I Dare Any Kerry Supporter...

[MrSoundAndVision]

to go to

http://www.democracynow.org/index.pl?issue=20040122

And watch or listen to the segment on the "Skull and Bones Society." Go on...be brave and accept my dare. Then I'll read any propganda you like in return.

[boxster]

1. How many million times are you guys going to post this S & B stuff?

Geez, and I'm a Clark supporter!

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[boxster]

10. I'll do whatever the hell I want to do, thank you very much.

These accusations have been repeated literally thousands of times on this very board, and I'll make whatever comments I feel like making.

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[boxster]

13. Ah, threats. Threats are always such a convincing argument.

Hmm, I don't seem to see where I told you to keep this to yourself. I asked how many million more times you were going to post this.

Again, I'll choose to do whatever I want. Your threats are not convincing me to read yet another article about a topic which has been discussed ad infinitum.

[MrSoundAndVision]

18. The threat was an energetic joke

and a tactical decision of debate. You're a Clarkie, you know the difference between tactics and strategies.

If you're bored of reading go watch TV. In the meantime, I'll continue to do my service, regardless of how bored YOU are of the topic. See I think it's interesting. And I think others would also. So I tell them about it. People like to be interested I think. In fact, I would venture to say that people prefer to be interested than be convenienced all of the time.

And link me to one of the article's you read.

[boxster]

20. Sure it was.

Believe that all you want.

A serious word of advice: you are doing your candidate no favors with threats and demands.

[Loren645]

4. I'm a Clark supporter, and the S&B connection is one reason

I don't support Kerry. IWR and the Patriot Act are additional
reasons. And in the spirit of 'what has he done for us lately,'
I'm not real thrilled with his remarks about the AWOL issue today.

But just so his poll number go up. I guess all's fair...

[Catch22Dem]

3. Don't dare. It shows very little class (n/t)

[MrSoundAndVision]

7. Oh thanks

I'm classless. Thanks. How about this:

I most cordially request my dear fellow Democratic supporter's of the most esteemed presidential candidate John Kerry, please, oh dear sirs, give consideration to this completely unoffensive material on your conscience.

See I can be class. But your not supposed to be classy all of the time. Sometimes, you just want to say what you mean and move on.

[Catch22Dem]

14. Move on?

You're going on about Kerry's college frat, yet you say you're moving on? HAHA OooooooKaaaaaaay! Fact of the matter is, I couldn't care less if Kerry was S&B. He's 1000X the man GWB is, and I'm not even a Kerry guy.

[LibDemAlways]

5. I heard the Skull and Bones segment on

Democracy Now yesterday, and the guest made it clear that Kerry will not address the issue. Of course he won't have to since the chimp is also a "Bonesman." Nevertheless, it was some pretty creepy shit -- secret numbers, initiation rituals, and some nonsense involving a goddess. Also came up that Skull and Bones serves no philanthropic purpose and has a history of misogeny. Have to wonder what the hell the attraction was.

[MrSoundAndVision]

9. Don't give away too much...

I want these....Kerry people...to actually watch the segment instead of dismiss is as some crazy conspiracy theory generating by us because the media says he is "winning".

[Catch22Dem]

15. Funny

"secret numbers, initiation rituals, and some nonsense involving a goddess.

Sounds like 777, baptism, and Jesus. Man, it's all bullshit. Just a different brand.

[Valjean]

23. I Will NOT Vote for Kerry

I won't be voting for Kerry in the primary. I'd rather vote for Sharpton or Lieberman, I don't like EITHER of them. But I'd vote for BOTH of them before Kerry.

I will also be lobbying AGAINST Kerry amongst my friends and relatives and making them aware of the Skull & Bones issue.

Kerry CANNOT swear to uphold the oath of office AND uphold whatever oath he took to the Bonesman. We CANNOT trust him to seriously STRIKE another Bonesman. I don't believe he will be allowed.

I will talk this issue up. I will tell people about the Bones Cult. The Pagan Worship, the Nazi Shrine, the Grave-robbing, the ritual theft, the private Island (how many harmless frats OWN a large island). It seems VERY clear that these people have trained themselves to be ABOVE the law.

They are NOT normal. They died and were reborn into Bones. We are all BARBARIANS to them. We are lesser creatures. They owe us no truth or honest. They only have contempt for us. Kerry only uses Veterans and liberal issues to fulfill his ambitions. We are nothing but animals to him.

