There's nothing that can be kept secret in Vermont...

[KaraokeKarlton]

If one of Gephardt's opposition researchers can't sneak to Vermont to try to dig up dirt on Dean and avoid being caught, does anyone think Dean could hide anything he did? Not in this state...lol

http://deandefense.org/archives/000827.html

[blm]

1. Wow...Gephardt must be retaliating for Dean's pushpolling

against him and others in Iowa.

Amazing what lengths "sneaks" are willing to go to, heh?

[Cha]

3. Oh yeah, geppy is trying to get some dirt where there is none

and that sneaky john kerry going ahead and voting with the bush cabal.

[Cha]

4. Oh and wanted to add maybe geppy is trying to get some dirt

to cancel out that rose garden picture kissing bush.

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5. I'll try again

who knows I might get an answer this time. Push polling, as defined by those who know, involves polling way more people than a standard poll does. Do you have any citation, from any source, in any place, at any time, which states that Dean did that? Not your interpretation but actual words in black and white or spoken that say Dean or people acting on his behalf, polled way more people than a standard poll does.

It also involves false charges. Do you have any citation, in any place, at any time, that involves Dean, or people on his behalf, using unambigously false charges in polling against anyone, anywhere, at any time? Again, not your interpretation but clear, black and white or spoken words.

Please put up on this.

[Cha]

6. I think the poster just likes to throw out false information about

Dean to make kerry look good.

[Nazgul35]

13. actually you are incorrect...

push polling is to ask questions that are designed to elicite a certain response from the respondent....

i.e.: Do you support Pres. Clinton's blatent disregard of the constitution and disrespect of the oval office by getting a hummer from Monica?

that would be a push poll question....

[Cha]

2. That's funny!

Thanks for that, KaraokeK!

Maybe blonde monica can get a job with the Dem candidate and go into Washington and find dirt on bush.

[Octafish]

7. So why did Dean seal his papers for 10 years?

He originally wanted them sealed for 20 years, but settled for 10. Why? — Octafish

"Well, there are future political considerations. We didn't want anything embarrassing appearing in the papers at a critical time in any future endeavor."
— Howard Dean, MD


Vermont Public Radio:

PART OF DEAN'S RECORDS SEALED IN STATE ARCHIVES

John Dillon

MONTPELIER, VT (2003-01-14)

(Host) Many of the records from the 11 years Howard Dean was governor of Vermont will be kept secret, at least for now. Shortly before he left the governor's job, Dean negotiated a deal that seals his sensitive papers for 10 years. Records from the two previous administrations were closed for just six years. Dean is running for president, and he says he wanted the records closed because of political considerations.

VPR's John Dillon reports:

(Dillon) (Sound of footsteps on stairs.) Assistant State Archivist Christie Carter leads the way downstairs to a basement vault at the secretary of state's office. Inside the climate controlled room are documents from early Vermont, like the original 1777 Vermont constitution. There the priceless and the unusual: election records from the 1780s, and town lists of the insane from the 1830s. The archives also hold more recent history.

(Carter) "There are 195 cubic feet of open records and 150 cubic feet of records that will be closed for ten years. And I can show you where they are...." (Sound of vault opening.)

(Dillon) Stacked in brown cardboard boxes alongside the files of Governors Richard Snelling and Madeleine Kunin are the latest gubernatorial papers. These were turned over last week by outgoing Governor Howard Dean. The files that Dean decided should not be released immediately will be kept secret until January 2013. The 10-year time lock is longer than the six years agreed to by Kunin and Snelling.

CONTINUED...

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/vpr/news/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=441887

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8. The same papers from Kerry are sealed forever

if he so chooses. The Congress is exempt from the FIA which means that memos, correspondence, etc only becomes public if the individual member agrees. I have seen no public statement by Kerry that this is forthcoming.

[Octafish]

9. Kerry's whole career is an open book.

Here's the history:

1. US Navy Officer: Three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star with "V" for valor, a Silver Star. Gee, that's something one can look up.

2. As a Massachusetts District Attorney: Prosecuted a Mafia chieftain. Gee, that Mafia had something to do with the "Bay of Pigs Thing" didn't they? That's dangerous.

3. US Senator: 19-year voting record shows he supprts Civil Rights and a woman's right to choose, Public Education, the Environment, Government and Campaign Finance Reform, Gun Safety, Pro-Labor, Pro-Small Business, Pro-Social Security, and pro-Universal Health Care. Wonder if his notes reveal why he wants stuff that's good for ALL the American people?

Kerry has done nothing wrong, anywhere along the way. From what anyone can see, he has not done anything he'd want to seal.

[dsc]

10. and you can see the same stuff for Dean

You can see every law he signed, every potential law he vetoed, every speech he gave, every item on his schedule, and every executive order he issued. What you can't see for either person is the advice they got from staff, the responses to that advice, the correspondence they sent and recieved to constituents. It should be noted that unlike Kerry you see what Dean actually said and not extended remearks. Again for both candidates you can see the same things.

[KaraokeKarlton]

12. It's only personal correspondence that's sealed

And all governors seal them for 6 years. Dean sealed his for 10 because he's running for president and people would be looking in them. I mean, he DID sign the Civil Unions bill and got letters from all over the country from homosexuals during that whole debate. A lot of those people probably haven't "come out" and I imagine they don't want the religious right to know their names and addresses and harass them for being gay. I'm glad Dean sealed the records because it shows a respect for the privacy of those who wrote to him asking for help and support.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

11. So Gephardt's campaign is researching Dean's public statements. So what?

this is news?

[sandnsea]

14. Having lived in Montana...

I would have to say... bullshit!

I'm not saying there's anything on Howard Dean. But the whole concept that because Vermont is small means there's no dirt is laughable. I watched small town politics for years. I watched broke people get into office and be independently wealthy just a few years later. I've seen Commissioners grab up land deals for back taxes that the general public only wished they could have gotten in on. I've seen laws pushed through so some local developer could jack the prices on his land. Lots of things, tons of things. Whitewater is classic, that's the way business is done in small states, ALL THE TIME. To say Vermont is small so there can't be any dirt is soooo naive. The rug has a big old lump in it and it's not a tree sprouting up. It's dirt, tons of it.

Again, doesn't mean there's something on Howard Dean. It just means what might be there would be so mixed in with other people's dirt that nobody would dare pull the rug off.