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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:30 AM
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Kerry has historic tale to tell
By Bob Minzesheimer, USA TODAY

If the Democratic presidential race were judged by literary standards, John Kerry would not be lagging in the polls.
Not your typical campaign book: Tour of Duty revisits John Kerry's experience as a son of privilege fighting in Vietnam.

The Massachusetts senator is treated heroically in historian Douglas Brinkley's book, Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War (William Morrow, $25.95). Of the new books by or about the candidates, it's the most dramatic and revealing.



Not a typical campaign book, it deals with how a son of privilege enlisted in the Navy because it was his duty despite misgivings about the Vietnam War. It describes his role as a 25-year-old lieutenant in the ill-advised Operation Sealords in the rivers of Vietnam, how he was wounded three times and honored for valor. He emerged as an anti-war activist who asked a Senate committee in 1971: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

Brinkley, who succeeded his mentor, the late Stephen Ambrose, as director of the Eisenhower Center for American Studies at the University of New Orleans, says he isn't sure if the book will help Kerry's campaign. "There are still a lot of moral ambiguities about Vietnam," he says, which is why he finds it more interesting than the heroics of World War II chronicled by Ambrose in best sellers such as Band of Brothers.

Kerry gave Brinkley access to more than 1,000 pages of previously private diaries and letters from Vietnam that document his growing disillusionment with the war he was fighting.

Kerry saved them, intending to write a memoir. Instead, he gave them to Brinkley, who says, "I think he found them too painful to revisit himself."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/reviews/2004-01-15-kerry-books_x.htm


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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:37 AM
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1. So Kerry went to Vietnam.
He engaged people in war. He killed them. Then he felt bad about it. That's not a hero. That's his first flip-flop.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:43 AM
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2. Wow.
Attacking Kerry both for fighting in Vietnam and for having a conscience about it. Wow.

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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:04 AM
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4. He killed people in an unjust war.
Those lives are GONE. Never to be lived again. Kerry took them. Shame on him.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:06 AM
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7. I take it you don't know many vietnam veterans
If you did, you would be ashamed of what you posted.

This kind of attitude is partially responsible for America's political right turn in the early seventies.

You should be ashamed.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:39 AM
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30. You should be ashamed. I hope your name "Clark" does not mean you
are a Clark supporter. You should be ashamed of that comment.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:44 AM
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3. Bullshit!
He learned a lesson the hard way. That's life bro! I was gung-ho to go fight in the Vietnam War when I was 17, but figured out pretty quickly that it was a bullshit war, once I got there. You have no right to judge him so harshly.
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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:06 AM
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6. "You have no right to judge him so harshly."
Yes I do. I'm an American. Just like you.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:15 AM
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8. You are nothing like me.
Its obvious you are not a veteran, and even more obvious that you have a lot to learn about the world you live in. Your remarks about Kerry are offensive, and uncalled for.
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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:28 AM
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10. Whatever.
I missed the draft by one year, but I could see that Vietnam was bullshit for a number of years before that. Bill Clinton found a way to avoid service there. I would have as well. This does not make me any less an American than anyone else, veterans included.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:36 AM
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12. No one is saying you are less of an American than anyone else,
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 04:38 AM by Feanorcurufinwe
we are just calling you task for attacking Kerry for serving in Vietnam, and for protesting Vietnam. Both actions that most Americans consider honorable, I think. Certainly most Democrats.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:36 AM
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13. The book in the original post --
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 04:40 AM by Ghost Consul
-- is the point, though. If you read it, you'll see one observer's assessment of Viet Nam. U.S. citizens had to enter this debate whether they wished to or not. It was an exhausting and polarizing time. Written accounts can help us navigate a difficult time in our history. Kerry was there and his notes, passed to Brinkley, are valuable.


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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:40 AM
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15. OK...dude...we are monsters....
I signed up in '63, was in boot camp by '64. Too bad I didn't know you back then, so you could have enlightened me as to what was up. By '66 I was back home protesting the war, arrested on the front steps of the Pentagon in '67. That war changed me forever. I was brainwashed, but I snapped out of it. I don't feel the least bit guilty about going to fight in that war. I am not saying you are less of an American than I am, I'm saying you are out to lunch if you think you have any right to judge Kerry for serving in the Vietnam war.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:48 AM
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31. My father served from 66-70. All I can say is that you sound like an
honorable man. Having the honor to serve and then to come back and have the strength to fight against it. So many men came home so devastated that they could not function. I have great respect for people who fight for our country.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:36 AM
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29. A message to webster_green
I thank you for your service.