Then after they've thoroughly associate Kerry with this secret society, I will reveal that Bush is ALSO a member. I trust NEITHER of them!!!!!!

Skull & Bones is a cult from all descriptions. Their only difference from Scientology is that they are WAY richer and the exclusive club amongst exclusive Clubs.


If Kerry RENOUNCES Skull & Bones, annuls his oaths to Bones and spills his guts about EVERYTHING Skull & Bones knows about him and vice-versa, than I would consider it.


Make NO Bones about it. DON'T VOTE FOR A BONESMAN!! You are only a lever pulling beast to them.

[UTUSN]

27. Double Tripe - Vote for Shrub n/t

[Democrats unite]

6. Tripe

eom

[blm]

8. There are cliques within S&B. Kerry was not in the clique

that used their connections. He was in the one that served humanity. His best friend from S&B was killed in Vietnam.

[MrSoundAndVision]

11. oh okay

I'll just take your word on that.

[stepnw1f]

16. MrSoundAndVision,....

who do you support?

[boxster]

17. A Kucinich supporter....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=108891

[stepnw1f]

19. Kucinich....

just checking.

[blm]

32. Don't. READ the facts of his investigations that EXPOSED Bush

and Reagan and their illegal activities in BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning.

Try using the truth and studying it.

I suggest Howard Zinn and Robert Parry to start.

[Valjean]

24. Then he should RESIGN

If that's the case, he should resign and tell everyone what the Bush clique is up to. Tell the truth about Skull & Bones and face their wrath.

If they are a harmless fraternity, he will suffer no consequences. If not, they will expose all the dirty little secrets that Kerry exposed to them as part of his initiation rites.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

21. Why are you offering to "read any propaganda"? LOL

I don't get it. You dared me. I took the dare. So?

Kerry was in S&B, a 'secret' college club.

If you don't want to vote for him because of that don't. lol

[woofless]

22. Do you honestly think that anything you post here

is going to change dedicated Kerry supporter's mind? Do you think the way to a dialogue is the vitriol I see in your posts? Do you really support or reject a candidate solely on one issue or affiliation? If so, have at it. Use your one vote as you wish as will we all.

[Valjean]

25. Depends on the affiliation ...

For instance, if Kerry was a Communist then it would matter. Or if he was a German fascist, it would matter. Or if he belonged to organization that revere Hitler, that would matter.

[woofless]

26. I think we can rule out affiliations of that sort.

He wouldn't have been elected dog catcher in Dorchester with those credentials, much less a distinguished 35 year career in public service.

[UTUSN]

28. Message from a "mainstream ass"

Interesting lingoisms: "mainstream ass. .... regardless of how bored YOU are ,,,, my dear fellow Democratic supporter's (I don't THINK so) .... "

Go vote for Shrub and BE DAMNED.

[styersc]

37. Secret Societys can make a difference and should not be dismissed-

John F. Kennedy was a member of the Knights of Columbus (when I was inducted we used a skull and bones in the ceremony- sorry guys- I gave away the secret).

John Edwards is a member the North Carolina Bar (what's that all about?).

Howard Dean is a member of Columbia House Music Club (10 CD's for a penny but then you have to but 20 more in two years at an inflated rate- no wonder he's mad as hell).

Dennis Kucinich is a member of the Hair Club for Men (Oddly enough so is Sen. Mosley-Braun).

[jfxgillis]

30. What I want to know is ...

... what the HELL is DemocracyNow doing feeding us this horseshit and assisting Bush to get re-elected?

There's something literally Leninist about it.

Assuming arguendo that S & B is a particularly noxious tentacle o the dastardly conspiracy to dominate the world, THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

So what difference does it make? They've already got their clutches on Fort Knox, where they've hidden the Ark of Covenant until they can find the Holy Grail, which, when placed in the Ark will begin the Rule of Lucifer over the Mortal Realm for generation upon generation, century upon century, aeo upon aeon (until Keanu Reeves saves us, of course).

We're doomed. Get used to it.

I'm genuinely and sincerely disappointed in DemocracyNow. This is inappropriate use of their meager resources.

