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FatbackSlim Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:06 PM
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Why not LaRouche?
So I'm reading through Lyndon LaRouche's website, and the more I look, the more I realize that this guy isn't as 'out there' as the media would have us believe. Sure, he's a little weird, but certainly less so than Dennis Kucinich. He also claims to have raised more money than Kucinich, Moseley-Braun, Sharpton, and Graham.

How about a Kucinich/LaRouche ticket for 2004?

http://www.larouchepub.com/
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:08 PM
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1. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Nope no way. Might as well be James Trafficant and Gary Condit.

Kucinich is good, but Larouche is BAD NEWS
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:09 PM
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2. Why not? Because he's a crazy lunatic
fascist!
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:09 PM
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3. oh please
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 05:10 PM by ButterflyBlood
I like to joke about him, but he's an anti-Semetic, homophobic nutcase. You have to dig quite awhile in his site to find is tin foil hat stuff which isn't listed right on the site, for that reason, to get people to think he's reasonable. What do you think about these quotes?: http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/lhldefd.html

for that matter what do you think about his proposals that called for mandatory tatooing of children in California and quarantining of all AIDS patients?

Besides that, if he's so normal, why did he get denied delegates at the 2000 convention (and serve jail time for fraud?)
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FatbackSlim Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:16 PM
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Proposals
I must have missed the mandatory tattooing...that seems silly. As does quarantining AIDS patients, although we do need to start treating AIDS like the health crisis it is and start following transmission vectors. If you're diagnosed, you tell who all you've been sleeping with, and those people are notified to come in for testing. That's just good public health policy.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:19 PM
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9. he doesn't list his loony stuff on his site
so people who just look at it think he sounds reasonable. but it's very well documented how crazy he is.
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:19 PM
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22. And that's exactly what those of us in public health are doing,
unless politicians prevent us from doing otherwise. But while I don't want to downplay the seriousness of AIDS epidemic, the same number of people are killed every year in the US by gastrointestinal bleeding as a result of side-effects from NSAID medications, usually for arthritis and so forth. NSAIDS are Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatories, like aspirin, motrin, etc.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:11 PM
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4. I still think he's loopy
July 7 -- In response to a question at his July 2 webcast, Democratic Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon LaRouche "named the names" of leading members of the Synarchist banking crowd, which, he charged, is currently involved in a criminal conspiracy to bring down the world financial system, in what might be called a "Financial 9-1-1," and use the collapse to impose a dictatorship. Comparing this banking crowd to those who brought Hitler to power in 1933, LaRouche provided the following clues as to who is doing the equivalent today.

"Who are these people? Well, without going into who I suspect, which little interesting group I know is involved, I would simply say it's a banking group, a private financial banking group, which was involved in France in setting up of the Banque Worms operation, which gave us the Vichy government and those who invented Hitler, and those who were plotting the Nazi takeover of Europe during the 1940s. The same group, exactly the same group.

more...http://larouchein2004.net/pages/pressreleases/2003/030707synarchist.htm

:eyes:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:12 PM
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5. If Lyndon was good enough for Grampa Simpson...
...he's good enough for me!

Sarcasm dripping in this post.
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FatbackSlim Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:19 PM
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10. Conspiracies
Aren't these the types of conspiracies that need to be revealed? He'd certainly publish the links between the Bush family and the Nazis, don't you think?
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:23 PM
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12. The *ies are trying to destroy the U.S. financial system? (n/t)
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:14 PM
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6. He's a fucking nutcase crook that's why!
NO FUCKING WAY! GET OVER THAT!!
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FatbackSlim Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:18 PM
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8. All politicians are crooks
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:27 PM
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14. Have you read the other posts in this thread that you started?
Are you serious? None of the current Democratic candidates are convicted felons that I am aware of.

I think you are blowing smoke up our butts.
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FatbackSlim Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:29 PM
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15. Perhaps not felons...
But how would you describe Sharpton's involvement in the Tawana Brawley incident? And I recall some ethics issues when Moseley-Braun was in the Senate. I don't know enough about the other Democrats. Bush, of course, we all know about.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:32 PM
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16. That answers my question
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 06:08 PM by Booberdawg
You ARE serious about blowing smoke up my ass.:eyes:

on edit: Interesting Hobby noted in your profile - Agitation
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:43 PM
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17. I don't support Sharpton or Moseley-Braun
so reply to me now.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:56 PM
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20. Looks like he decided not to take this up any further
:shrug:
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FatbackSlim Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:17 PM
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21. Dinnertime
Sorry.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:22 PM
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23. Just a friendly tip...
don't post flamebait unless you're going to be on for a while.
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FatbackSlim Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:29 PM
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24. Cooking
The chicken cooked faster than I expected. Who knew?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:43 PM
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18. I don't support Sharpton or Moseley-Braun
so reply to me now.
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elcondor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:16 PM
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7. "A little weird" doesn't cover it
That's like saying Bush* isn't that bad of a president. LaRouche is an anti-Jewish homophobic nutcase. I like to echo Dean: "probably (read: should) be in jail."
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:20 PM
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11. Thsnking GOD right about now for CUT AND PASTE!
saves fatigue and carpal tunnel:

His is a self-declaration - but his views have never had anything to do with the national party, nor has he ever had any democratic voter following.

He is also convicted felon - I believe related to credit card fraud related to those duped into donating to his "campaigns."

Throughout the eighties (and beyond) he advocated for sending all AIDS and HIV patients to an Island for exile/permanent quarentine. He was so serious about this that he worked towards getting state level ballot initiatives to this effect - to create state laws to enforce quarentines.

To include him in debates would require including any person who is a self-declared candidate into the debates (sort of like the California recall election).

He has been "running" for president as a "self-declared" democrat since the 1970s. I first saw one of his paid tv ads in 1983. His organization has been considered a cult since long before then. He has never had a following beyond his bizzare cult group.

Why should the democratic party give legitmacy to a man whose views are at odds with the party, who is a convicted felon (who scammed/cheated donors to his "political campaign"), and who is so homophibic as to advocate seriously discriminatory legislation?

It would make a joke out of the democratic party primaries.

Or is that your desire - to legitamize the rightwing attempts on talk radio/tv - of marginalization of serious candidates by tying the party to an authoritarian/totalitarian convicted criminal?


Some La Rouche beliefs:

There, all over the planet, you find the ancient legends and accounts of "gods" from another world who interbred with humanity to create a hybrid network of bloodlines. The Old Testament, for example, talks about the "Sons of God" who interbred with the daughters of men to create the hybrid race, the Nefilim. Before it was translated into English, that passage read "the sons of the gods", plural. But the Bible accounts are only one of so many that describe the same theme.

...

The ancient accounts tell us that these hybrid bloodlines, the fusion of the genes of selected humans with those of the "gods", were put into the positions of ruling royal power, especially in the ancient Near and Middle East, in advanced cultures like Sumer, Babylon, and Egypt. But it happened elsewhere, also, as you will find, for example, in the amazing information provided on this site by the African Zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, and in the incredible Credo videos, Reptilian Agenda, parts one and two. He tells the same story from the black African tradition that I have uncovered elsewhere in the world.

...

These bloodlines later became the royal and aristocratic families of Europe and, thanks to the "Great" British Empire and the other European empires, they were exported to the Americas, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and right across into the Far East, where they connected with other reptilian hybrid bloodlines, like those, most obviously, in China, where the symbolism of the dragon is the very basis of their culture.

These reptilian-human hybrid lines became the political and economic rulers of these lands occupied by the European empires and they continue to rule these countries to this day. The United States of America has been home to hundreds of millions of people since 1776. What's more, these people came from an amazingly diverse genetic pool. And yet, wait for this, the 42 who have become Presidents of the United States are all related!!! Thirty-Three of them alone go back to Charlemagne, one of the most famous monarchs of what we call France. He just happens to be a major figure in the story of these bloodlines and their expansion out of Britain, France, Germany, and elsewhere.

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/temp/reptconn.html



I almost decided not to post this, as there are enough conspiracy theories floating around here as it is; but one more can't hurt, especially since it claims Bush is a reptile. A poke around some of his websites reveals that he, like some of our very own DUers, believes in the all-powerful Illuminati as well. Small world.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:24 PM
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13. The lunatic is on the grass ....
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:53 PM
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19. He's a convicted felon tax evader
who makes his living sucking dry his psycho followers no different than Rev. Moon
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:45 PM
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25. Old Star Wars LaRouche is a rightwing scumbag.
He started out on the left but found the right to be a better opportunity in the 1980s. But the neocons outflanked him, so the poor (actually, rich) sucker is trying to find another place in the sun. His wonderful addition to the debate was heard at the Baltimore Democratic debate, when his supporters heckled the Dem candidates -- remember Sharpton noting that they hadn't heckled at any other debate before the one sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus? Good for Sharpton!

Kucinich is a liberal Democrat. LaRouche is a nutcase.
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