For those who accuse Kerry of being a corporatist - can you explain?

[blm]

Can you explain how someone you THINK is a corporatist receives the HIGHEST ratings on the environment?

Can you explain how someone you THINK is a corporatist helped craft the Kyoto Protocol for 10 years?

Can you explain how someone you THINK is a corporatist receives a lifetime prolabor rating of 91%?

Can you explain why someone you THINK is a corporatist would write and support legislation that regularly favored SMALL business needs over corporate powers?

Can you explain how someone you THINK is a corporatist wrote banking laws that would close the offshore banking loopholes?

Can you explain how someone who advocated public financing of campaigns since 1985, wrote the public financing bill with Wellstone and plans to push it through as president, and never took a dime from corporate pacs in any of his Senate races is now suddenly someone you THINK is "beholden" to corporations?

[Mile Hi]

1. Can you explain

Why Kerry voted for the IWR?
Why Kerry flip flops on Gay Marriage?
Why Kerry flip flops on executing terrorist?
Why Kerry pretended to throw his medals over the WH fence?
Why Kerry got THE MOST in contribution from special interests?

Seems to me Kerry doesn't stand for much other than furthering his career and he puts up a great show. Looks like most of the Americans are falling for it.

[blm]

2. Can't you answer a question directly?

If you cannot, then start your own thread, don't hijack one asking other questions.

[liberalnurse]

4. Excuse me.......

Not a nice way to get feedback from the peanut galllery.

[blm]

6. Questions are posted to be answered, not hijacked.

If you don't want to attempt to answer the questions honestly, then why bother replying at all?

[Mile Hi]

9. I did answer your questions!

Kerry flip flops and is a career politician that would do or say anything to get reelected.

[littlejoe]

24. What a strange disconnect. Personally, I didn't see where

you answered any of blm's questions. But then, I also realize that wasn't your intent.

[Jax]

17. pffft

boo fucking hoo blm...

boo fucking hoo...

Jax

[liberalnurse]

3. Really, lets focus on kerry and his choices......

that has power and if he wants my support....he better explain them to me.....I'm not running for office....he is.......

[feistydem]

7. The truth will set you free

Mile Hi...

1. Because so soon after 9/11 anyone in the Congress was pressured to stand united against terrorism or be painted a traitor. Some people running for the presidency NEVER had to cast a vote, but were able to decry it later from a safe position.

2. He hasn't flip-flopped on gay marriage. He has said he is for civil unions not labeled as "marriage."

3. When John Ashcroft decides who is a terrorist and who is not (does he ever decide this once he has them in custody?) Anyone with a conscience would be trying to apply standards of proof.

4. He threw someone else's medals over the fence, not claiming them to be his own. He was asked to throw them. It is his right to decide to keep his own medals. He earned them. And then he came out against the war. Why are the medals so darned important in light of that fact?

5. This is a distorted piece of garbage being pushed by the GOP (and apparently being helped along by disgruntled supporters of former Dem candidates). Read "Special K" by Peter Beinart in The New Republic (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040301&s=trb030104)

[flpoljunkie]

8. Thanks for posting the New Republic Beinart article, feistydem.

Great read. Our special interests try to protect us from the crony capitalists running the Bush White House, whose only creed is greed, and who are willing to destroy this country in the process.

[Taeger]

15. Does this involve Corpratism????

Why Kerry flip flops on Gay Marriage?
Why Kerry flip flops on executing terrorist?
Why Kerry pretended to throw his medals over the WH fence?

Do ANY of these issues have ANYTHING to do with corpratism?????

Seriously, I am NOT a strong Kerry supporter. My guy was Wes Clark. But I don't think it's fair to smear him over NOTHING!!!!

Hell, I don't even think it's fair to smear President Bush over trumped up nonsense. It's just plain dishonest!!!!!! (Besides, Chimpy has enough REAL material to smear without making shit up).

[littlejoe]

25. I went to this particular board to get away from those type of replies.

[lcordero]

5. Hate to tell you

With things like NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, FTAA, and WTO every environment vote, union vote, and small biz vote is a complete fraud.

[polpilot]

10. Did someone say 'fraud'?

They did. mmmmmmmm....