[nightperson]

33. I agree.

There's barely any info on Kerry. It's a hit piece from the left, and considering Phillips's involvement, maybe the right. Shameless. If they were exploding an incredible story with actual evidence about Skull and Bones and Kerry's relationship to it, it would be one thing, and I would be the first to commend it. Instead it just repeats the same old weak innuendos and "guilt-by-association". Give me something to actually argue about. If there's anything to this, how come Yalie Howard Dean is so quiet about this stuff? This country is less run by wealthy Northeastern WASPS than it used to be, but Bush, Dean and Kerry show that they're sure not extinct. What a revelation. To shed a little light on this preppy/Ivy League/WASP/Bonesman stuff, let's examine the "Episcopalian connection", a cultural background which so many of "them" share. Like Jews, Episcopalians number about 1% of the U.S. population. There are more Muslims than Episcopalians in the U.S.. A lot of Episcopalians are in small economic and educational categories, and a lot have less than 6 degrees of separation between them. Is this news? To the young and impressionable, it may be. This article even says "Kerry has not relied on Skull and Bones. He hasn't made it a huge part of his life in terms of something that would help his career." What is the point of this neo-slanderous article? Where is there any evidence of Skull and Bones in Kerry's campaign, stands, or daily life? Peter Yarrow, Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, and Walter Mondale are all "in on it"? Unwitting pawns? Where is something I can even argue about? What about the old antiwar activist and "Bonesman" William Sloane Coffin? "Dude, he was up to his eyeballs in it, you can tell by his last name". Seriously, though, thanks for pointing out this article. Amy Goodman and Kevin Phillips should be ashamed of themselves for lending credibility to unsubstantiated character assassination. I'm most disappointed in Phillips. Maybe he's "losing it"? Back up some "Skull and Kerry" stuff with real facts about Kerry (not just the WASP version of ethnic slurring), Phillips, and I'll be fascinated. What a drag. I don't care as much about Goodman, but Republican Phillips could have been very helpful to the Democrats, so I hope he pulls himself together. Has either one endorsed anyone?

[jfxgillis]

34. Oh. I thought you were agreeing ...

... that Keanu Reeves would save the world from the evil clutches of the Conspiracy after many generations of Darkness and Suffering.

Damn. Now I have to find another person to start a cult with.

I don't know about Amy Goodman. She might be like a lot of VERY smart people at the edges of ideological sentiment (I don't mean that perjoratively, the edges are where it's happening and where the ideologies are most consistent), who have blind spots or loopy little eccentricities that seem to "complete" the incompletable, i.e. an ideological construct that fully explains human nature. I'm a Jungian screwball in that regard, myself. I don't know what else she could have been thinking.

Now as for Phillips, I have a theory. This resentment of Skull & Bones almost EXACTLY matches Nixon's resentment of the Eastern Establishment WASPs, a pathology so well documented it doesn't even need refrence anymore. Common knowledge. Nixon HATED Ivy Leaguers, and Phillips is THE quintessential Nixonian, really, the intellectual force behind Nixon's socio-political thinking. "The Coming Republican Majority," after all, foresaw the downfall of the Eastern Establishment and the rise of the Sun Belt as the dominant force in electoral politics. I think Phillips and Nixon share that pathological hostility to the elite WASPs.

[Octafish]

29. Wow. I'm bummed.

The Chimperor is S&B.

John Kerry is S&B.

What's the difference, you say?

Answer: Kerry is a good guy.

Proof?

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

GOOGLE "John Kerry" + BCCI; you can also add "Ollie North" + Iran-contra + drugs + Manuel Noriega and a whole bunch more of the Bush Organized Crime Family's connections. Believe me, the BFEE "in charge" goes all the way back to 22 November 1963.

Kerry is the best chance to end the BFEE we've seen. If you want to end the BFEE, you had better PRAY he gets the nomination.

[BeatleBoot]

31. I wonder how the S&B's issue is polling?

Oh, that's right - it isn't even on the radar because people really don't care about it.

Hard to care about such things when unemployment is pushing 7%

A hungry man is an angry man.

Maybe the Kerry opposition should have a sign in their HQ's that says:

"Its Skull and Bones, stupid"

:silly:

[styersc]

38. Polling is hard to read on Skull and Bones Issue because...

...Zogby is a member of the Kiwanis Club and they are bitter, lifelong enemies of the S&B's (as well as the Optimists).

[pezcore64]

35. ...

arent most skull and bones people grads from yale?
cause there have been alot of people whove ran for president who attended yale.

[curse10]

36. Yeah... no thanks.

Keep spewing this crap. It's a non issue to nearly everyone outside our little microcosm community here at DU. This has been talked about over and over and over again. You aren't going to convince Kerry supporters to change their mind over a boys club.