Attention Dean Supporters

[MrSoundAndVision]

You are learning first hand how media-manufactured notions are ruining our democracy. They are doing now to the Dean campaign what they've been doing to the Kucinich campaign all along. I'm not suprised. See the choice just isn't the American people's anymore.

So here is an invitation to those Dean supporters who would rather go home disenfranchised than stand up and fight for this democracy: Go home! The rest of you join us, the supporters of Dennis Kucinich. Our campaign doens't end with the elections, regardless of the outcome.

So if you want to wait and see, that's fine, but if your candidate suddenly drops out next month because of media political extermination then we'll still be here waiting for you to join our truly patriotic campaign. It's not over. The revolution has only just begun.

Don't let the media tell you it's over when the nominee is decided. Don't let the media tell you to be quiet for another 4 years.

http://www.kucinich.us

[T Roosevelt]

1. Dean's campaign doesn't end either

Why do people think that this is a sprint and not a marathon?

You're right - the revolution has just begun, and hopefully supporters of ALL the candidates can fight side by side rather than sniping at each other.

[Southsideirish]

2. ...thanks (?) for the "invitation" but I'll stay with Howard til the end -

if I ever have to select another - I'll go with Clark. Kooch was too mean to Howard in the debates and throwing his support to Edwards was the last straw. I like his policies but the man, himself, just leaves me cold.

[surfermaw]

23. Better think twice Dennis supporters didn't throw support to Edwards

I watched a caucus on CSPAN...Dennis supporters were trying to get Gep. supporters to support them, I don't think either of them supported Edwards, some MAY? have gone with Kerry,

[HereSince1628]

3. What first your campaign advances an anti-Dean coalition

in Iowa and now we are supposed to support Dennis?

There's a little bit of fair play and a little bit of foreplay that you are ignoring.

If we're gonna get screwed we need to be kissed first.

[MrSoundAndVision]

5. I'm laughing

And that's fine, I've stopped trying to recruit you guys.

I'm just saying that I know many of you, most of you even, agree with Dennis' stances on the issues.

So stay with Dean "till the end." Just watch the endgame closely. And we'll be waiting.

[dorktv]

16. Department of Peace?

I disagree with that.

[boxster]

4. After Dennis' deal with Edwards in Iowa, I don't expect Dennis to

get many converts among Dean supporters.

[MrSoundAndVision]

7. oh go

away. I don't need your cynicism in another one of my threads.

[boxster]

9. It's not cynicism. It's reality.

Do you really think Dean supporters are going to jump on the Dennis bandwagon after Iowa?

Look, I realize that you're trying to get your guy more votes, but aren't Dean and Kucinich about as far apart on the political spectrum as any two Democratic candidates could be?

[HereSince1628]

12. Hey, MSAV YOU INVITED me to read your thread

I responded to it. If you don't realize how offensive that little bait and switch routine was...get help editing your subject lines.

[goodhue]

20. the "deal" in IA, like the Dean scream

is overblown by the media

Dennis is a street-figther who does what he needs to get out the progressive populist message. Until the "deal" the media was not mentioning Dennis at all. In any event, wheeling and dealing is what IA caucuses are all about. In Edwards is not the DLC-shill some maintain but rather an economic populist.

[surfermaw]

24. Edwards wasn't mentioned either until he took Iowa by surprise

Edwards got almost no media attention, until Iowa. then you really would not have expected a close to first place if you hadn't followed and read his web page every day.:)

[Hep]

21. People won't shift to Kucinich under any circumstance

at this point. Why on earth would we?

[Catch22Dem]

6. So if he's not the nominee

What do you do then?

[MrSoundAndVision]

10. Well if Dennis isn't the nominee....

I'm going to continue to advance his political platform in any way I can. Universal health care, Department of Making Sure Violence Doesn't Destroy the Human Race, cancel NAFTA and the WTO! Whatever.

If you mean will I vote Democrat well that depends on who the nominee is of course.

