Dean in trouble for Trent Lott line

[DJcairo]

"The day after the debate, the Dean campaign was asked whether the "Trent Lott" line said by Dean during the Congressional Black Caucus Institute debate was his original thinking. One of Dean's aides responded that his boss had offered it up as an off-the-cuff remark.

The aide's remark was printed in Washington newsletters and said to have been picked up by Carville and HBO's producers, who apparently sent word to the campaign to be cautious about claiming credit for something that they have on tape as an improvisational thought by Carville."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97397,00.html

[trumad]

1. Wow...News from Faux

gee thanks...

[unfrigginreal]

2. Only with Faux News and their listeners. n/t

[joeybee12]

3. The Knives are out--every little thing he says will be criticized

No one seemed to bring up Ronnie reagans "I paid for this mike" commment as directly from the movie, State of the Union.

Face it, it's a double standard for Dems, and a triple standard for outsider Dems.

[Egnever]

4. Okay you win

Welcome to the ignore button. It has become painfully obvious you have absolutely nothing to contribute of any substance. You make number 2. You should be proud its not easy to earn completely useless status. You have joined the estemed ranks of Nick j Grats!

[acerbic]

5. That is pretty desperate and stubborn spamming of wingnut lies. n/t

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[Sean Reynolds]

6. Could it possibly be ....

Could it possibly be that one of Dean's aides didn't KNOW Dean got it from Carville and just chalked it up to it being off-the-cuff?

Anyway, yet again someone is grasping at straws to bring Dean down.

[Rose Siding]

16. That's exactly it

The aides were in the Burlington office.

The alternative that would circumvent any and all misundertandings like this, would be for the Dem candidates, like Bush, to deny the press any access to them at all.

I don't like that idea. It's just unfortunate that the pundacrity and *some* self-proclaimed supporters of other candidates get so preoccupied with gossipy details.

[damnraddem]

22. This has him 'in trouble'? He used something from debate prep.

OK, now let's deconstruct a Dubya speech.

[dave29]

7. Dean was also the inspiration for Love Story

and Invented the Internet

[acerbic]

9. Yup, the scum is clearly trying to Gore Dean

Nobody has ever told EXACTLY WHO, WHEN AND WHERE supposedly said that Dean came up with that line himself. :think:
There's only the persistently repeated vague yapping that "Dean campaing said so", eagerly echoed by a few "DUers" behaving exactly like freepshits. :puke:

[liberalnurse]

8. You sure do research foxx data base a lot..

And this is just more flame bait. Why do you get such pleasure out of insulting fellow DU'ers and our democratic candidates?

What is the gain?

[liberalnurse]

13. Well now, this poster left the thread.

Where is the discussion points? Is this another hit-skip thread?

[damnraddem]

23. Still, we should know what the Freeps and Fauxs are saying.

It IS a service to show us what was in the garbage, whether meant as a service or not.

[Fridays Child]

10. Is this the worst of what they can lob at Dean? Yawn.

It's a great line, actually, and how fortunate that he got a chance to make the point.

[acerbic]

11. It worked against Gore

Their lies were incredibly lame and obvious that time too but they just kept yapping and yapping and when it was not resisted aggressively, some of it stuck.

Never again. :grr:

[damnraddem]

24. Yes, Gore's ox was gored by such lies.

But Dean is a different candidate than Gore. He answers back effectively. I think he'll stand up to their lies much more effectively. And remember that despite the lies, Gore did win the election.

[Cocoa]

12. are you trying to make Kerry supporters look ridiculous?

[seventhson]

14. Umm, I think Kerry supporters make kerry supporters look ridiculous

But what do I know.

Kerry looks ridiculous (and scarily so) to me.

[DrFunkenstein]

18. This Coming From The Guy Who Posts

Perhaps the most off-the-wall threads in DU-dom.

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[jburton]

15. Dean will now lose...

...his key base of support on Faux.

:eyes:

[deutsey]

21. Oh no!

:evilgrin:

[DrFunkenstein]

17. Fox Should Worry More About Trent Lott Seeming Like Trent Lott

I did like this part, though:

On Monday, Kerry responded that Dean's word is about as good as his acting.

"Once again, he's going back on something that he talks about. It seems to be a practice," Kerry said. "If you're going to hold yourself out as a straight talker, let's do it."

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I do love a good chest-thumping. "Let's do it!" It's just like a Michael Jackson video about gang warfare, except with worse dancers.

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[DoctorMyEyes]

19. Did Carville come up with it?

I watched K-Street.

