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VaLabor Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:34 PM
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Clark Hiring "Masters of Disaster" - Tell him to keep it clean!
DISCLAIMER: I'm a Dean supporter that could go to Clark but having reservations about his experience level and his flipfloppiness on the war...

This from http://www.dailykos.com

Okay, Mark Fabiani is being quoted as a Clark "spokesman". Fabiani was Gore's deputy campaign manager for communications, so he'll probably reprise that role for Clark.

And remember Chris Lehane, who I called an asshole yesterday? Remember how I hoped he wouldn't end up on the Clark campaign, because he was such an asshole?

Well, Lehane and Fabiani are business partners. In fact, they are known as the "Masters of Disaster", specializing in public relations damage control. With campaigns, their MO is to create such disasters -- for their opponents, by tearing them down. They did it to Bradley on Gore's behalf. They worked for Gray Davis and Garry South (masters of sleaze themselves).

That's why Lehane quit the Kerry campaign -- because Kerry wasn't aggressive enough confronting Dean's rising star (though ironically, it was Lehane's early attacks against Dean that helped raise Dean's stature).

Now with his Fabiani near the top of Clark's organization, it shouldn't be long before Lehane is working right alongside him.

MORE...

Now, folks, let's make sure this stays clean. No personal attacks on candidates.

Send a letter to the Clark people making this clear. Here's a sample for Dean supporters leaning Clark:

I am excited about your entry into the campaign and am considering supporting you. I've been in Dean's camp for a few months. If you want my support, do not allow Fabiani (and Lehane if he joins your team) to engage in attacks meant to tear down other Democratic candidates personally or politically.

If your team attacks Dean or any other candidate the way they attacked Bradley, I'm switching back to Dean. If they play nice, I'm in your camp. Please understand and allow me to be very clear about this.

Keep your honor, keep your dignity and most of all... keep it clean.


Here's a sample for current Clark supporters:

I support you now and I am excited about your entry into the campaign. If you want my continued support, do not allow Fabiani (and Lehane if he joins your team) to engage in attacks meant to tear down other Democratic candidates personally or politically.

If your team attacks Dean or any other candidate the way they attacked Bradley, I'm switching back to Dean. If they play nice, I'm in your camp. Please understand and allow me to be very clear about this.

Keep your honor, keep your dignity and most of all... keep it clean.


You can send the letters here:


http://www.draftwesleyclark.com/send_a_letter.htm





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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:47 PM
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1. Very good stuff
Thanks for the observations, I also believe the squad
is far better put to use during the general, to turn the
energy towards W and his henchmen. I am also a Dean fan,
although Clark getting in elevates the debate, it focuses
on what a failure at foreign policy this admin is. Dean has
been a lone voice for the grassroots thus far, if Clark can
listen the way Dean does and articulate the message. Hey,
I kind of like having a choice.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:53 PM
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2. I hope they keep it "clean"
against Dems in primary and go after Bush every which way - including telling the truth, which would be construed as "dirty" by Repugs.

No matter who the nominee - we MUST NOT lose. The future of the USA and the world is at stake.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:04 PM
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3. I just sent the same letter to Dean's campaign manager
Hopefully, he'll tell Dean's supporters to do the same.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:13 PM
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4. That's nice and all.....
of you to infer guilt by association.

But the only negative political literature I received
this campaign has been from Dean (Trippi) where he bagged on
the other candidates for 2/3 of the pamphlet
and asked for money with the other 1/3.

Focus your efforts there and you will likely find
what you are looking for.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:40 PM
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5. I assume you can produce it?
I have recieved each and every email from the Dean campaign since April. Not one piece can be fairly described as you just did. Put up time.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 09:51 PM
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7. I threw it away....
because it was trash.

Can you honestly say you have never
received a piece of email or paper/article from Dean's
Campaign that bagged on other Democratic candidates?
Maybe you didn't receive what I did but
surely you can't be suggesting that Dean
has not made part of his success out of capping
on the others....

You challenged me, and I will be honest I can't
produce the pamphlet (not sure how would I get it to you
anyway?) so I suppose you win on that. Now it's your turn
to fess up unless you know for a fact Dean
has not sent literature/electronic correspondence
capping on other dems.

I am not capping on Dean here (frankly, there is a
little part of me that likes his 2 fisted style)but
I am so sick of Dean people asking Clark people to
"keep it clean" when Clark has only uttered praise for
other Democratic Candidates thus far.

