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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 07:53 PM
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Dean supports home care for elderly and disabled
Howard Dean has consistently testified on behalf of the elderly and disabled in an effort to push home care rather than institutionalization. This was something he worked hard to address in Vermont to make it easier for the elderly and disabled to get services at home so they wouldn't have to go into nursing homes.

http://www.accessman.com/hcbs/governor-dean-excerpts.htm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 07:55 PM
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1. Now I like that idea.
That can be worked in ways to make it so much less costly. It would not break so many hearts either.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 07:58 PM
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2. Yes, it's something he's pushed for quite some time
He has testified to congress many, many times to try to get them to change things so that the elderly and disabled could stay at home easier. It saves money, too. I'm curious how the other Democrats voted on these issues. Anyone know?
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 07:58 PM
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3. Now for the actions of Howard Dean
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 07:59 PM by Nicholas_J
This is the journal of a Vermont Advocacy Groujp for the aged. Talk is cheap, lets see what he wanted to DO.

VAHHA Voice
Spring 2002

Selected articles from the Spring 2002 VAHHA Voice, the newsletter of the Vermont Assembly of Home Health Agencies


Governor’s Budget Cuts Medicaid Programs

Governor Howard Dean, in his eleventh and last budget address, cut several Medicaid programs including prescription drugs, dental care and vision services. Dean told lawmakers times a tough and sacrifices had to be made.

The Dean budget for FY 2003 is $891 million in state spending, one percent more than the state expects to spend this fiscal year but nearly 3% less than the budget passed last year ($916 million). Revenues this year are expected to be $50 million below budget. Dean wants to use the "Rainy Day" fund to cover some of the $50 million shortfall but does not want to tap that fund for FY 2003. Next year’s budget is based on revenue estimates of $893 million.

If passed as presented, Dean’s budget would:

Eliminate the VScript Expanded Program.

Reduce the Vermont Health Access Plan pharmacy benefit.

Increase the co-pay up to $750/year for medicines under both the VScript and VHAP pharmacy programs. (Those eligible now pay only a few dollars for each filled prescription).

Eliminate the Medicaid dentures, chiropractic and podiatry programs.

Reduce the adult dental programs (cover pain and suffering only, not preventative care).

Add a 50% co-pay to adult vision programs.

Add a $250 co-pay per admission to VHAP inpatient hospital benefit.

Reduce the hospital outpatient payment by 10%.

Establish a hospital outpatient co-pay of $25.

These cuts would save about $27 million, $11 million in state money. Few advocates for the elderly are happy with the budget and have vowed to restore the money lost to these programs. A coalition of over a dozen advocacy groups held a rally and press conference at the Capitol building to denounce the budget cuts.

http://vnavt.com/vahhavoicewinter2002.htm

Among Dean's last acts were attempts to screw the elderly
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:06 PM
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4. Good for you Dean! You must being doing something right to
to warrant all this Kind of attention!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:08 PM
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5. That must be one I put on ignore, Zidzi.
}( Don't have a clue what they said. Don't tell me.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:43 PM
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13. I have no idea what it said ....I just know who it is and why they're
doing it so ergo my post!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 12:49 AM
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22. You can ignore unpleasant truths only so long, you know.

You are liable to be very, very embarrassed, chagrined, and angry if your dear Howard actually gets elected and starts pulling some of the stunts he pulled in Vermont.

I see liberalnurse saying he gets good reviews in a magazine dealing with health care. Unfortunately, the very article that Nicholas J. posted details Dean's attempt to cut many health services for the elderly -- vision care, all non-emergency dental, podiatry, etc., all to balance the budget (he's obsessive about balanced budgets.) I understand that you like Howard and you don't want to believe that he ever did anything wrong. But the evidence is out there that he did.

It's my hope to see the Democratic Party nominate the best Democratic candidate we can find to defeat Bush*. Initially, Howard Dean was my second choice, but then I started learning more about him. . .

