The Clinton/Clark vs. Gore/Dean competition ...

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

... is not about ideology ... it's simply about control of the party. As far as who represent the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" - it's neither.

Let's not forget that it was Gore who was the Chief Pimp for Nafta, along with mini-me Dean to get the state governments in line. It may have been Clinton's trick, but he couldn't have done it without Gore.

This split sounds like less than ideology and more like personal animosity - but you must admit that the Gore/Dean faction has the middle rank of the party - from Jesse Jackson Jr. to AFSCME and SEIU to Bill Bradley. I say the Clinton/Clark faction is too international and too tied to the "Main Street" corporate interests to get the unions and blacks behind them, when they have the more domestic-oriented centrists in the Gore/Dean faction to hook up with. Neither side would dare challenge the "Wall Street" corporate interests of the financial industry - the Democrats haven't stood up to them since 1911, and look what happened to Nixon when he tried!

It's certainly been an educational primary season for me ...

[eileen from OH]

1. Um, I know what you're against, but

what/who are you FOR?

eileen from OH

[catforclark2004]

2. Personally, I am

with the winners...that would be Clinton...the last 2 term Democratic President we had. The losers are ok...but the track records doesn't look too good.

[Larkspur]

3. But Gore got more votes than Clinton did in 1992 and 1996

and Gore got 9 out of 10 African American votes in 2000, more than Bill Clinton did.

Al Gore won the popular vote by far more than Bill Clinton ever did, and under Bill Clinton, the Democratic Party lost lots members, while the Repukes kept theres. Dean, not Clark, is rejuvenating the Democratic Party from the grassroots up.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

4. democracy

that's what I'm for - what about you?

[krondor88]

5. Al Sharpton

Launching into a tirade against Democratic centrists
during an interview on Washington, D.C. TV station WJLA,
Sharpton complained that it's been all downhill for
Democrats since Clinton took over 10 years ago.

"Bill Clinton won, the party didn't," railed the radical
reverend. "And Bill Clinton not have won if it had
not been for Perot."

"That is my point - centrism killed this party," he
insisted. "We didn't regain the Congress in 1998.... In
2000 we lost it all. In 2002 we were demolished, we were
demolished. We lost everything as a party."

Sharpton said Democrats certainly couldn't do any worse if
they nominated him for president, since the party seems to
be flatlining already.

"People are saying, 'Will Sharpton, the Progressive, kill
the party?' The party's dead. I've come to help start the
resurrection," he announced.

[yelladawg]

6. As long as they join forces

As long as they join forces at the convention to beat bush2.

[He loved Big Brother]

7. Predictable post, as usual.

One would think you'd get bored after awhile.

[w4rma]

8. So what's your proposal? You just thinking out loud?

:hi: