Quit referring to Kerry as "JFK"

[KaraokeKarlton]

It's totally tacky, tasteless and a HUGE turnoff!

[AWD]

1. They HAVE to do it...

...somebody else had those initials first. That's the mark of the Kerry campaign....do things other people did first.

But you're right. It's tacky.

[meegbear]

2. Kinda like your deanpers bashing Clark ...

how unoriginal.

[CMT]

6. i'm afraid it is more than Dean people

who have done that.

[AWD]

10. Violation of DU rules

...you can't use cute, clever ways of calling people freepers.

But then, without attacking, you'd have about 3 or 4 posts here, so I'm sure it's hard.

[KC21304]

14. And your post #1, besides not making much sense,

was not attacking anyone ?

[clar]

12. you too

you're no paragon of courtesy either. Constantly bashing Dean supporters is also a passive/aggressive bash at the candidate. Deciding that all of Dean's supporters are mindless, low down, ignorant, or whatever is as offensive as what you claim to rail against. In other words, graceless.

[chimpymustgo]

4. Huh? Can't use the guys own initials?

Can we call Howard Brush Dean - HBD?

[MrPeepers]

65. Then

what's the mark of the Dean campaign? Perhaps being too busy holding a Bush-bashathon to do anything proactive? Surely no one has done that before. Dean's clearly not riding the wave of anti-Bush activism or anything like that. He sure has offered us a plethora of new, innovative ideas: Bush is bad. Also, Bush is bad. And don't forget, Bush is bad.


peepers

[wryter2000]

3. I have nothing against Kerry

But I wish you'd quit that, too. :grouphug:

[Caution]

5. Thank you!

I was going to post this earlier today. And I like Kerry!

[clar]

7. This is an

ad hominem attack on Kerry supporters, and by proxy of Kerry. First of all, those are his initials. If his supporters want to use them, fine. Second of all, it isn't used that much. Mostly his supporters refer to him as JK.

Dean supporters have a bad name here at DU. It's unfair, but posts as petty as this one give credence to the myth.

[KaraokeKarlton]

20. Has nothing to do with who I support or anything

I just think it's totally tasteless to refer to Kerry as "JFK" because that is what everyone uses to refer to John F. Kennedy. You hear "JFK" more than his actually name. If Kennedy hadn't been killed in office it wouldn't be a big deal. However, it honestly makes me want to puke everytime I see "JFK" used talking about Kerry. It's a HUGE turn off.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

30. "Has nothing to do with who I support or anything" - what total BULLSHIT

[KaraokeKarlton]

37. Is your name clar?

Didn't think so. Are you a psychic now...thinking you can read my mind and know what I was thinking when I made the post? All I can say is don't quit your day job...Miss Cleo you're not.

[Name removed]

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[KaraokeKarlton]

41. Then your "bullshit detector" is faulty too

This isn't about Dean. It's about John F. Kennedy and Kerry trying to capitalize on his record. If Dean's initials were the same and he was doing this I'd say the same thing. It is tacky, tasteless and offensive. I'm not talking about Kerry's record or anything else. I just think it is WRONG for him (or his supporters) to refer to him as "JFK". Have some goddamned respect for Kennedy's family. Again, Kerry doing this is TOTALLY tasteless.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

52. You think Kerry shouldn't be allowed to use his own name

and you have convinced yourself that it has nothing to do with your political opinions. No doubt you can convince yourself of anything.

However, there is a real world out there, one that is not determined by your delusions. In that world, people are allowed to call themselves by their own names, and don't need your permission to do so.

http://www.peaceandhealing.com/find_therapist.asp

[KaraokeKarlton]

56. Actually, using his initials in some lame attempt to make people think

he's the second coming of Kennedy is going to HURT him. But go right ahead and make him look even more like a pathetic loser who only cares about image. He's a decent candidate if he weren't being such a moron in this way. He's so damn busy trying to LOOK cool that he isn't sending out any kind of message other than "Look at me! I was in Vietnam! I ride a motorcycle! I am cooler than Bush on a big boat!" It pisses me off that he's making such DUMB mistakes because if he'd just smarten the hell up and act like he wanted the job of president instead of the status and image he might actually give people reason to support his lame ass.

And furthermore...posting your personal self-help bookmarks in the way that you are probably warrants a personal attack being conducted in a "cute, rule skirting" way.

[virtualobserver]

I tell ya' man, it is Shrum....

It reminds me of the Gore campaign.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

58. We get it, you don't think Kerry has a right to use his own name.

I guess he should have to call himself by some name you come up with.


I could say that you should have to use the name "self-righteous idiot" but it would just make me look stupid, no?


http://www.peaceandhealing.com/find_therapist.asp

[Cocoa]

8. confusing, maybe...

I don't think "JFK" is sacred, but if someone wrote that I would think they were talking about Kennedy.

btw, I haven't seen that yet, is it really a big problem?