A couple of months ago, I happened to read an article in an environmental publication about Dean -- it was abstracted in an environmental newsletter I subscribe to. I was surprised to learn that Dean said that he supported sending nuclear wastes to Yucca Mountain and thought it was a great solution as long as he was governor of Vermont but said that now that he was running for president, he'd have to reconsider that. Perhaps, believing in NIMBY, he'd now be OK with dumping the radioactive trash in Mexico, or anywhere else outside the U.S.!

Dean also said that "as a physician" he thought foods containing GMOs were safe. No mention of the problems of crop cross-contamination, possible dangerous allergic reactions, the EXTRA pesticides and herbicides needed to grow these crops or the LACK OF STUDIES OF THESE FOODS. And yet he insists that marijuana needs to be studied before he'd approve it for medical use. That makes no sense to me as we know hundreds of thousands of people have used marijuana over the centuries with no obvious ill effects other than silliness and the munchies. One study indicated you could get lung cancer by smoking pot, just as from smoking tobacco, but there are other ways to get the effects of pot, and many sick people have benefited from it.

So I posted about this article at DU and quickly learned that Dean supporters did not want to hear any questions asked or any suggestion that Howard might be wrong about something. I was told to read Dean's website.

I'm sorry but I don't limit myself to reading a candidate's own literature! I check out other sources. And I don't like what I've found out about Dean. He's not the best our party can get. I will keep saying so, even if you folks put me on Ignore because you can't handle it. Others read and learn. Bury your head in the sand if you choose but that's a strange choice for intelligent women to make. You might as well just do like a Republican woman I know and let your husband tell you who to vote for!



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 10:17 AM
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27. So that was Nicholas J who posted it?
I didn't see it. He has a goal, and I put him on ignore. Took him off, put him back. Now, may I say something to you. If the supporters of anyone go around and talk in a condescending way to others, they hurt their own cause. I believe Dean supporters brag a lot, but they don't slam as often.

You just implied that we supporters of Dean do not read up on our candidate, do not accept criticism, do not think coherently. You picture me, thusly, as a pom pom cheerleader for Dean.

I find that rather insulting. I don't have to present my concerns to you, about Dean, or about any other candidate I support. Ok?

You may not realize that most of our fast-growing meet-up here are quite aware of all the literature, slams, bangs, whatever on him. We also realize the same things about the others. We take articles to the meeting, we weigh his stances against ours.

Your effort to paint Dean supporters this way is getting a little obvious.

Now, have you noticed I did not criticize your candidate one single time?

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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 10:28 AM
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28. Dembones
do you honestly think there are no hard decisions that are going to have to be made out there? That there are fights that aren't gonna be won? I am convinced he'll do what he can, and that he does fight for what he believes in. I know you are supporting someone you think could accomplish all he promises...would you care to try and convince me he can? I know Dean isn't perfect...most of us do (yes I know it seems like some Dean supporters don't). But Nic is a different story. I've not a single doubt in my mind that John Kerry (who is on Nics avatar) has had to make some tough decisions too. I am just not obsessed with bringing up the obvious ones or digging up the obscure ones like he does. Thats why he gets little respect around here. Though I have to hand it to him. Yesterday for the first time I saw him post something about someone besides Dean.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 10:00 PM
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16. Me too....
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 10:07 PM by liberalnurse
I only have one on ignore...... An obnoxious Kerry supporter who is a bully.

In a nursing case manangement mag July 03;...A similiar article was written. Dean has tremendous praise for his work with the elderly. Stong focus on home care.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:14 PM
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7. Unfortunately, all states have had to cut...
medicare benefits. My state cut medicare and many other programs even more so than Vermont. What else did Dean cut, or did he just single out the elderly to pick on? I'm guessing other programs were cut, too, but the authors of this piece wanted to showcase that Dean is a meanie to the elderly. I like your last sentence. Never would've guessed you were a Kerry supporter if it weren't for your avatar <snerk>.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:24 PM
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11. They weren't cut at all, actually
I'm pretty sure it was a case of Dean asking for something so he could keep funding everything and the legislature refused to pass what he asked for, so he had to put forth a budget with cuts. In the end, the legislature ended up caving in to some extent so that things could be funded. Dean knows how to get things done that need to be done by taking a hard line and showing lawmakers what the outcome is going to be if they don't take a sensible approach. I think this one was over raising the cigarette tax again. I have to say that as a smoker, I don't care for the cigarette taxes, but it helps pay for things we need, so I'll live with it. Ironically, the tobacco companies just lower their prices to counter the taxes to an extent, so it cuts into the tobacco companies' profits more than anything else.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:39 PM
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12. You keep forgetting
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 08:39 PM by Nicholas_J
You are crediting Dean for something he was trying to kill, while it was those who OPPOSED Dean who kept the programs, not Dean.