I have a feeling many DUers such as Clark are perhaps too young to remember or even understand our country during the Viet Nam war.

I stand in awe of you and our VietNam veterans who had the courage to fight for our freedom and risk your lives despite public controversy. Our soldiers were not wrong to do so. Again, I stand in awe.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:20 AM
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9. I think your view is one-sided...
I lost a friends from high school in that war. One, who used to save me a seat on the school bus every day, was killed one month after he got there. Others returned, and were changed FOREVER, so in a sense they were lost, too. Every single person who served in Vietnam
deserves compassion, understanding, and respect for having gone through that experience.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:04 AM
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5. Feanorcurufinwe --
-- this is a great post. The original is timely and key to understanding how Senator Kerry thinks and your #2 here in these listings is note-perfect.

I think the criticism of Kerry by some in the press has been unfair. Kerry hasn't been able to dumb down his experience into little bite-size slogans, but your #2 here captures it.

Please fax it to Senator Kerry's office or campaign HQ and let them know that this would help.

I wrote to him before the Iraq vote last spring. His response was thoughtful and from the heart and mind both.

I loved this post and your #2 is pure essence. Thanks.
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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:33 AM
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11. Look.
I know I'm being a bit of an ass in this thread. I just don't think service, or lack of service, in Vietnam is relevant to an election 30+ years later. I really don't.

Sorry to have offended anyone.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:38 AM
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14. It certainly sounds like you think it is an appropriate topic
for a book by a historian, which is what this thread is about.

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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:46 AM
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16. Tangentially, yes.
However, I doubt that's the intention of this thread.
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namaste Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:18 AM
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20. I think the relevence is what it adds to the character...
of an individual, to have been in a situation like that. He has probably done a lot of soul searching, and grown as a human being as a result of the experience. From the things I have read, I believe that to be the case. And I doubt he would send anyone into a situation like that, as Bush has done, the IWR vote not withstanding.
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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:34 AM
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21. That's the problem...
the IWR vote. If not for that, he wouldn't need to use senatorial nuancespeak to explain away the vote. The fact is that you can always make a claim about what a vote is for, but it's the sponsors of the legislation that actually get to determine how the vote is utilized.
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namaste Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:48 AM
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25. I don't disagree with you at all about the vote.
I wish he hadn't voted for it. And I wish he would just say "I was wrong." But you know, people make mistakes, all of us do. The key is, do we continue to make the same ones? Bush lied to Kerry, as he did to all of us, and I think Kerry can use the lies as a campaign issue, even more strongly because he did vote for it. I didn't have to vote on the issue, and I am not going to bear a grudge against those who did, and overlook their good qualities because of this one issue.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:48 AM
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17. Excerpts
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 04:50 AM by Feanorcurufinwe

The following excerpts are drawn from Douglas Brinkley's Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War.
<snip>

There are so many ways this letter could become a bitter diatribe and go rambling off into irrational nothings. I don't know really where to begin -- everything is so hollow and ridiculous, so stilted and so empty. I have never in my life been so alone with something like this before. I feel so bitter and angry and everywhere around me there is nothing but violence and war and gross insensitivity. I am really very frightened to be honest because when the news sunk in I had no alternatives but to carry on in the face of trivia that forced me to build a horrible protective screen around myself. Something that has never happened to my feelings before. I could not even allow myself the right to think about what was happening as much as everything inside me wanted to. I was standing watch on the bridge when the executive officer called me over and after an ominous pause asked if I had a friend called Pershing. I just stood there frozen and then read your telegram knowing already in my heart the Godawful wasteful stuid thing that had happened...

