Women represented a staggering 59% & 57% of Democrat electorates in OH & TX, respectively

[LulaMay]

by Joe Klein/TIME: (see this link for full article)

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1719898,00.html


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"And then something happened. From a distance it seemed that her charming, self-deprecating appearance on Saturday Night Live — and SNL's reprise of a debate skit in which MSNBC moderators gang up on her — might have changed the zeitgeist. "Do I really laugh like that?" she asked her doppelgänger Amy Poehler, whose Clinton laugh resembles Clinton's laugh only in its awkwardness. Poehler nodded, laughing, and Clinton's "Yeah, well ..." response seemed more spontaneous than anything she had done on the stump in a month of electoral massacres. If nothing else, SNL had tapped into the slow boil that many of Clinton's female supporters had experienced during Obama's February — that feeling of taking a backseat to the egos of others who might not work as hard or know as much as they did. A feminine fury was abroad in the land; on March 4, women represented a staggering 59% and 57% of the Democratic electorates in Ohio and Texas, respectively." .......


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THIS is why I have posted on this board that it, the Dem party leadership and many so called 'progressive','liberal' people and media, is out of touch with a majority of women in this country. There is a strong, ugly under current of sexism that remains in so called 'liberal' politics and the Democratic party which has never really been addressed, has been given a pass, for as long as we've had Roe V. Wade held over our heads.

Most feminist women have known this for a long time. Most women who wouldn't necessarily consider themselves very political or discuss it in such terms have known this for a long time.

This is what this election has exposed more than anything, to a rather shocking degree. It has not even begun yet that people digest or discuss it, do something about it....but it will produce change that is sadly overdue. This is all still in the tongue stumbling phase of denial for many in the still heavily male dominated media.

This board is no exception. A shocking number of people spew utterly mind boggling hatred and sexist 'commentary' at Hillary Clinton with disturbing ease and even glee.

The Democratic party and 'liberal' media, is learning, at some great cost and embarrassment already, that they cannot take women for granted, and if they choose to do so, are going to damage the party and their reputations possibly beyond salvation.

This has been the ugly little secret of the 'liberal' politics and media. Whenever women call attention to it, a is met with a strong, hateful reaction from those who are not actually feminists, (but will claim to be) and don't care to address it.

It's unfortunate that things too often have to get so bad before a change occurs. The inevitable, upward spiral of progress from enlightenment is often painful, but ultimately positive and can't be stopped.

It would be nice if human beings could learn to stop bruising themselves so much before getting it, one day.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

PEACE FOR THE WORLD.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. Here we go again. If you're not for Hillary you're not a "real" feminist.

You're just claiming to be one.

Like these 1500 women:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4790287#4790313

[LulaMay]

2. Distorting what I wrote isn't a good defense.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. I'm not distorting anything

You are implying that the large numbers of women who turned out reflected some massive groundswell of empowered feminism for Hillary.

[LulaMay]

5. Yes, you are. I did not say any such thing. I am speaking about the hateful sexism spewed at her

, and how it women in this party and in much of 'liberal' politics have been taken for granted..


and how a majority of women voting understand this...

and what it has exposed in the party, the 'liberal' media and politics.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

6. You're doing it again!

"and how a majority of women voting understand this..."

Except for those dumb bimbos who voted for Obama, of course. :eyes:

[LulaMay]

7. Address the issue of sexism, of women voters turning out for her, even if she's not your candidate

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. Why do you assume that's why they are turning out for her?

Do you suppose the women I've met who have told me they won't vote for Obama because they got an email that says he's a Muslim are operating from an egalitarian feminist worldview when they cast their ballot for Clinton? What about the ones who say they are voting for her because they want Bill back? How about the woman who flat out told me she would not vote for a (n word) before she slammed the door in my face. What do suppose the odds are that she's been reading Gloria Steinem's op-eds and appreciating Tina Fey's wry sardonic wit?

While I'm certain there are women who are turning out for Hillary for the reasons you state, I also believe you are seriously overstating their numbers and impact.

[LulaMay]

11. Did you read the OP Title? It's FACT, and in every poll. Surely you don't deny that.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. The only FACT you cite is the percentages. The rest is speculation on your part.

You want to create this fuzzy little sisterhood fairy tale about female Clinton voters. I'm merely trying to introduce some reality into your narrative.

[LulaMay]

15. It's silly to claim women aren't voting for her partly because they want to see a woman president.

Seriously.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

17. Some are.

But some want Bill back. And some won't vote for a (n word). And some are voting for Hillary because Rush said to do it so McCain will win. Some think Barack is a Muslim who won't say the pledge. Some like her health care plan better.

