Please delete -- reposted in GDP

[DeepModem Mom]

GDP link -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4680928

[LakeSamish706]

1. So who would be behind election fraud in Primaries like these? And why? n/t

[rainy]

4. The Bilderberg group? I heard someone on C-span this morning

claim that the candidates were already selected to be McCain and Clinton. Makes you wonder. I always thought something was fishy when Kerry rose so quickly when NO ONE was talking about him or getting excited about him.

Seems that there might just be a real shadow government. Kerry or Bush what would have really changed? A few bones to the left or the right and that's it.

McCain or Hillary? They'd still have their war and corporate control.

[LakeSamish706]

6. Based on your response that gives me serious cause to be concerned about...

Obama's personal safety then and I sure hope his people are extremely vigilant about that.

[rainy]

8. Yes, his numbers may be too large to manipulate so they

might have to stop him some other way. The same way they stopped Paul Wellstone.

[catgirl]

2. I wonder where else this has occurred

NM? MA? CA? Hm.

[catgirl]

3. You should post this in "Primaries"

[shraby]

5. The big question, is he going to have it investigated?

[sabbat hunter]

7. one of those election districts

was in Harlem.

In NYS votes are tallied by hand by counting the votes from the back of the machine (we use old style lever machines)

I would like to see the total votes in those EDs. I bet there was a LOT of undercounting going on for ALL the candidates.

All you need is one row skipped by accident, and a candidate will register no votes. or a mistake in tabulation by one of the poll workers.
Luckily for us here in NYS those machines are sealed after elections, so that the can be recounted at election HQ.

I have seen mistakes happen personally. where one entire row was skipped. so suddenly one candidate had no votes. We realized our mistake, went back and retabulated and fixed the error. But some may be afraid to fix the error or sealed the machines already.


The machines used in NYS are old, but very reliable and accurate, when counted properly.

also 78 EDs isnt as many as it seems. in the school where I voted there were 10 or 11 EDs.

I think that it should be investigated, but IMHO it probably will end up being human error.

After all the poll workers counting the votes have been in the precincts since 6am and dont start counting until after 9pm. (sometimes well after 9pm, depending on how many voters are left after the doors are closed at 9pm)