Lets look at this then:

Governor Howard Dean presented his budget priorities and recommendations to legislators at a joint session of the Vermont General Assembly Tuesday. Dean’s proposed $2.1 billion spending plan will place difficult revenue and budget decisions squarely on the shoulders of legislators, many whom have expressed reluctance to raise taxes to fully fund existing state programs.

Dean’s budget recommendation would eliminate a Medicaid prescription drug assistance plan for elderly, disabled and uninsured adults of all ages and require significant cost sharing for recipients of other state health assistance programs. The Governor and many Democrats support raising the tobacco tax 67 cents to avoid these benefit reductions and discourage young Vermonters from taking up smoking. Dean’s proposal would also eliminate free adult dentures, chiropractic care, podiatry and other Medicaid dental programs.

“Every Vermonter deserves to have access to health care, and I will fight for that principle,” Dean said. “But we cannot afford to provide all of the services we currently offer. In this budget I once again ask that you modify Medicaid to ensure that the state-covered plan resembles insurance packages offered in the private sector.”

http://www.bcbsvt.com/isreply/isrep-3-2002.htm


Medicaid cuts will affect thousands of Vermonters
January 23, 2002

By DAVID MACE

Vermont Press Bureau

MONTPELIER — Tens of thousands of Vermonters would see their state health care benefits rolled back or cut off completely under Gov. Howard Dean’s proposed budget, which seeks to wring $16.5 million in savings from Medicaid.

In an effort to curb costs in a rapidly expanding part of the social services budget, Dean is proposing to require many people who got coverage under his expansions of Medicaid programs to pay for a greater share of their health care.

http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/41169.html

Progressives call for higher taxes for rich
January 25, 2002

By JACK HOFFMAN

Vermont Press Bureau

MONTPELIER — Vermont Progressives renewed their call Thursday for higher taxes on the wealthy in order to avoid some of the budget cuts that Gov. Howard Dean outlined earlier this week...

The Progressives said their proposal was designed to mirror the surcharges adopted during that last budget crisis, but they have not proposed an expiration date for the new surcharges.

Dean reiterated his opposition to raising the income tax shortly after the Progressives unveiled their tax plan. Dean contends Vermont’s marginal income tax rate — that is, the top rate paid by those in the highest income brackets — already is too high.

http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/41293.html



Senate adds money to budget, angers Dean
May 9, 2002

By ROSS SNEYD The Associated Press

MONTPELIER — Senators passed a 2003 state budget Wednesday that the governor made clear he would veto if it ever reached his desk.

Just hours after an angry Gov. Howard Dean leveled a series of charges about how irresponsible he believed the Senate, controlled by his fellow Democrats, was being, senators did precisely what he warned them not to do...

Even the governor’s closest allies in the Senate ignored him. Sen. Nancy Chard, D-Windham, recommended restoring $440,000 to one of the pharmaceutical assistance programs and the Senate voted 22-7 to go along with her.

“I’ve become convinced that we have a philosophical difference between the governor, the Republican House and this Senate,” said Senate President Pro Tempore Peter Shumlin, D-Windham.

“The governor and the Republican House want to balance this budget on the backs of our most vulnerable Vermonters. The Senate wants to balance this budget on the backs of the pharmaceutical companies who are charging too much for drugs.”



http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/46513.html

Other quotes from Vermont Democrats indicate that Dean did not only do this during a time of crisis"



By the same token, though, he also supported raising taxes — as long as it wasn’t the income tax — when school funding crises and other issues arose that required it.

Throughout, he held a tight rein on state spending, repeatedly clashing with the Democrats who controlled the Legislature for most of his years as governor.