:grr:

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 10:57 PM
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9. Maybe your forgot what you wrote
let me remind you. You stated the pamphlet was 2/3 bagging on other candidates and 1/3 asking for money. That is the contention I found to be ridiculous and stated that I have not recieved anything from him that would meet that description.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:18 PM
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11. Yeah, I know what you wrote
and the way you worded it was weasly.

I was calling you on it. Obviously, I caught
you because you are just weasling a little more.

"meet that description" is your little weasly
operative phrase. I am not stupid so don't think
you can pull that one off.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:30 PM
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13. This is what you wrote
But the only negative political literature I received
this campaign has been from Dean (Trippi) where he bagged on
the other candidates for 2/3 of the pamphlet
and asked for money with the other 1/3.

This was my answer.

I have recieved each and every email from the Dean campaign since April. Not one piece can be fairly described as you just did. Put up time.

Now just what is weasley about that. You chose to describe what your recieved a certain way. I called you on it. If you meant something else you should have typed something else. It isn't my fault that you said one thing and meant something else.

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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 06:31 AM
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15. "weasly little operative phrase"??
Are you for real?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:42 PM
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6. Every attack Gore made on Bradley was legit
Bradley was being baldly inaccurate about his health plan. Gore had the temerity to call him on it. How shameful.
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tboullett Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 10:54 PM
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8. The DraftClark2004 is full of shady people
Jason MacIntosh, self proclaimed leader of the DraftClark2004 group has quite a history for dirty tricks in Oklahoma. The treaurer for the DraftClark2004 group is also from Tulsa and is currently being investigated by the Oklahoma Democratic Party for possible delegate voter fraud.

I will work for Clark with many other Veterans, but he must clean house of these questionable people.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:17 PM
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10. I wrote to my contact
and received a prompt response that the matter was being looked into. I'll write again and send them the second name as well.

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Yeah, we know Tboullett
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 11:21 PM by familydoctor
Jason MacIntosh is the antichrist.
I thought you were on an anti-Clark campaign,
now you will support him on the condition he
removes MacIntosh?

:wtf:
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tboullett Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:42 PM
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14. Ask Jason about the $43,000.00
Jason had a big splash in Tulsa in fewmonths ago. He told the Tulsa World he raised $43,000.00 for the Tulsa Democratic Party. Only a few hundred reached the bank account of the Tulsa Democratic Party. He will not answer as to what happened to the resy of the $43,000.00

I will support Clark and work hard for him as a volunteer.

Say familydoctor, didn't you post that the DraftClark2004 group was 100% volunteer? That they weren't taking money, only pledges? Check out their FEC reports. They are taking money.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #14
19. No I didn't...
post that they weren't taking money.

Actually, I gave them money.

I am glad you will support Clark.
Let's bury the hatchet.

:toast:
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tboullett Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 08:35 AM
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21. Don't take my word for it,
Call the Oklahoma Democratic Party at 1-405-427-3366 and ask for Jay Parmley, the state chair.

Ask Jay about Jason. Ask jay about the special master he appointed to investigate the CD 1 problem. Ask him who was the chair of the credintial committee who is being investigated.

Call Gov. Waters and ask him about Jason MacIntosh.

We have a great chance to put a Nam Vet in the White House and I don't want these two (MacIntosh and Otey) to screw it up.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 06:33 AM
Response to Reply #12
16. OOOHHHHHH!!
That explains a lot.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 06:51 AM
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17. Sometimes it is not the content
of the message, but the style. I don't have a problem with candidates pointing out legitimate flaws in another candidates speech or position, but there has to be a way to do it that does not come off as an attack.

I know I am an Edwards supporter, but I think that's the difference between the way he says stuff and the way other candidates say things. Even when he commented on Dean's remarks about talking race to white audiences, he did not offer them unsolicited and I thought he moderated them well. I clearly got that he was denigrating Dean's comments and not Dean. Other people don't do that so well.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 06:57 AM
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18. So far, he's been too clean for his own good.
He's approached the race with so much of a sense of common purpose that his opponents have been able to spread the rumor that he's just running for vice president on their ticket.

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. Wow...
that's a great point.

So many of the big players and real Democrats
have said glowing things about Clark it amazes
how much negative propaganda there is on Democratic
Undergound about him. Shouldn't people realize
that if Clinton, Dean, Rangel, Moore, etc. say nice
things about Clark it might mean something?
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