There are a myriad of reasons women are supporting Clinton.

Also, a higher percentage of female voters is not unusual. We tend to vote more.

[LulaMay]

18. Some? Truly, you should take a moment to think about what you're writing.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

19. Truly, you should get out of your rarefied little circle once in a while

And meet some people.

[LulaMay]

20. What a meaningless and rude remark. What a waste of time trying to discuss this with you.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. I don't see what was so insulting about what I said. Does the truth hurt?

You are insistent that your explanation is the correct one and are refusing to consider an alternate view. My opinion is based on several months of working on the campaign and talking to probably a few thousand voters. You seem to be basing yours on a few articles and news reports, and probably your personal circle of friends and acquaintances.

[LulaMay]

22. My 'rarified circle', why don't I meet some people? You are plain rude. Imagine me a hermit if it

helps you not think about what you write.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

23. And you were such a paragon of politeness

When you sarcastically asked if I'd thought about what I was writing. As if it is so utterly unthinkable that someone would disagree with you that I must be stupid.

[LulaMay]

24. I wasn't being sarcastic. You started making a very poor argument that women weren't voting for HRC

because they are partly excited about a woman becoming president. I truly meant that I thought you might want to stop and think a minute about what you were writing., because you wouldn't be able to defend it well at all (if you read my comparison to making the same argument about Obama supporters, which made my point fairly obvious).

I certainly never said you must have no friends or live in a shell somewhere because I didn't agree with you.

I'm really tired of people being so rude on this site, writing things they would never say to someone face to face.

I didnt write anything I wouldn't say to you in person, though not in the tone you imagine.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

25. I would say what I wrote to you in person because there's nothing wrong with it.

And now I see that you are modifying your argument. Now women are "partly excited about a woman becoming president."

That's much closer to the truth.

[LulaMay]

26. I seriously doubt that. I didn't modify anything. They believe she's qualified too

is the other part, not ONLY because she's a woman, but absolutely also BECAUSE she is a woman.

[LulaMay]

16. It's like claiming African Amer aren't voting for Obama partly because they want to be represented

to see an African American become president.

Nobody would claim that.

[skater314159]

32. She has no place for reality. nt

[LulaMay]

12. I was addressing that women are turning out to vtoe for her above...of course it's part of WHY

[LulaMay]

3. and of course doesn't address the post headline fact, or issue of sexism in this race.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. BTW, I've been one of the people pointing out rampant sexism and misogyny on DU for years

I've got the scars to show for all the times I've done battle with the knuckle-draggers, porn lovers, and rape apologists. Never saw hide nor hair of all these Hillary supporters to back me up. Ironically, some of the most ardent female Clinton supporters on DU were some of the worst sexism enablers here in the past.

Two of them in particular come to mind: One was starting thread after thread about what a dirty whore the Duke rape accuser was and how angelic those frat boys were. The other is one who thinks that stripping is an excellent job opportunity and women who are in the industry who describe how degrading it is should shut up because it beats the hell out of WalMart. Seriously. These are Hillary's Number One Feminist Fans now.

Funny how it took one uber-privileged white woman having her entitlement to the Presidency threatened to make them see the light.

[LulaMay]

9. You're falling short now out if that's truly the case. Why don't you discuss what I wrote about?

[AX10]

13. K & R!

[pnwmom]

27. Happy to be your 5th rec!

[Thickasabrick]

28. Joe Klein is an idiot - read Kos' post about Klein's latest effort

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/6/13478/59194/291/470574

[Triana]

29. "strong, ugly undercurrent of sexism"

Couldn't have said it better myself. That's exactly what it is.

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[FedoraLV]

31. Early votes in Texas

Favored Obama over Clinton:

Clinton 613,344 47.76%
Obama 649,001 50.54%


Late Votes Switched to Clinton:

Clinton 1,459,814 50.89%
Obama 1,358,785 47.36%

Obama is leading in the caucuses, held later that same day:

Clinton 44%
Obama 56%

sources: <http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_136_state.htm>
<http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX>

According to one analysis, at least 8 Texas counties have no votes for downticket Republicans, which may match the effects of Republicans taking Rush's advice to freep the election (which would, consequently, not let them vote downticket on R candidates):
<http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=127715>

-FedoraLV

[AtomicKitten]

33. And Limbaugh Republicans constituted 8-9% of the vote for Hillary in Texas and Ohio.

The Republicans can't wait to muck up the rest of the process to cause chaos because they know the Clintons don't know when they are beaten and will continue to bloody up Barack for the GE.

Good luck on all that.