Dean trimmed spending or held down increases in areas held dear by the liberals. More than once, Dean went to battle over whether individual welfare benefits should rise under automatic cost of living adjustments. Liberals were particularly incensed when he tried that tactic on a program serving the blind, disabled and elderly, which he did several times.

Dean turned often to the bully pulpit to belittle and berate them.


http://premium1.fosters.com/2003/news/may%5F03/may%5F19/news/reg%5Fvt0519a.asp

Deans behavior in this case is completely indefensable. Even after the programs he tried killing were restored to the budget, there was NO deficit. Dean was offered opportunities that did not involve cutting these programs, but Dean escuse for not taking the one way to do it was that the rich in Vermont paid too much in taxes already( (Dean cut income taxes in Vermont several times, and it was his last cut, made in 1998 by using surpluses that are largely responsible for Vermont being caught short. And these cuts were totally unnecessary)

What was Dean doing. Dean knows that the poor andelderly and blind simply do not have the voice and power that the rich have, and so decided to follow the smell of money. He wanted to look like the miracle worker who left Vermont with an ENORMOUS, budget surplus, but as noted, he wanted to do it on the back of those with the least, adn those to whom no one listen.


O.K. now you can all attack me for providing false information, all this stuff is totally bogus, and it never happened.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 11:04 PM
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 11:59 PM
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21. I know you dont
You seem to have problems with factual data, and are totally unable to come up with information that suports Deans campaign statements.

The Data from Vemront itself and from Dean proves that Deans record of decreasing the number of people unisured, and the only reason that Vermonters have a lower rate of uninsured now is that they did BEFORE Dean was in office. As a matter of fact, the data indicates that Dean INCREASED the number of those who were uninsured, during the Clinton Boom Years, while he was brining big business into Vermont, and balancing the budget by cutting programs.

All of this is valid statistical data from Vermont itself or from Medicaid stats provided to the Federal Government by Vermont under Dean. For almost half the years Dean was in office, the number of unisured was higher than it was for the five years PROPR to him coming to office.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 10:12 AM
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26. The only Data from Vermont I need
they kept electing him.

See, every elected official is going to have to make decisions that make people's lives suck. My concern is only, did he make people's lives suck so bad they didn't want him around anymore? Obviously, with Dean, Vermonters felt that while he wasn't the ideal Governor, he was good enough.

So keep posting N_J, because the day you stop, is the day I know Dean is no longer a serious contender for the White House.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 05:53 PM
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31. Twas Republicans
For the most part, that kept re-electing Dean. He kept losing more and more democrats to Anthony Pollina and the Vermont Progressive Party, and lost so many of him that he nearly lost the last time, and decided not to run again becasue polls finally showed that Dean would not get more than 35 percent if he ran again.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:16 PM
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9. How does this compare with the health plans
of the states from which the other candidates hail?
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:58 PM
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15. Actually...
You cannot compare them, as these candidates do not decide to cut the state budgets, as Dean had the power to do. And also, Vermont was still left with a SURPLUS, even after the Senate stopped him from cutting the programs, indicating that there was no problem that necessitated the cutting of the Budget...

But is if you wish to see what Deans own Commission on Health Care Availability in Vermont Stated about the state of Health Care in Vermont was during his tenure, and how his decisions effected Vermont. from a commission totally appointed by Dean:

Governor's Bipartisan Commission

On Health Care Availability & Affordability

Final Report

I. Authority, Scope

A. On January 24, 2001, Governor Howard Dean issued an executive order establishing a Special Governor's Bipartisan Commission on Health Care Availability and Affordability.

II. Introduction

A. Our commission is made up of people who have spent years listening to testimony and otherwise studying the problems of health care availability and affordability. We have differences, some of them passionate differences, in our political philosophies, and it should come as no surprise that we differ on some of the directions reform should take. Although we have taken a substantial amount of new testimony during the past nine months, our real task has been to try to find common recommendations, despite our philosophical differences.2

B. Based on what we have learned, we do agree on this: Health care in Vermont is near a state of crisis -- some of us would say it is already in crisis -- and all health care sectors are on edge. We also note that many of these problems are national or even global in scope and that our abilities to solve them at the state level are limited.