[Mairead]

15. That's my sense too--it's mildly confusing without context

But only mildly, and he has every right to do it. They are his initials and he came by them honestly. He has every right to use them, and objecting to his doing it makes the objector look verrrry petty.

[Gman]

9. I can see where Deanie Boppers wouldn't like it

it is, however, a good way to draw remarkably accurate comparisons between Kerry and JFK..

[AWD]

11. That'd be the only distinction

The REAL JFK would have fought against going into Iraq....unlike Kerry.

When we came close to WWIII with the Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy SHOWED us the photos, kept us updated with TRUTH, and yet we STILL didn't go to war over it.

[Mairead]

16. Hey, I was an adult at that time and I can tell you that's not so.

The original JFK was a fairly serious warmonger.

[AWD]

19. I edited my post

....to properly express how I feel. I don't think Kennedy would have gone into Iraq. The Cuban Missile Crisis is my point of reference.

I should have been more direct and to-the-point.

[Mairead]

29. I won't edit mine because it still holds -- he was a warmonger!

And I don't know whether I agree that he wouldn't have gone into Iraq.

For one thing, Cuba isn't and wasn't Iraq and he was still stinging politically from the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

For another, Cuba wasn't even Cuba in the context of the missile crisis, it was a proxy for the USSR. So going into Cuba in '62 might--and probably would--have meant WW3, something not true of going into Iraq in '03. Unlike Hussein, Khrushchev very definitely had WMDs and intercontinental delivery systems under his hand.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

35. No parallel between Iraq and Cuban Missile Crisis - at all.

That said, JFK was no peacenik. Would Vietnam have unfolded differently with JFK as Prez instead of LBJ? We'll never know, I guess.

[renie408]

34. When did you start channeling THE JFK???

[Demobrat]

13. Shoot, I didn't even get it.

Let his supporters use his initials if they want. At this point, they pretty much have to grasp at any straw going.

[Mairead]

17. And here's another content-free bash

[bluesoul]

18. Don't forget what we are fighting for!

Instead of working together to BEAT Bush and shove him out of the White House this is what one gets. Come on people you can do better then this name calling. There is a common goal we all want, NO republican as president. Let's do our best to make it happen 2004. Otherwise this will all be meaningless. Do we want 4 MORE years of this republican crap? I HOPE not...

[Demobrat]

28. Oh, don't worry, if he gets the nomination I'll vote for him.

I'm not too worried about it though.

[Demobrat]

33. Wasn't a bash.

Just an observation.

[genius]

21. What's Kerry's middle name? He's got the J and the K.

I think Kucinich better embodies the principles of the former JFK. But Kerry is entitled to use his initials.

[KC21304]

22. Forbes n/t

[KaraokeKarlton]

23. But he wouldn't use them if they weren't made famous

by Kennedy. You know it and I know it. He's trying to gain support by using a dead man. It's tacky as hell.

edited for a typo

[chimpymustgo]

24. Get a life.

This is up there with the pettiest threads of all time.

[KaraokeKarlton]

27. I don't think so

Kennedy was a GREAT man and I feel his memory is being disrespected and I find it offensive. It has nothing to do with the election at all.

[KC21304]

25. You are just being silly. You know it and I know it, as you say.

[WyLoochka]

44. Initials cannot be

protected by copyright. Millions and millions and millions of people use their real bona fide initials and they have the right to do so. This right extends to John Forbes Kerry. This thread is sick.

[BeatleBoot]

26. Love ya' ...but no.

All the way with JFK!

[DrFunkenstein]

31. Quit Referring To Dean As A Straight Shooter

Or credible.

;)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

32. Kerry's initials are JFK, in case you didn't notice.

lol

[TheDonkey]

36. kerry is such and asshole, he should change his middle name... jerk

sheesh, some people would go to any legnth to bash Kerry.

It's his initials!?! Get over it. I understand if it causes you confusion but say, hey I get confused when people say JFK... I think of Kennedy. Not that it is tastless to use the guys initials!?!

[KaraokeKarlton]

38. The point is this

He wouldn't use the initials instead of his name if everyone didn't think of Kennedy when they hear "JFK". If there were no Kennedy Kerry would go by "Kerry" because if he used "JFK" no one would know who in the hell he was. Using the initials is a pathetically cheesy attempt to get people to like him JUST because he has the same initials as Kennedy. In case you hadn't noticed there were others who were bothered by this as well. It has NOTHING to do with the election it's more about symbolic identity theft and it's not only offensive but lame.

[Octafish]

39. JFK was from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party

Liberal Democrat. Believed in service to the country. Knew the difference between the New Deal and the New Frontier. Do you? Do those who bash Kerry 24/7? I doubt it.

So what if JFK's supporters want to use his initials? John F. Kerry KNEW John F. Kennedy!



Kerry, left, sails with President John F. Kennedy
aboard the 62-foot Coast Guard yawl Manitou
in Narragansett Bay on Aug. 26, 1962.

[Cocoa]

47. was he?

as a matter of history, wasn't Kennedy actually at odds with the liberal wing of the party?