Right now everything that is superficial and emotional wants to give up and just feel sorry but I can't. I am involved in something that keeps pushing on regardless of the individual and which even with what has happened must, I know deep, deep down inside me, be coped with rationally and with strength. I do feel strong and despite emptiness and waste, I still have hope and confidence. There is a beast in me that keeps pushing me on saying Johnny you can't let go because of this -- Johnny you find some sense from this -- Johnny you are too strong to stop now -- something keeps me going harder than before. Judy, if I do nothing else in my life I will never stop trying to bring to people the conviction of how wasteful and asinine is a human expenditure of this kind. I don't mean this in an all-consuming world saving fashion. I just mean that my own effort must be entire and thorough and that it must do what it can to help make this a better world to live in. I have not lost faith -- on the contrary -- I have gained a conviction and desire greater than ever before -- and now, a sense of inevitability -- a weighty fatalism that takes worry out of the small actions of late and makes the personal much more important.
<snip>
Then, Kerry wrote, he looked over at the young woman they had detained, "who was squatting in the rear of the PBR." She was defiant. She sat very calmly, watching the movements of the men who had just blown four of her countrymen to bits. She glared at me. I wondered about her boyfriend who was fighting us somewhere else. The PBR crew said that the men in the sampan got what they had coming to them but I felt a certain sense of guilt, shame, sorrow, remorse�something inexplicable about the way they were shot and about the predicament of the girl. I wanted to touch her and tell her that it was going to be all right but I didn't really know that it would be. Besides, she wouldn't have accepted my gesture with anything but scorn. I looked away and did nothing at all which was really all I could do. I hated all of us for the situation which stripped people of their self respect.

<snip>

"I know that most of my friends felt absolutely absurd going up a river holding a loaded weapon that was supposed to be used against someone who had never really done anything to you and on whose land you were now trespassing," Kerry wrote. "I had always felt that to kill, hate was necessary and I certainly didn't hate these people." In truth, he added, scanning the shore for suspicious movements to shoot at made him "feel like the biggest ass in the world." Kerry had explored similar feelings in a letter to his parents in December of 1968. Describing the sight of American soldiers and their Vietnamese girlfriends strolling down the streets of the U.S. rest-and-recreation-center city of Vung Tau one sunny afternoon, he reflected on the crucial difference between occupiers and liberators of war-torn places. "I asked myself what it would be like to be occupied by foreign troops�to have to bend to the desires of a people who could not be sensitive to the things that really counted in one's country," Kerry wrote in that letter. He had been considering Germany's occupation of France during World War II, he added, when "a thought came to me that I didn't like�I felt more like the German than the doughboy who came over to make the world safe for democracy and who rightfully had a star in his eye."

Less than three months later experience had brought him to another melancholy observation. He wrote in his war notes, It was when one of your men got hit or you got hit yourself that you felt most absurd�that was when everything had to have a meaning in order for it all to be worthwhile and inevitably Vietnam just didn't have any meaning. It didn't meet the test. When a good friend was hit and perhaps about to die, you'd ask if it was worth just his life alone�let alone all the others or your own.

"But the ease with which a man could be brought to kill another man, this always amazed me," he went on. Even more troubling to him was the imprimatur the U.S. military accorded this coldheartedness. To illustrate his point, he referred to the messages that would come in from the brass at Cam Ranh, praising the Swifts' gunners whenever they had killed a few Vietcong, and ending "Good Hunting": "Good Hunting? Good Christ - you'd think we were going out after deer or something - but here we were being patted on the back and receiving hopes that the next time we went out on a patrol we would find some more people to kill. How cheap life became."
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2003_1119a.html


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:53 AM
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18. Yes.
Well-chosen excerpts. They open into Kerry's big mind. And they draw a big contrast between this degree of thinking and that of the current White House resident.
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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:59 AM
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19. "How cheap life became."
Indeed. But why is service in Vietnam relevant in 2004? Even those who didn't serve can see how cheap life has become in Iraq. Kerry should have voted against the IWR. He knew better.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:41 AM
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22. You think it is so irrelevant that you've posted 8 messages saying so.
If you don't think it is relevant, don't buy the book, and don't use it as a basis for judging a candidate. OK?