C. Health care costs in Vermont, now exceeding $2 billion a year, are of a sufficient magnitude, however, and are increasing at a sufficient rate to place state government itself in jeopardy, including every program for which it appropriates money. By comparison, Vermonters budgeted $1.8 billion for all state government services in FY 2001 (not including federal funds).3

We are rapidly approaching the point at which these costs will directly conflict with our ability to do such things as to maintain roads and bridges, for example, or to provide cost-effective services to our infants and children, to promote agriculture and tourism, or to provide any other services our citizens have come to expect.

D. We do not have a health care system in Vermont.4 That means:

1. No one is in control.

2. No one is responsible for ensuring that high-quality medical care is adequate for the needs of the public.

3. No one ensures that medical charges are appropriate or that they are paid in full.5

4. There is a "disconnect" between the consumer receiving health care and the entity paying the bill. Consumers are shielded from the cost of the service.

5. There is no global budgeting or targeted growth planning for health care in Vermont.

6. There is little in the way of public accountability for the performance of health care institutions, or for their long-term planning.

7. Although administrative costs, including those associated with government paperwork burdens, have reached an unacceptable level, no one has been able to do anything about it.

http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:aC9QzqwOEmkJ:www.state.vt.us/health/commission/docs/report/mainreport.doc+%22Howard+Dean%22+%22Incentive+Plan+for+Medicaid%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

or

http://www.state.vt.us/health/commission/docs/report/mainreport.doc.


But again, start flaming on the inaccuracy of the Vermont Report requested by Dean.

Here is another report, which indicates that under Dean, not much ever happened to provide insurance for the uninsured:

Table 2 – Estimates of the Percent Uninsured in Vermont,

1987-2001 CPS

RWJF Year US VT / State

1987 9.8%

1988 10.7%

1989 8.8%

1990 9.5%

1991 12.7%

1992 9.5%

1993 11.9%

1994 8.6%

1995 13.0%

1996 11.0%

1997 9.5%

1998 9.9%

199 11.1%

2000 8.6%

2001 9.6%

http://cms.hhs.gov/medicaid/1115/statesum.pdf 3http://www.census.gov/hhes/hlthins/historic/hihistt4.html 4Counting the Uninsured: A Review of the Literature; Urban Institute; July,1998 5http://www.dhfs.state.wi.us/News/PressReleases/uninsuredcensusdata.htm

The stats pretty much work out to where things didn't change all that much under Dean, and fluctuated more wildly after he came to office than they did before he was in office.

As the report from the Comission he set up stated, there was NO HEALTH CARE SYSTEM in Vermont...

But again, all of this stuff is discredited lies from yours truly, flame away.

You cant answer, as you dont have any answers. Most of you support Dean without knowing anything about him or his policies or what he did, or what he supported, or what he opposed, or what he cut, or what he didnt, or even his reasons why.

Attack me all you want...

But you cannot attack facts. these are facts, and you continually refuse to address them.

This is why eventually Dean will lose to Bush. Dean is actually WORSE, than dealing with the realities of these figures and facts, and situations that occurred in Vermont while he was in charge.

Whe Dean is confronted with figures like these, his response is much like those of his supporters. A blanket denial and a staemtn like "Everyone knows that these federal medicaid statistics are innacurate"

But no real facts to back him up.

And neither can any of his DU supporters.

They come up with personal opinions but not data that indicates the opposite, except from Dean for America.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 10:22 PM
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17. Facts are facts... from your own link
C. Vermont provides government coverage intended to be sufficient to ensure financial access to health care for children, pregnant women, and new mothers.
this is what he talks about
D. Vermont ranks among the highest in the nation in the percentage of residents who have health care coverage.12
he also talks about this.

Sounds like Howard Dean asked some people to try and help him find ways to deal with the situation (which is dire all over, and you KNOW THAT)... and they came back without a whole lot of solutions (unfortunately).
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 11:42 PM
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20. Unfortunately
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 11:47 PM by Nicholas_J
Your leap of faith that is it Dean who is responsible for it is a leap that is in NO way justified by facts.

