Burlington Free Press

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http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/specialnews/dean/index.htm

They have a good page on their site following the Dean campaign.

(Just in case it was being presented on this site that VT media hates Dean).

There are some good links, compilation of articles, and -- get this -- editorials that don't portray Dean as an evil Repub.

Worth a look.

[Nicholas_J]

1. Doesnt matter

They still refer to Deans dishonest political style and his misuse of facts


Dean bites Democrats






One certainty about the 2004 presidential primary campaign is that Howard Dean will not be named Mr. Congeniality by his fellow Democratic contestants.

Over the past few weeks, the former Vermont governor has growled like a political pit bull toward other Democrats seeking to challenge President Bush next year....

Although sometimes loose with the truth, Dean's attack strategy seems to have paid off. He has put his opponents on the defensive and has drawn considerable attention from political commentators and Democratic contributors...


As Dean becomes a top-tier candidate, however, his casual approach to facts and abusive tactics against his opponents could get him into serious trouble -- and severely damage Vermont's reputation for political civility and intellectual honesty.

http://www.sover.net/~auc/deanbites.htm

Thats why the Washinton Post nailed him on his continually of playing politics rather than being honest in his campaigning.

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2. Nice try, this paper normally LOVES Dean

This article was about his style, not his record.

But here's a good read:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/specialnews/dean/74.htm

Or this recent editorial:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/specialnews/dean/edit4.htm

There are tons of great links on this page. Glad I found it.

[Nicholas_J]

3. It is amazing

How you can interpret a wonderfully subtle attack on Dean in his favor...

A tightwad Democrat
than ends with
After all, he is a liberal, isnt he.

is the typical dry New England Humor about the person they are writing about.

If you do not get the dry humor in all of this, you simply dont get it at all.

The second article is stright reporting, and has NOTHING favorable or unfavorable about Dean at all. It is mostly a simple bean count on how many people showed up at his rallis, with a few quotes from Dean himself. ONe old mans opinion, a quote from Dean himself and Dean draging 300 people in one city and 1200 in another.

THATS PRAISE...

You are reaching, and your reach exceeds Deans grasp

Dean kept his distance from his party’s liberals during his governorship.

"He seemed to take glee in attacking us at every opportunity and using us as a way to form alliances with more conservative elements," said former state Sen. Cheryl Rivers, a leader of the state Democrats’ liberal wing and former chairwoman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee.

Dean fashioned himself a position in the political center of Vermont politics even as the state has moved steadily to the left.


http://premium1.fosters.com/2003/news/may%5F03/may%5F19/news/reg%5Fvt0519a.asp

This is a more accurate depiction of Dean and what democrats think of him there. Vermont Democrats for the most part , are far to the left of Howard Dean, and most of the newspapers there are far more liberal than the New York Times.

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4. It is equally amazing

that you continue to send people to the Burlington Free Press, which gives Dean tons of free press and fair coverage. I'll take it!

As for the article, it is only a negative article if you were hoping Dean was a major liberal. In fact, I like this article because in their subtle New England humor way, they are helping to dispel that incorrect label.

Read it again. They let Dean explain himself and say "It's a sound philosophy, and one Dean can back up."

And yes, you are probably right that there are many Dems far to the left of Howard Dean in Vermont who didn't like him. So what? There are many Dems far to the left of Dean all over the country. But there are also plenty of other Dems who like Dean.

I think your view of anything that isn't Dean bashing is clouded by your intense and twisted hatred for the man. So okay. Keep bumping this thread, because I think the BFP is a great site.

Meanwhile, instead of spending this beautiful California day inside, I'm taking my Dean shirt out in public. :)

[Nicholas_J]

5. The great thing is

That the rest of the media is pointing out all of Deans flip flops during the last ten months and I will bet you that very soon you will see that the Burlington Free Press just rushes to catch up with the rest of them.

We will see how the begin to deal with this as the campaign moves on.

[Larkspur]

6. I'll take Dean's "flip-flops" over Kerry's support for the Iraq War

every day of the year.

At least Dean bases his decisions and changes in policiy on the evidence on hand, not on whether it will make him look electable to swing voters.

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8. and after reading this article, I wondered...why was Dean opposed.?

to this war.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1037081,00.html

Yep, Kerry...you are right. Dean was wrong to be opposed to this war.

[Nicholas_J]

9. No Dean supporter

Has been able to Proove their statement that Kerry Supporterd the War in Iraq and Dean did not:

THis is a Dean quote from just before the war:

Salon: On the campaign trail with the un-Bush
Salon (possibly in its death throes) pulls out a terrific profile of Howard Dean, the horse I'm backing for the Democratic nomination.

I have been concerned about his foreign policy stance. He's distinguished himself as the most anti-war candidate extant. But let's see how he says he would do it:

"s I've said about eight times today," he says, annoyed -- that Saddam must be disarmed, but with a multilateral force under the auspices of the United Nations. If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice.
Easy to say at this late date, but imagine if we'd gone to the UN in September with a timetable, backed with a clear threat of unilateral action. I think things would have gone rather differently.

Posted by howard at February 20, 2003 11:45 PM


http://www.howardsmusings.com/2003/02/20/salon_on_the_campaign_trail_with_the_unbush.html

As a matter of fact. Deans stance here shows that Dean supported Bush's position.

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7. "just you wait..."

I won't hold my breath.

In another thread, you posted one editorial from this paper that in fact wasn't that negative, in an attempt to show that even the well-respected newspapers in Vermont hate Dean.

Now that this theory has been discredited, you claim that "very soon" the BFP will be catching up...whatever.

:eyes:

[Nicholas_J]

10. The hysterical part

Is that you are citing articles and praise from Republicans, and Demos totally are damning Dean with faint praise. HE is not said to have been a great governor, but thr Dems must grasp for things like "he has gotten the support of a lot of young people, he sould be proud of that"

This is because political people cant come out and directly state, he was an asshole, so they reach for some BLAND praise to indicate their disdain for Dean.

This is like the bull they throw around with each other when they state that anyone of the candidateson stage with them would be a better president than Bush. All this simply means is that since a banana would make a better president than Bush, anyone would.

To have to graps in such a way and then interprest this as support and praise for Dean in Vermont is the funniest part of all of it.