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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:44 AM
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23. Hey.
Just trying to make a point. No need to be snippy. See ya.
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WealthAndDemocracy Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:46 AM
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24. He's not lagging in the polls anymore. He's up in Iowa by one point
:D
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 06:04 AM
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26. Kerry forgot everything he learned in time for IWR vote.
What good does going through an experience like that if you don't learn something from the experience? Kerry didn't continue to keep those lessons fresh in his mind. When it was time to stop another mess like Vietnam, Kerry had forgotten those lessons, and let it all happen again.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 06:46 AM
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27. IWR vote
It was in many ways an attempt to rein in Bush. Clinton had already gone to war without congressional approval in the Balkans so the precedent was there for Bush to use. Although the resolution did give Bush authority to act, it also attempted to impose some restraints, such as limiting the scope to Iraq, and although I agree the resolution was too weak, it did include the Presidential Determination clause which, Bush did not fulfill, because even if he sent a letter to Congress stating:

"(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, and (2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."
http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686


as is required in the resolution, that statement would be a lie. Iraq actually was complying and allowing inspections when Bush launched the war. So Bush is in clear violation of the resolution. This leaves Bush vulnerable to prosecution once out of office? Will we get to see him in handcuffs like Micheal Jackson? I think Kerry was just doing his best to wield whatever power he had as a Senator in the minority party. To tell you the truth, in hindsight I'm pretty sure Bush would've gone to war even without the resolution. And the other thing is that Kerry has been pretty hawkish on disarming Saddam all along. I think he urged Clinton to take a more aggressive stance back in '98. Well, it turns out Saddam had absolutely no WMD whatsoever, it was basically a suicidal bluff -- I didn't expect that - did you? I mean I thought they'd have a test tube or two of mustard gas or something!

I also think it is a false argument to accuse Kerry of political expediency on this vote for the simple reason that as someone who has been in politics most of his adult life, Kerry was fully aware that in both the liberal, activist community that votes most heavily in the primaries, and in liberal MA where he'll have to run for reelection someday if he doesn't become Prez, the popular vote would be against the resolution. I don't buy the idea that Kerry thought the primaries would be a walk and he only had to worry about the GE -- to me it seems like elementary political calculus that any supposed advantage gained in the GE by voting for IWR would be heavily outweighed by the disadvantage in the primaries. And not only do I think Kerry is smart enough to realize that, I think it does him a disservice to assume only the basest motives prompted him on something that I'm sure was an enormously conflicted and difficult decision for him.


What did John Kerry have to say about his vote on October 9, 2002? I will quote a small portion here:

" Let me be clear: I am voting to give this authority to the President for one reason and one reason only: to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction if we cannot accomplish that objective through new tough weapons inspections. In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days - to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out "tough, immediate" inspections requirements and to "act with our allies at our side" if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force.

If he fails to do so, I will be the first to speak out. If we do go to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so in concert with others in the international community. The Administration has come to recognize this as has our closet ally, Prime Minister Tony Blair in Britain. The Administration may not be in the habit of building coalitions, but that is what they need to do - and it is what can be done. If we go it alone without reason, we risk inflaming an entire region and breeding a new generation of terrorists, a new cadre of anti-American zealots - and we will be less secure, not more secure, at the end of the day, even with Saddam Hussein disarmed. Let there be no doubt or confusion as to where I stand: I will support a multilateral effort to disarm Iraq by force, if we have exhausted all other options. But I cannot - and will not - support a unilateral, US war against Iraq unless the threat is imminent and no multilateral effort is possible.

And in voting to grant the President the authority to use force, I am not giving him carte blanche to run roughshod over every country that poses - or may pose - a potential threat to the United States. Every nation has the right to act preemptively if it faces an imminent and grave threat. But the threat we face, today, with Iraq fails the test. Yes, it is grave because of the deadliness of Saddam Hussein's arsenal and the very high probability that he will use these weapons one day if he is not disarmed. But it is not imminent. None of our intelligence reports suggest that Saddam Hussein is about to launch any kind of attack against us or countries in the region. The argument for going to war against Iraq is rooted in enforcement of the international community's demand that Iraq disarm. It is not rooted in the doctrine of preemption. Nor is the grant of authority in this resolution an acknowledgment that Congress accepts or agrees with the President's new strategic doctrine of preemption. Just the opposite. This resolution clearly limits the authority given to the President to use force in Iraq, and only Iraq, and for the specific purpose of defending the United States against the threat posed by Iraq "and" enforcing relevant Security Council resolutions. The definition of purpose circumscribes the authority given to the President to the use of force to disarm Iraq because only Iraq's weapons of mass destruction meet the two criteria laid out in this resolution.