There are no programs that are not primarily funded by the federal government in Vermont, even Dr Dynasaur.

But there is every bit of evidence in these articles that it is NOT Dean who is resposible for that fact, but those who opposed his cuts, and the fact that under Clinton, funding to federal programs to assist those who were on medicare and well above the federal poverty level to get insurance.

All Programs in Vermont to provide health care to the uninsured ARE federally mandated programs, and NOT Vermont State programs funded SOLY by the state through it own budget.
That is another one of the bits of false information conveyed by Dean in Vermont:

In 1989, Vermont created the Dr. Dynasaur program, which provided state-funded health assistance to children six years and younger, as well as pregnant women who did not qualify for Medicaid up to 200 percent FPL.

By 1992, the program had expanded to cover children up to age 17, up to 225 percent FPL, and was integrated into the state Medicaid program.

This was later expanded under the CHIP program to cover children up to 300 percent FPL.

In 1991, Vermont passed the Act 160 Legislative Initiatives, which required all insurers with small-employer products (50 or fewer workers) to guarantee-issue policies at community rates and committed the state to the goal of universal health insurance coverage.

The Vermont Health Access Program (VHAP) was designed to operate under a 1115 Medicaid waiver. The waiver was granted in 1995 and
recently extended to ensure that it would remain operational until at least 2003. VHAP covers custodial parents and caretaker relatives up to 185 percent FPL, noncustodial parents and other adults up to 150 percent FPL, aged and disabled through 105 percent FPL, and pregnant women through 200 percent FPL.

The VHAP Pharmacy Program replaced the V-Script program, initially started in 1989. The programs were initially designed to provide pharmaceuticals to low-income elderly citizens. It has been expanded to cover Medicare beneficiaries up to 175 percent FPL and other individuals with incomes up to 300 percent FPL. Existing Major Access Programs Dr. Dynasaur, VHAP, Medicaid SPG FINDINGS Insurance DataAbout 51,390 (8.4 percent) of Vermont’s 608,829 citizens lack health coverage.

The uninsured include people at all income levels; 21.6 percent of the uninsured had incomes below FPL; 29.6 percent had incomes 100–200 percent FPL; 22.3 percent had incomes 200–300 percent FPL; and 26.3 percent had incomes greater than 300 percent FPL. More than three-quarters of the uninsured population were employed; 66.5 percent of the uninsured were working full time and 10.5 percent were working 30 hours or less per week.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:IzgyiDJ_sosJ:www.cmwf.org/programs/insurance/sacks_20hrsagrants_vt_577.pdf+%22HRSA%22+%22ACT+160%22+%22Vermont%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The above explains that Dean did nothing, and that the feds created a new program to allow what is called a subsection 1115 waiver, which allows the state to use unused federal funds from other projects and apply it towards medicaid. THe only reason Vermont has a lower level of the uninsures is simply becasue it was that way already, before Dena took over.

Dean did nothing that was not available in other states, which explains why the statistic for those who were covered in Vermont while Dean was governor dropped by a tiny fraction.

The in his first full year as governor, 9.5 percent were uninsured and in his last full year as governor 9.6 percent of Vermonters were uninsured, with the figures wildly fluctuating. While Dean was governor of Vermont, while Clinton was president, while the government was pumping money to the states, The number of UNISURED in Vermont was as often higher than it was BEFORE Dean came to office.

Only in 2 years, did the percentage of the uninsured in Vermont fall below the lowest levels that existed at the lowest level that was reached BEFORE Dean came to office.

There is NOTHING in the statistics in which Dean can be found to be responsible for ANY improvement in Vermont Health care accessibility.

Again, you are giving Dean credit for something that never occurred.

Dean never increased the percentage of people who were uninsured in Vermont, and never created any kind of program to assure that those who lost their insurance got coverage. If this were the case, the numbers would not fluctuate wildly, but cluster closely around the average figure for Vermont over this period, which the study places at ten percent.If ther was ANY kind of system in place, when someone lose their insurance, they would then get it through medicaid, or some other program, and so the stats would stay relatively flat.

They didnt.

