powerful weapon in this Pacific Research Institute paper."


Wow! No partisan trickery here folks! Just good old fashioned common sense! Thank goodness!

For a minute there I was under the impression that SA might a paid political operative, but no, she just works for a 'free-market think tank' that touts a report categorizing e-voting skeptics as nutty liberals.

Moving on...

"...in the history of DREs, no one has found any evidence of the machines being used for fraudulent purposes."


In the history of rhetoric, this is called a 'straw-man'. More to the point, nobody has been convicted of fraud in a case involving DRE's... yet.

Who said anybody was?

The issue is the ability for a voter to verify his/her vote.

The issue is how to audit an election reliably... that won't happen with an electromagnetic recorder that can be manipulated without leaving any trace.

I'm afraid I must discard this article as a partisan hack piece with the intent to sell a false sense of security to possible DRE clients.

Among those whom she labels 'Luddites' are computer scientists, the Johns Hopkins University, and healthy, skeptical Americans who want their votes counted properly.

Some of them are even {gasp!} REPUBLICANS.

Nice try, SA.

Hint: The effectiveness of 'Conspiracy Theorist' is getting a little shop-worn, don't ya think?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:03 PM
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10. Part of the reason for the Democratic Party's catastrophic failure of
leadership in permitting Bushite companies to gain control of the vote tabulation with SECRET, PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE is the bipartisan corruption, of state/local election officials, and among legislators, on the BIG BUSINESS DEALS that our election systems have become. Check out this lavish lobbying hogfest--a week of fun and sun and "graduation awards" (??!) for our election officials from around the country--sponsored by Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, at the Beverly Hilton this August--

Amaryllis' post on the Beverly Hilton event--it will burn your eyeballs!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

A featured speaker at these Diebold/ES&S/Sequoia games in Hollywood this August will be Connie McCormack, Democrat, head of Los Angeles county elections, whose best friend is Deborah Siler, former chief salesperson for Diebold in California (now asst. registrar for Solano County). McCormack was a leader in the destruction of CA Dem Sec of State Kevin Shelley, who had sued Diebold for the lies they told about the security of their machines, had decertified Diebold and other touchscreens prior to the 2004 election, and had provided Californians with a paper ballot option. McCormack told a legislative committee she wanted to "drive a bulldozer" into the Sec of State's office, so frustrated was she at Shelley's efforts to protect our right to vote from her friends' election theft machines.

Bipartisan: CA's former Sec of State, Repub Bill Jones, and his chief aide, Alfie Charles, now work for Sequoia (they had authorized Sequoia systems in Calif.) Shelley forbade this kind of "revolving door" employment in his office, and tried to put a stop to this and other kinds of questionable conduct among county election officials as well.

At the national level, no one, besides Tom Delay, is more responsible for our non-transparent, unverifiable election systems than Dem Sen. Christopher Dodd.

It is an uphill battle to overcome this corruption, but we must do it--and the fight needs to take place state by state, county by county, where the power over election systems still resides, and where ordinary people still have some say. Bush's "pod people" in Congress are NOT going to give us back our right to vote. They like things the way they are.

The answer to the stink in Washington DC is restoring our right to vote, by throwing these Bushite electronic voting machine companies--Diebold, ES&S and brethren--out of the election business NOW--or, at the least, achieving some measure of election transparency with paper ballot backups, strict auditing, and no secret, proprietary programming code owned and controlled by major Bush donors and campaign chairs!

I mean, is that a no-brainer, or what--DNC?!!!

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See the DU Forum "2004 Election Results and Discussion" for information and action ideas:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:45 PM
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11. Red Hook, NY : Verified Voting Forum with Bo Lipari...town hall meeting...
Red Hook: Verified Voting Forum with Bo Lipari

Date : 23 July 2005 From : 1:00pm To : 2:30pm
Category : Fair Elections

Event Description :

A presentation for concerned voters of Dutchess County. Voters can find out more about voting systems using paper ballots, and what action is needed to take to ensure a sound democracy.

A presentation at the Red Hook Town Hall, with Bo Lipari of New Yorker's for Verified Voting, an expert on voting machine technology and the issues HAVA (Help America Vote Act) have on our voting process.

At the Red Hook Town Hall, Red Hook, Dutchess County, New York, 12571

Like many computer professionals, Bo is concerned about the rush to use touch screen electronic voting machines in our elections. He has been speaking and organizing all over New York State alerting people to the problems with electronic voting, and the potential for compromising the integrity of our elections.

Bo has presented to many groups, among them the American Association of University Women, the Alliance for Democracy, Cornell University, NYU, Ulster County Community College, SUNY Oneonta, and League of Women Voters chapters, Rotary Clubs, and many other organizations all over New York State.

Bo is the Director of New Yorkers for Verified Voting, a citizens group working for secure, reliable, accessible, and verifiable standards for voting systems and elections.




Email : bolipari@nyvv.org
More info : www.nyvv.org
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:31 PM
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12. kick
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:49 AM
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13. Yes. This is priority #1. (nt)
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:21 PM
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14. Here's my take on why it's totally safe to question elections
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:57 AM
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15. Voter's Right March in Atlanta this Saturday, Aug 6th
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