It was pretty cool and blends reality with fiction. While it looks like a prep for the debate I think it was actually fimed AFTER the debate.

Come on, we all know how much difficulty right wingers have with satire, irony, anything not black and white linear. I doubt Fox even understood what they were watching.

By the way - a chicken or the egg question - what ccomes first, the intellectual impairment or the party affiliation?

[w4rma]

20. Yup. Carville came up with the Trent Lott line.

And, the K-Street debate prep film was Carville actually helping to prep Dean's debate.

IMHO, what probably happened is that Dean's staffers in Vermont weren't present for the taping and so they didn't know that Carville came up with the line. Dean's speeches are usually not standard speeches, but are usually a bunch of short lists of points to make and a collection of phrases to mix and match.

[Edwards4President]

26. The Buck Stops at the Top

If they don't know the answer, they shouldn't answer the question until they check their facts. They speak for their boss and he won't be able to get away with "my staff didn't know any better."

[w4rma]

33. lol! He didn't start a war and blame it on the CIA chief.

This is a minor pidilly thing of practically no importance.

[dfong63]

25. omigosh - what did Dean know, and when did he know it???

[dsc]

27. Here is the sourcing for this

The day after the debate, the Dean campaign was asked whether the "Trent Lott" line said by Dean during the Congressional Black Caucus Institute debate was his original thinking. One of Dean's aides responded that his boss had offered it up as an off-the-cuff remark.

The aide's remark was printed in Washington newsletters and said to have been picked up by Carville and HBO's producers, who apparently sent word to the campaign to be cautious about claiming credit for something that they have on tape as an improvisational thought by Carville.

The Dean campaign later acknowledged that it was mistaken in saying it was Dean's line, and suggested that criticism of such missteps is a sign of desperation on the part of rivals who are unable to stop Dean's forward momentum


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So here it is. An aide, unnamed of course, is asked where did Dean get the line and gives an answer. Should the aide have checked? Yes, indeed. Will the aide check next time? Bet your ass. I am pretty sure, as in almost certain, that I could find a Kerry aide doing the same thing sometime if I cared to look. Unlike you I don't care to look.

[MercutioATC]

28. YA-friggin'-WN

I hope that I'm never desperate enough to use something THIS weak as an example of why another candidate isn't getting my vote.

[DrFunkenstein]

29. While Agree That There's Not Much Here

It is part of a larger process of whittling away Dean's "straight-shooter" reputation. In the last few weeks, I think that tag has really lost its significance. For better or worse, Dean is a politician like the rest, only a little rougher around the edges. You don't have to dig deep to find his "straight-shots" contain lots of unseen curves.

[MercutioATC]

30. I hear what you're saying, but citing an unnamed "aide" as a source

for this is silly. His campaign staff would have KNOWN that K Street would have included that footage and even if they were the incredible liars that some make them out to be, they would have never said that the line was a Dean original.

Some uninformed volunteer made a mistake. The "campaign" as an official entity never made the claim that Dean made it up himself. Honestly, if this were about another candidate, I'd be criticizing it just as vehemently.

I have no problem fielding Dean questions. This one (and I hope we agree on this) doesn't really merit discussion.

[ButterflyBlood]

31. step 1: consider source

step 2: disregard

[DannyRed]

32. Weak,

Really weak.

You, Dr. Funk, disgracce yourself with such lame attempts to back-asswards rationalize your support for such a completely lame attemtpt - "Part of a larger picture" my hairy white ass!

Next it will be earth tones, right?

What it REALLY shows is that there is NOTHING else that is attackable, and that SOME supporters of other candidates are desperate to attack...

Kucinich's criticism of Dean about the retirement age question was MUCH better and more useful:

It allowed Kucinich to score points, it forced Dean on the defensive, Dean then retracted immediately and explained himself and his changed stance very well...

BOTH democrats won points in the exchange.

THIS "attack" is just stupid and lame.

[diamondsoul]

34. Number one, stupid nitpicking

and number two, who the hell cares? If Carville has a problem with Dean using it, he should put it in his contract and have Dean sign a waiver. Barring that, he probably should take it as a compliment.

I thought the line was hysterical and laughed my fool head off over it. I didn't much care who it originated with it just a plain damned good line.

With all of that said, it does seem Dr. Dean might need to be cautious about his chosen remarks. This is two lines he's supposedly used without giving proper credit to the originators, and if it continues, it MIGHT become an issue with some potential supporters. A rather silly issue if you ask me, but some take intellectual property extremely seriously.