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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 02:59 PM
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www.wafflepoweredhoward.com is funny
www.wafflepoweredhoward.com is a funny new site.

The pictures of waffles make me hungry..mmmmmm
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:02 PM
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1. Yeah, as funny as a tooth ache.
Grow up.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:07 PM
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3. I thought you deanpers had a sence of humor?
Maybe you should flash mob the website.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:10 PM
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6. I'm not a "deanper"...whatever that is....
Said Web site looks like an "F-word person" job. Pretty puerile, really.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:13 PM
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8. Well, I'm sure Dean supporters will be laughing heartily
at Al Franken's commentary this weekend in New York (where Franken is a guest at a Dean rally there).

Wish I could be there...I love Franken.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:16 PM
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10. Franken is coming to my town 10/24/03 Yay!
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:19 PM
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11. Lucky schmuck!
Man, I'd love to meet him.

I think I'm one of two or three people who actually liked Stuart Saves His Family.

I haven't read his new book yet...I'm looking forward to it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:49 PM
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16. Franken is doing gigs for ALL the Dem candidates.
.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:53 PM
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17. Yeah, isn't that great?
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:04 PM
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2. Good site
well done.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:08 PM
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4. Lame.
Seriously. The Iraq stance isn't even a waffle.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:09 PM
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5. Well, the first thing I checked out on it was disingenuous to me
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 03:10 PM by deutsey
(Dean's statement on unilateralism and Iraq was qualified by whether Iraq posed a direct threat to us; he says that no matter what the country is. However, he, like millions of us around the world, could see that Iraq didn't pose a direct threat to us and, therefore, unilateral, pre-emptive invasions were wrong)

so I'm not even going to bother with the rest.

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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:11 PM
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7. He also doesn't oppose NAFTA..
he just wants to change it.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 03:16 PM
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9. Lieberman on Kerry:…don't need a waffler in charge of our country's future
Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT): “I thought that John Kerry's statement in his announcement address -- that he voted for the resolution just to threaten Saddam Hussein -- was unbelievable. It was clearly an authorization for President Bush to use force against Saddam. … I don't get it. He's been criticizing Howard Dean for lacking experience to lead America in the world today. It's true. It's not the best time to put a rookie in charge of our country's future. It hasn't been a good time to have a cowboy in charge of our future, but we also don't need a waffler in charge of our country's future.” (Glen Johnson And Anne E. Kornblut, “Democrats Rip Bush In 8-Way Debate,” The Boston Globe, 9/5/03)
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/05/democrats_rip_bush_in_8_way_debate/


Though Kerry has insisted he's satisfied with his team, his less-than-firm denials of a shake-up have fueled rumors and created angst among his staff.

Early this month, as he formally began his campaign, Kerry told reporters he "reserved the right" to make changes and gave a mixed assessment of his staff's performance. Trying to quell talk of a staff purge, he issued a statement saying there would be "no changes."

The statement, drafted with Lehane's assistance, was meant to be the last word, but Kerry has backpedaled from it. "Those weren't precisely my words. They were the words of a press release sent out," Kerry told The Boston Globe in a story published Sunday.

Several campaign sources said Monday that Kerry signed off on the statement's language ruling out changes. It was unclear whether he saw the actual document.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/6778015.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=40579
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 04:56 PM
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12. DJ
I think you have to ask the admins' permission before you promote your own wares on this website.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:30 PM
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13. If that were true
then this guy, http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=337617#340258, would be long gone!


Just because it's anti-Dean doesn't mean it's against the rules.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:35 PM
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14. Nice info
I like the information the site provides, well laid out and simple. Funny? No. No real jokes there. I think this person just wasted money in registering that domain name. This could have been a tripod or geocities site.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:43 PM
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15. Jim Bob might link it for you
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:04 PM
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18. Not tasteless, (or overly humorous)
...but the site does raise many good points. So far I have yet to see Dean (or his Deanie-Weenies) answer any of these points...
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:48 PM
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19. Here are my answers to these points
Second, please quit the snide remarks, no name no slogan.

My answer:

Everything on the web page is a bunch of nit picks.

Terrorism:
Circumstances have changed. We're now at the point where Bush has invaded Iraq, and vetoed a UN bill to prevent Sharon from assassinating or exiling Arafat.

Iraq:

Out of context.

October 6, 2002:

Speaking at a fundraising dinner filled with activists wary about going to war again in the Persian Gulf again, Sens. John F. Kerry (Mass.) and John Edwards (N.C.), and Vermont Gov. Howard Dean highlight the spectrum of opinion within the Democratic Party as lawmakers in Washington prepare to vote on a resolution authorizing war.

Dean, whose advocacy of liberal domestic policies has struck a chord among grass-roots activists here, offered the sharpest dissent. He contended that Bush has yet to make a compelling case to justify going to war.