Mr. President, Congressional action on this resolution is not the end of our national debate on how best to disarm Iraq. Nor does it mean that we have exhausted all our peaceful options to achieve this goal. There is much more to be done.

The Administration must continue its efforts to build support at the United Nations for a new, unfettered, unconditional weapons inspection regime. If we can eliminate the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs through inspections whenever, wherever, and however we want them - including in presidential palaces -- and I am highly skeptical we can given the Iraqi regime's record of thwarting U.N. inspectors in the past - then we have an obligation to try that course of action first, before we expend American lives and treasure on a war with Iraq.

American success in the Persian Gulf War was enhanced by the creation of a multinational coalition. Our coalition partners -- I'd add -- picked up the overwhelming burden of the costs of that war. It is imperative that the Administration continue to work to multilateralize its current effort against Iraq. If the Administration's initiatives at the United Nations are real and sincere, other nations are more likely to stand behind our efforts to force Iraq to disarm, be it through a new, rigorous, no-nonsense inspection regime, or if necessary through the use of force. The United States without question has the military power to enter this conflict unilaterally, but we need logistical support such as bases, command and control centers, and overflight rights from allies in the region. That support will come only if they are convinced of the credibility of our arguments and the legitimacy of our mission. The United Nations never has veto power to stop the United States from doing what it must to protect its citizens, but it is in our interests to act with our allies if that is at all possible - and it should be: the burden of eliminating the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction in Saddam Hussein's hands is not ours alone. "

You can read the whole thing at http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2002_1009.html

And the real bottom line on why I support Kerry even though I would have voted against the resolution? I think that all too often these congressional votes are treated as nothing but competing ways to frame the debate for the next election and create wedge issues. I have absolutely no doubt that with John Kerry as President we would not have pursued this reckless, illegal misadventure in Iraq, that Kerry is not going to be willing to spend American blood for low prices at the gas pump, that Kerry understands from his own bitter experience, from the loss of a close friend in Vietnam, from his own horror at the cost of war to the innocent, he understands how true it is that war must be an absolute last resort. But at the same time he is no pacifist. To tell you the truth I don't know if I could take a gun and chase down and kill somebody, even if they tried to fire a grenade at me. But I really like the idea of having somebody who is up to that task unequivocally on my side. John Kerry is unequivocally on my side. John Kerry has been unequivocally on my side fighting on the floor of the senate. He was on my side when he was on Nixon's enemies list for his anti-war efforts. He has spent his life fighting on my side of the issues, and I'm not going to ignore a lifetime of service over one symbolic Congressional vote, no matter how politically charged.


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WealthAndDemocracy Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:01 AM
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28. It wouldn't have made any difference
baby bush had already decided he was going to have a war with or without that vote

the media machine and patriotism was pumped up FOR a war and a Democratic position against the war would have been political suicide for Democrats

baby bush lied about what evidence he had to go to war

The IWR vote alone is not the place to harp on for the Democratic nominee. He had to vote the way he did.

AND, at the time of the vote there were expectations tht measures would be taken to allow inspections to work. baby bush violated the agreement, not Kerry.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:51 AM
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32. You're correct
Kerry stated clearly during the town hall meeting in Vinson, IA, as shown on CSpan, that he was shown pictures and documents. I believe Kerry was in a no-win situation. Here he has pictures and documents in front of him perhaps showing evidence of WMD...he doesn't have access to the highest level of intel that shrub has. The Brits are backing up bush. It's his instinct, as he has stated, that he wanted to be able to believe the President of the US.

It is telling that Joe Wilson...who had evidence that some of the intelligence was fake is supporting and endorsing John Kerry. Mr. Wilson obviously understands the situation much better than I.

I bet this was one of the most difficult votes Kerry ever had to cast while in Congress.
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