I mean, I'm no fool guys. I've seen the numbers. I've known all along that it was going to be a difficult campaign getting him to the White House. I guess I'm saying that if Dennis doesn't get the nomination then he is still leader of our movement, as he best represents the movement and is most qualifed to lead it, and people just love him. So we'll move on.

People shouldn't just think that it's 'over' come November. That suddenly the American voice is going to be silent for another 4 years while we get screwek by the government.

[Catch22Dem]

13. roger that

Just checkin' ;)

ON EDIT: And I agree w/ you about DK.

[goodhue]

19. right on!

Dennis Kucinich is leading a movement that is much more than just this election. He ain't going anywhere. He will be leading for years to come. I think he will be president, but regardless the movement marches on.

[dorktv]

17. take a massive overdose of sleeping pills, duh.

[joefree1]

8. The Dean internet populist movement will be here long after

... the end of this campaign. In fact it will reincarnate itself with every new fight against the neo-CONS.

Thanks for the invite though. See ya at the barricades.

[MrSoundAndVision]

11. Hi five!

And watch that endgame.

[liberalnurse]

14. I respect your passion and understand it as well.

Thank you for the invitation. I will continue to vote for Dean. I plan on writing in his name on the ballot if it is not on the list in November.

[FreeperSlayer]

15. ABB!

[goodhue]

18. Hear, hear

Support Dean until he drops out and then please join us supporting Dennis Kucinich. Dennis Kucinich is going all the way to the convention in Boston. Dean perhaps, but if not join Dennis. Clark perhaps, but if not join Dennis. He will be in it for the long haul.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

22. He has no campaign debts and the funds to

continue till Boston no matter what.

Having seen two of his campaign stops, I know that he relies on local volunteers for things that other campaigns pay for. In other words, this is a lean and mean campaign and one that is quietly traveling to all 50 states.

[Victory04]

25. I'm with Dean 'til the end

Gov. Dean will remain in the race, and I believe he'll win.

I think you'd better double-check with Dennis on inviting
Dean supporters to cross over. Last I heard, Dennis
was joining Edwards' campaign. They're such dear
old friends, you know. Can't have a little
war come between friends, can we?

[cosmicdot]

26. as a Kucinich supporter, I share with you a Dean ad-video

which is really well done

http://home.pacbell.net/dyewrks/gendean/genDean2.html

Take Back the Media!

End Corporate Governance!

People over Profit!

[surfermaw]

27. Don't let the media tell us how to run the Nation campaign

That is exactly what happened to Gore, we will have to stick together to win the election. Dennis K & Clark isn't the only people who was shut out by the press, Edwards names was left off the list from day one, until the surprise in Iowa...Stick in there guys and let the cream rise and then support it to the fullest, especially you young kids who have the energy, best to your candidates whom ever they are.

[jansu]

28. Media is owned by Republicans

From my research, the media is owned by the Republicans. (Only 6 own most of all the media, from TV, Newspapers, Magazines, Book publishers, Music, ISP's, etc.). It seems to me that we are letting the Republicans tell us who we should have as our Presidential Candidate!

Who do they keep telling us that they want to run against? Dean. And, who do they tell us they don't want to run against? Kerry. Who do they tell us is electable and unelectable? Since they lie about everything else, from the reason to take us to war to the turkey given by Bush to the troops, WHY WOULD ANYONE BELIEVE THEM ON THIS?

How did the poll numbers change so fast? 50 points in a week? Strange...


How do you account for Bush's AWOL (really desertion, since it was for over 30 days), being mentioned @434 times before the 2000 election and Clinton's draft dodging (I'll take someone who avoids the draft legally over a Deserter anytime), being mention over 14,000 times when he ran for office?!

Yes, let's stick together! Don't believe the media. We think that the media, by law, have to tell us the truth. There are several court cases which state that there is no law, rule or regulation which requires the media to tell us the truth!

[Oreegone]

29. It ain't over till its over

Why would I go to the side of the guy with no delegates from the side of the guy with the most delegates? No way.....Dean all the way....

