How can Clark appeal to Greens?

[mot78]

He's doing well in Red states, and with RINOs, but because of his praise for *'s cabinet three years ago, I'm concerned that he'll give many Greens an incentive not to vote or vote for someone else. How can Clark win their favor and still be able to garner RINO support? Would his VP choice affect likely Green voter's decisions?

...I think there's a way that Clark can overcome his comments about *, and that is to emphasize the truth: he was apolitical until * started screwing things up, and he wants to be the candidates of Democrats, Republicans, Greens, and Independents. He should do this preemptively, before he has the nomination secured, so the GOP caricature machine won't have enough time in ingrain the attacks into voters' heads.

[The Sushi Bandit]

1. What the frick is RINO's?

And what is a RED state???

Explain yourself, Lucy!

[mot78]

2. RINO (Republican In Name Only) Red states are states that voted for Bush

[Leilani]

3. He needs to lay out plans

for an environmentally healthy planet.

Even RINOS are strong on the environment.

Need to move from fossil fuels, create jobs based on new technology.

I've heard him speak about these issues.

He also needs to tell what he did in military...endangered species, etc.

[FrenchieCat]

4. He can kick

Bush's ass back to Texas...which he will.

Check out the Appollo Alternative Energy thread!

He can denounce Bush at every single step of the way....done that

He can have done good in the world like fought against Genocide....done that

He suggest to make the tax code more progressive.......done that

He can speak out against PNAC.....done that

He can be for the Kyoto Treaty.....done that....

[Kahuna]

7. He can and will round up the bushistas and try them for treason..

beginning with the election theft of 2000 and the Iraq "invasion."

[BobbyJay]

10. How though? The GOP controls Congress.

Why do you think there were so many BS "investigations" of Clinton? The Republicans controlled all the committees.

[cally]

5. Depends on which Green voters you mean

I think many folks voted Green because they do not like either major party. They don't like how both parties are beholden to special interests. Clark will probably not get those voters. However, he can get the environmental voters. He has the best environmental plan of any of the candidates IMHO. His comments on global warming in a recent interview showed that he completely understands the risk we all face. He is pushing alternative fuels.

[Lefta Dissenter]

18. And endorsed by

Former WI Governor and U.S. Senator Gaylord Nelson - that's as strong an environmental endorsement as you can get.

[EXE619K]

6. Use Gen. H Shelton's statements?

I think a "reverse" negative strategy might work.

IMO, I think Clark's stocks have plummeted with more "liberal" folks because of the past "speeches" he has given. I know it did with me.

Although I still have my reasons for not supporting the good general, I've decided to give him the benefit of the doubt on his stance as a "center-left" candidate due to all the negative shit that former DA folks have been saying about him.

I've heard a lot of negative "rumors" about him while serving in USAEUR. Many establishment CO types saying things like "Clark thinks he's better than us" type of criticism.

I realized that if the "establishment" types in the service had so much angst about him, it can only be a good thing: Clark is not an "ordinary" General. Because, for all you vets out there, you know how the military runs rampant with cronies and Clark sets himself above the "Career Military" types.

If Gen. Clark is a poster boy for the military complex, why do the other DA cronies saying crap about him?




DEAN LEADS THE WAY!

[BootinUp]

19. thats what I call

open-minded comments.

cheers.

[KaraokeKarlton]

8. Greens are against School of the Americas aren't they?

And weren't they mostly all against going to Iraq? I don't foresee Clark having much, if any luck appealing to Greens.

[BobbyJay]

9. If Nader stays out of it,

I like our chances (if Clark's the nom).

[Turkw]

17. About the SOA, all the bad stuff taught I have read was changed, in fact

one of the anti-SOA links given in the SOA threads even stated that non-of the materials were used during the Clinton administration. Does anyone have factual information about what is taught now that would warrant closing it?

If so, please post, I would like to read it.

I have heard Clark talk about the SOA recently, his experience was that humanitarian training was a major part of it now.

Nobody defends the heinous material that was taught there in the past. The flimsy excuse about the cold war doesn't even come close the justifying it.

But, if the material taught there helps produce disciplined, well trained officers that have been exposed to information about Democracy and given humanitarianism. Why should it be closed?

There are huge problems in South America, the governments and military are certainly part of it. I see nothing especially redeeming about the major anti-government players though. The people of too many countries are caught between brutal violent groups.

Now I don't rule out any argument that there could be more reform or over site, in fact I like the idea of more over site.

[Printer70]

11. I think a Clark run will give Nader 5%

And federal matching funds in the next election. There's a groundswell of Dean support that won't buy into Clark's nomination.

[John_H]

12. I's bad strategy for any candidate to court tGreen support

the math is easy: The net gain/loss in vopes= the total number of greens minus the huge percentage of greens who live in states we'll win handily minus the smaller number in states we'll lose handily minus Greens who will vote Green no matter what because they are loyal Greens minus the number of votes we'd lose in important swing states such as Arizona, Arkansas, West Virginia, and Florida by adopting aspects of the Green platform. The result is a negative number to be sure.

In any case, your proposed strategy is a good one to reach out to voters accross the political spectrum. Nice idea.

[poskonig]

15. Most Greens are disgruntled Democrats.

The turnout problems of the Democratic Party and even modest showings by Greens are symptomatic of a larger issue.

[poskonig]

13. Keep talking about health care access, tax fairness,

and fuggitabout the "patriotism, family, and faith" GOP-speak. Eloquently defending issues is the only way Clark will energize the Democratic base.

[Forkboy]

14. Wont happen

[Mz Pip]

16. If people take the time

to read Clark's positions on the environment he should come out on top.

Clark has stated that the two legacies that we will leave is Constitutional legitimacy and our environment.

MzPip
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