[cosmicdot]

11. since sovereignty yields to these organizations and such

that would mean that a clever politician would obtain such 'records' by planning their efforts and projects carefully, and in advance, so that they, i.e., cast certain votes, e.g, on the environment, while in reality, by supporting the institutions which over-ride those "local laws ... it's like playing both sides of the fence ...

I can see that.

[chemicalboy]

12. umm... the fact that he has estimate net worth of 500 million

and that hes number four on a list of wealthiest congressmen

[Mairead]

13. I would explain it fairly simply, blm

I believe today's Kerry is not the Kerry you believe in and whose record you illuminate so well. I think that would become clear if you compare his recent votes to two or three people who are unquestionably not-corporatist plus two or three who are.

Of course, it might be that I don't know what you mean by 'corporatist', in which case I'm all wet.

[GreenNADER]

14. Kerry is just another Washington insider

the only reason he is where he is, is because of the corporations.

Think about it ...........

Our party's leadership has sold us out.

[groovedaddy]

16. Because Kerry is the Liberal wing of Skull & Bones

Skull and Bones plays both sides of the fence. When the perverbial political pendelum starts to swing from right to left, they want someone on the left side of the spectrum. Kerry is their man through and through. He couldn't be in the position he's in without some hefty liberal ratings.
It should be noted that Kerry did speak for environmental protections and human rights provisions for NAFTA and GATT, then voted for them any way, even though these issues were not included. NAFTA and GATT also undermine our national sovereignty (CHAPT 13 of NAFTA and similar provision in GATT)by circumventing U.S. courts, federal, state and local laws in favor of Corporate run tribunals. KERRY voted for this stuff and it fits right in line with the NEW WORLD ORDER crowd. Kerry is a deep plant working for their goals. It is why he can't (nor GWB) can talk about what difference it makes to the American people that they are both members of this secretive organizations. It is also why he won't get us out of Iraq. They mean to stay and Kerry, as their man, will keep us embroiled there. Give me Kucinich or Edwards over this guy!

[Octafish]

18. The Truth hurts, blm!

Judging by the pained reactions of backers of other Dems, I THINK, these people are sorely jealous. Many, at least, wish their own candidate(s) was a lifelong Democrat, a Kennedy Democrat, who is an accomplished Liberal with a progressive voting record, who is honest, hard-working, corruption-fighting, war hero, and who is going to clobber the BFEE.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

19. Here's a start:

Skadden, Arps et al
$101,800

Citigroup Inc
$72,000

Piper Rudnick
$71,500

Mintz, Levin et al
$64,740

Goldman Sachs
$62,600

Robins, Kaplan et al
$62,250

Harvard University
$57,550

Hill, Holliday et al
$50,750

Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance
$50,250

Clifford Law Offices
$42,000

Morgan Stanley
$40,000

Bain Capital
$37,500

UBS Americas
$34,900

International Profit Assoc
$34,250

Akin, Gump et al
$34,250

Holland & Knight
$33,485

Time Warner
$32,225

FleetBoston Financial
$32,050

Hale & Dorr
$31,800

Sullivan & Cromwell
$30,300

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00000245&cycle=2004

[blm]

20. Add those together and you've got ONE Bush Pioneer.

BTW...have you changed your mind about your role? You used to say you were a Dean supporter and a "faux" critic of Kerry.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

21. Still pondering. Waiting to see how he plays it.

My criticism is much more real these days. I witnessed some nasty stuff in the primaries.

If you don't think that Kerry is the consummate corporate politician, you're only fooling yourself. However, I'm a realist and am taking a wait and see approach. I'm comforting myself with the fact that he's better than Edwards. Small consolation. I told you before that I'd support him if he were the nominee and right now I'm 51%-vote Kerry, 49%-jump off a cliff.

[Andromeda]

22. Kerry has a few warts...

but I don't think there's any *perfect* candidate. For me, Dean came the closest, but he's out now so... I was pretty mad at Kerry for a while because he dogged Dean in the debates, but I'm realistic enough to know that if I had to choose between Kerry and Bush there's just no contest.

Don't jump off a cliff now, wait and see if Bush wins the election, and if he does, then jump and I'll see you on the way down.

[littlejoe]

23. Thanks blm. I was working on a similar post. No need to now.