[MrSoundAndVision]

30. I'm sorry

what did you say?

[CabalBuster]

31. It's Dean or no one else, won't vote for Kerry or Edwards.... n/t

[sungkathak]

32. Dean was poisoned

A tactic Feds used to use.

202. Malvo's confession

In DC sniper shooting case. When Lee Boyd Malvo was arrested, he kept his mouth shut up. But in an interrogation a week later, "Malvo was talkative, smiling, even bragging in response to indirect questions from investigators, sources said."(S.J.M.N.)

In another report from "Virginian-Pilot":

"MALVO SPOKE FREELY ABOUT KILLINGS, GUARDS SAY JUDGE PONDERS WHETHER TO BAR ACCOUNTS AT TRIAL

By TONY GERMANOTTA, The Virginian-Pilot
L July 25, 2003

Quote, "Malvo had refused to talk to investigators, invoking his fifth amendment rights, his attorneys argued.

On his first day at Supermax, Malvo would only gesture and point, Stracke said. The next day, when Stracke came by to check on him, Malvo pounded on the plexiglass window of his cell and pointed to a fish dinner that Davis had on his desk.

Malvo, a vegetarian, was not eating the regular prison meals. They had been giving him salads, Stracke said.

After being given fish to eat, , Malvo opened up."

"The guards testified that Malvo said he was particularly proud of shooting Franklin because he had to hit her as she stood between a pair of posts. He told the men that he ``took her head off.'' "

You can see Malvo opened his lip after he was lured to a dish specially prepared for him. (Though article said it was a dish of guard.) And Malvo's talk didn't make sense even guard thought Malvo was exaggerating.

Malvo's behave showed he was medicated (or in another word, poisoned) by something to talk. Under the influence he was forced to talk as much as he could, even exaggerating. It was possible an excitant or something unknown for outsiders which force the victim losing control of mind, behaved unusual and doing something exaggerating with imagination. It's a tactic intelligence used to do to squeeze information from their target.

203. Iowa surprise

Howard Dean is a target of insider group because he is the one who fiercely anti-war. Dean lost Iowa primary. His rate from the leading one dropped to the third place, (16% vs Kerry's 38%) It was unusual, consider 75% Iowa voters are against war. It can be viewed as poll result was manipulated by intelligence.

And to suppress Dean more, they seemed using same tactic to vilify Dean. Dean likely was poisoned by some excitant or something influential on his sentiment in the meeting before Iowa Primary. Dean behaved extreme excite that night. Media (which are under stronghold of inside group) took the chance to propaganda Dean was "lunatic", "crazy"....

Intelligence covert work was largely used in campaign if you still remember Water Gate scandal. Especially by inside group who controls Feds. Here is another recent report:

Republican caught spying on Demo
Thursday 22 January 2004
Senate Panel's GOP Staff Pried on Democrats

WASHINGTON -- Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/012304A.shtml

Iowa surprise is not a surprise for me. It was only another example of how Feds abused the power to rig an election.

[rhite5]

33. It's important for Dean supporters to stick with Dean!

I say this as a Kucinich supporter. Here's why you guys should stick with Dean for now at least .....

The Dean Campaign is NOT over! It is not a time to give up on him. He stands head and shoulders above all the other candidates except Kucinich. We KNOW Dean is independent of the dark forces. He does not have the deep understanding of all the issues that Kucinich does or the full understanding of the Washington DC web of dark forces that I believe by now Kucinich does, but he is learning FAST.

It is true I do not agree with him on some domestic issues and there are some international issues he has not yet fleshed out, like trade policies and his reasoning for not getting troops home quickly from Iraq. But .....

Dean's instincts are honest and consistent. He will come out of this a stronger and deeper person. Do NOT compromise on anyone else!

Time enough when the convention is over to look at joining the movement led by Kucinich. It will outlast the election and continue to grow. It is bigger than a single election. And its supporters are more genuinely dedicated than any I have ever seen in 40-plus years in politics.

Thanks for listening.