That is another truth that Dean supporters choose to ignore, and simply give their personal opinions about. Not ONE whit of proof or statistics or figures to support their claims or Deans.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 08:35 AM
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25. I'm still waiting
Edited on Fri Sep-12-03 08:38 AM by indigo32
for your answer to this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=37215#37509

BTW I happen to think there is nothing wrong with Dean utilizing federal programs to take care of the people in his state. Just keep talking Nic... you only strengthen my resolve. But you don't realize that.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 05:51 PM
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30. Not bad...
if you are claiming that all you did is offer medicaid in your state. rather than all of this horse hockey Dean keeps spouting about what "WE" did in Vermont, with the Dean Royal we.


Sorry that little rant of your won't scour.

When I just logged on I found myself faced with nearly a hundreds PM's supporting me and the stuff I am posting about Dean, and getting new satuff being sent to me in PM's as links for me to put up here.

And I keep on seeing new mail messages every couple of minutes.


that is something I am finding MOST gratifying, and I thank everyone who is sending me their suport for my posts, here and now.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 10:26 PM
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33. Ok Nic
sure 100's of PMs OK... I believe you. Guess what, your rant doesn't convince me either. I've no doubt that there are certain people thanking you...but guess what Nic...I don't care. Bitterness is NOT appealing. You REAK of it.

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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:11 PM
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6. Dean rules!! others drool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dean '04
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:17 PM
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10. Love that line...
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 10:22 PM
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18. This is funny but
only propagates others ideas about us.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 12:56 AM
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23. This might be amusing if it were coming from a seven year-old.

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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:16 PM
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8. This calls for a complete paradigm shift
And Howard I like your paradigm! As a person who may face disability, I say you go Howard!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 08:58 PM
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14. I love your sig line in remembrance of today, caledisi!
:kick:
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 02:16 AM
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24. This shift offers power to people with disabilities!
Edited on Fri Sep-12-03 02:17 AM by loyalsister
This and other elements in Dean's platform recognizes and respects people with disabilities in truly unique way.
He has a clear grasp of quality of life issues. People's ability to live in a preferred environment can contribute significantly to their adaptation to a disability, as well as their responses to treatments.
I also like his idea to make attendent care a part of medicaid. Currently, the states have had to absorb that cost. If they can't or don't, the alternative is a nursing facility. This applies to people who can, once they get into their chair can motor all over and lead productive lives. It's SO refreshing to see a presidential candidate who is aware of the injustice of this.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 10:30 AM
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29. He's absolutely right
I have a grandmother in a nursing home and a personal friend who is also in one. Grandma is 95. My friend is 51 and has multiple sclerosis. Both of them would be better off with in-home care, and at lower cost.

The HMOs are insane.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 05:54 PM
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32. If it doesn't interfere with his fiscally Republican budget
In Vermont, he cut health care funds for his pro-business budget and made health care a name-only thing.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 02:13 PM
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35. Yup
More than anyone else, the large insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and health care providers, got the lions share of the Health Care dollar from the Vermont Government. When costs to the state went up, Doctors got paid less, patients were being hit with greater out of pocet expenses, and the big players got everything else, Dean never tried to control costs , but let the corporate agents in the process drain the state coffers.

Health Care
Howard Dean gives passionate speeches about universal health care as a moral imperative, not just a policy initiative. Maybe, somewhere deep in his heart, he really believes that people have a right to good health care. But we sure aren't going to get there following the path he took in Vermont: tiny increments -- adding insurance coverage for kids in moderate income families one year, cutting back their benefits and increasing their co-pays and premiums the next. Adding a prescription drug benefit for low-income seniors, then cutting many of the most commonly used new drugs out of the formulary and forcing seniors back onto older medications with more side effects. His national proposal is similar--not really universal: it would extend Medicaid to people under 25, add a little prescription drug coverage to Medicare, tinker with this, adjust that, don't do anything to upset the insurance companies or big Pharmaceuticals. Then, when the bill gets big, he would make the cutbacks in the same incremental fashion. For example, began by defunding eyeglasses for kids here, dentures for seniors there. You know, just a few cuts; after all, everyone has to do his share.


http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs08292003.html


Governor’s Budget Cuts Medicaid Programs

Governor Howard Dean, in his eleventh and last budget address, cut several Medicaid programs including prescription drugs, dental care and vision services. Dean told lawmakers times a tough and sacrifices had to be made.