"The greatest fear I have about Iraq is not just that we will engage in unwise conduct and send our children to die without having an adequate explanation from the president of the United States," he said. "The greater fear I have is the president has never said what the truth is, which is if we go into Iraq we will be there for 10 years to build that democracy and the president must tell us that before we go."

http://www.dre-mfa.gov.ir/eng/iraq/iraqanalysis_27.html

Campaign Finance:
Circumstances changed, Bush announced he'd likely rase more than $200 million before the primary ends, matching funds limit is ~$45 million.

Death Penalty:
nit pick.

Social Security:
Dean: I have never ***favored*** …
On the MTP interview Dean said he favored raising the payroll tax cap. He never said he *favored* rasing the retirement age on the MTP interview, although he said he'd “entertain” it as an additional option. In both cases he ***favored*** raising the payroll tax cap. His position has changed from 8 years ago, though. He acknowledged this change from 8 years ago within a few hours of the debate.

June quote w/ context:

Dean: … And Social Security, I—the best way to balance Social Security budget right now, other than stop taking the money out for the tax cuts, is to expand the amount of money that Social Security payroll taxes apply to. It’s limited now to something like $80,000. You let that rise. I also would entertain taking the retirement age to 68. It’s at 67 now. I would entertain that.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/912159.asp

Dean Says He Misspoke on Social Security

WASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean said Wednesday that he misspoke when he told the AFL-CIO he never favored raising the retirement age for Social Security benefits to age 70.

Dean acknowledged that he had called for such an increase when the country was faced with a deficit in 1995, but said he no longer thinks it is necessary. He said former President Clinton set an example of balancing the budget without raising the retirement age.

During an appearance on NBC's “Meet the Press” in June, Dean said an increase to age 70 is no longer necessary, but he would entertain an increase to 68.

He said the way to balance the budget now is to repeal President Bush's tax cuts and restrict spending. He said to balance Social Security, he would consider raising the retirement age to 68 and letting more salary above $87,000 fall under the payroll tax.

On Wednesday, Dean said since his appearance on “Meet the Press,” he has consulted with experts and concluded that no increase in the retirement age would be necessary. A better solution, he said, would
be to raise the salary limit.

“I'm willing to take it off entirely if we need to,” he said.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-dean-social-security,0,2509226.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=54995&mesg_id=54995

When Dean notices he made a mistake, he has been correcting himself immediately. I am respecting that, alot.

I'm *very* impressed with this and his solution to balancing the budget, above.

I'm also impressed with the short list of Dean's misstatements that the AP is building at the bottom of all Dean apologies.

And I'm wondering where Bush's list is.

Cuba:
Circumstances changed. Castro cracked down on political dissent.

Trade:
Dean's position on NAFTA has changed form 8 years ago. Yup.

Environment:
Dean isn't an extremist, but he's very good on the envirionment.


One of these times occurs toward the end of April, in the brown-tweed-and-blond-wood conference room of an affluent Westside law firm that is hosting Dean at a sandwich lunch for the benefit of the California League of Conservation Voters. About 50 people are sitting around a horseshoe formation of long tables, and Dean stands in the central opening, shirtsleeves rolled up and arms crossed, a halogen spotlight making his forehead shiny, while he holds forth, answering questions cogently and effortlessly for close to an hour. He discusses emissions standards and ethanol and wind farms, and he offers up something that’s absolute catnip to anyone with an interest in how politics are actually done — the forthright, ligament-by-ligament anatomy of a deal, this one involving the recent preservation of Vermont’s Champion lands, an area of 133,000 acres; a “huge” piece, he says proudly, the largest land deal east of the Mississippi.

He and his team used the NRA, he says, to neutralize the most ardent property-rights Republicans in the legislature. They then went to the snowmobilers and explained that although there would be a wilderness area off-limits to them, there would be other areas they could utilize. They used that concession, he goes on, to get the snowmobilers’ help in supporting the exclusion of ATVs: “You can’t compromise with ATVers under any circumstances, they just do too much damage to the land . . .” In other words, Dean says, you assemble the broadest coalition possible and then parcel out something for everybody. “Now, it can’t be everybody, because there’s always those on the extreme edge of the right who want to clear-cut everything, that’s their idea of sustainable timbering . . .” But in general, he says, you work with all the stakeholders, and then if one element of the coalition starts to defect, if the snowmobilers, say, try to link up with the ATVers, which they sometimes threaten to do, “you put the leverage on. You say, ‘If it’s a choice between letting the ATVs in or keeping the snowmobile people out — sorry, we’ll see you later.’ And that brings the snowmobilers back to the table . . .”

Then, somewhere in the middle of this entirely pragmatic discussion, Dean pauses, and he puts his finger on a kind of abstract longing involving a belief that there exist two strands in American politics, the one preoccupied with self-interest and the other a genuine concern for fellow citizens, and a desire for these strands to combine. He says slowly and thoughtfully, “The biggest damage we’ve suffered in the last two years hasn’t been economic, and it hasn’t even been our loss of respect in the eyes of the world. The biggest loss we’ve sustained in this country has been our loss of community . . . It’s not enough for me just to have good schools for my kid, or good health care for my kid. It’s really important for us to provide these things for everybody. That’s been the premise of America. That’s what we have to get back again.”

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/41/features-wolf.php
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