The Dean budget for FY 2003 is $891 million in state spending, one percent more than the state expects to spend this fiscal year but nearly 3% less than the budget passed last year ($916 million). Revenues this year are expected to be $50 million below budget. Dean wants to use the "Rainy Day" fund to cover some of the $50 million shortfall but does not want to tap that fund for FY 2003. Next year’s budget is based on revenue estimates of $893 million.

If passed as presented, Dean’s budget would:

Eliminate the VScript Expanded Program.

Reduce the Vermont Health Access Plan pharmacy benefit.

Increase the co-pay up to $750/year for medicines under both the VScript and VHAP pharmacy programs. (Those eligible now pay only a few dollars for each filled prescription).

Eliminate the Medicaid dentures, chiropractic and podiatry programs.

Reduce the adult dental programs (cover pain and suffering only, not preventative care).

Add a 50% co-pay to adult vision programs.

Add a $250 co-pay per admission to VHAP inpatient hospital benefit.

Reduce the hospital outpatient payment by 10%.

Establish a hospital outpatient co-pay of $25.

These cuts would save about $27 million, $11 million in state money. Few advocates for the elderly are happy with the budget and have vowed to restore the money lost to these programs. A coalition of over a dozen advocacy groups held a rally and press conference at the Capitol building to denounce the budget cuts.

http://vnavt.com/vahhavoicewinter2002.htm

Governor's Bipartisan Commission

On Health Care Availability & Affordability

Final Report

I. Authority, Scope

A. On January 24, 2001, Governor Howard Dean issued an executive order establishing a Special Governor's Bipartisan Commission on Health Care Availability and Affordability.

C. Health care costs in Vermont, now exceeding $2 billion a year, are of a sufficient magnitude, however, and are increasing at a sufficient rate to place state government itself in jeopardy, including every program for which it appropriates money. By comparison, Vermonters budgeted $1.8 billion for all state government services in FY 2001 (not including federal funds).3

We are rapidly approaching the point at which these costs will directly conflict with our ability to do such things as to maintain roads and bridges, for example, or to provide cost-effective services to our infants and children, to promote agriculture and tourism, or to provide any other services our citizens have come to expect.

D. We do not have a health care system in Vermont.4 That means:

1. No one is in control.

2. No one is responsible for ensuring that high-quality medical care is adequate for the needs of the public.

3. No one ensures that medical charges are appropriate or that they are paid in full.5

4. There is a "disconnect" between the consumer receiving health care and the entity paying the bill. Consumers are shielded from the cost of the service.

5. There is no global budgeting or targeted growth planning for health care in Vermont.

6. There is little in the way of public accountability for the performance of health care institutions, or for their long-term planning.

7. Although administrative costs, including those associated with government paperwork burdens, have reached an unacceptable level, no one has been able to do anything about it.


http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:aC9QzqwOEmkJ:www.state.vt.us/health/commission/docs/report/mainreport.doc+%22Howard+Dean%22+%22Incentive+Plan+for+Medicaid%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


Deans experince as a Wall Street investment banker, and the fact that from his earliest political days, his advisors havebeen conservative Wall Street Stock Brokers and investment bankers are the clearest indications of where Dean intends all of the health care dollar in America to end up, As profits for people who are already too wealthy.

To the dismay of liberals in the Legislature who wanted to expand social and environmental programs, Dr. Dean and his chief economic adviser, Harlan Sylvester, a conservative stockbroker and investment banker, stuck with the Snelling budget-cutting plan. Helped by a booming economy, the state's finances improved sharply.

http://www.politicalpunk.com/~politica/politicalpunkfordeanarchive/000129.php
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CoffeePlease1947 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 01:17 AM
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34. Vs. the other candidates that want to throw them out on the streets? WTF?
Edited on Sat Sep-13-03 01:17 AM by CoffeePlease1947
This is news? Does he oppose the beating of dogs and children too?

WOW! How revolutionary!

Mike
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