Wouldn't a dem like Adlai Stevenson be the Wellstone equivalent of those days, rather than the Establishment's JFK?

[Octafish]

48. You are absolutely correct, Cocoa!

Compared to Stevenson, Kennedy's Congressional philosophy was in tune with the moderate part of the political spectrum of his day. The thing is, once in office, Kennedy continued the progress of FDR's New Deal and Truman's Fair Deal, the programs which today form the backbone of modern American Liberalism — the belief that the US Government works to make life better for ALL Americans. Kennedy added many important components to this philosophy in the New Frontier, including the use of modern technology for the peaceful exploration of outer space, instead of war. In other areas, Kennedy pushed for progress, from integrating the FBI and Secret Service to creating the Peace Corps as a vehicle for social progress around the world.

[Mairead]

43. And if you were are Kerry fan you'd think it fine

So please don't try to pretend you're being high-minded about it. Your objection is based on your personal partisanship, nothing more.

[KaraokeKarlton]

46. No, I wouldn't

To me, Kerry trying to capitalize on Kennedy's memory is no better than Bush trying to capitalize on the memory of those lost on 9/11. This kind of behavior is harmful to those left behind...the surviving family members. It's just wrong. I also have said that if Dean had those initials and were doing this I'd react the SAME way.

[JeniB]

49. And yet...

Kennedy's surviving family members are supporting Kerry! I guess they really don't mind after all!

[KaraokeKarlton]

50. Ted isn't the whole family. Jackie is probably rolling over in her grave.

It's disrespectful, callous and wrong.

[JeniB]

51. But you said "surviving" family members.

And I believe RFK, Jr. just signed on to the campaign also.

[KaraokeKarlton]

59. What about Caroline?

Doesn't she have children? It's tacky, tacky, tacky and just plain WRONG! It's not just me who sees it this way, you know. There were a couple of people on this thread who agreed that it's wrong. And there have been some on a couple of other threads with the same reaction. It DOES turn off some who like Kerry. Personally, I have no problem with how he USED to be, but lately he's been a sell out big time, and he's running a horrible campaign because of dumb stunts like this one and others. Some of his supporters here certainly don't help him any. This is one of the ways they hurt his campaign. In fact, I tend to doubt that it's Kerry himself who refers to himself this way. Perhaps he has enough sense to know just how tasteless and tacky it is.

[hippywife]

64. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! n/t

[IIgnoreNobody]

67. John Kerry Admits He is Trying Desperately to Copy John F. Kennedy

http://www.bongonews.com/layout4.jsp?event=508

[deutsey]

42. Well, these are his initials

I don't think the Kennedys have a trademark on them.

[sujan]

45. call him the waffle man

[Feanorcurufinwe]

53. A new JFK for the White House?

Appearance: Tall, with steely features and cold demeanour
Newsworthiness: One of the front runners to become the Democratic candidate who will challenge US President George W Bush for control of the White House in the US elections next year
A1962 photograph of John Forbes Kerry and John Fitzgerald Kennedy sailing off Rhode Island illustrated a recent article about Kerry in the Boston Globe.

The charismatic, youthful president and young presidential hopeful captured in the same shot; it's a powerful image and one that is sure to be reproduced over the next 16 months by Kerry's supporters as the Massachusetts senator tries to win

the Democratic presidential nomination.

If he secures the nomination, Kerry will then try to emulate his idol, JFK, by beating George W Bush to become the 44th US president in November next year.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=5&q=http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2003/07/20/story126751146.asp&e=1102&mr=96,_00F7!15!b_D:ph129

[Feanorcurufinwe]

54. Quit referring to the former governor of Vermont as "Dean".

He was never dean of anything, I don't think he's ever even been a member of a faculty. It's totally tacky, tasteless and a HUGE turnoff!

lol

[virtualobserver]

55. Dean,Dean,Dean,Dean,Dean....

it does get tiresome when you hear it over and over again.

[DrFunkenstein]

57. Check Out This Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=108&topic_id=43467&mesg_id=43467

[virtualobserver]

60. funny....

it reminds me of my career.

[genius]

61. It's the height of arrogance to deny a man the use of his initials.

Kerry has as much right to call himself JFK as Dean does to call himself a Democrat.

[DJcairo]

62. Can I refer to Dean as Howard Dean III?

[killbotfactory]

63. How about "G.I. JFK"?

[JohnKleeb]

70. GI?

Both JFK's and I hope I dont get hell for calling Kerry JFK :) but Kerry was a Navy man like Kennedy in fact with the exception of Ted and Joe the Kennedy brothers were in the Navy. Little known fact my favorite Kennedy, Bobby was in the navy, well it was to me. BTW would it bother you if I compared Kucinich to my dad because they have the same exact intials DJK.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

72. " How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

"Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doen'st have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say they we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
--John Kerry April 22, 1972
http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html


"You don't make a decision about protecting your own troops and winning your objectives based on false pride... Half the names on the Vietnam Wall date from the time that that type of pride began to cloud the decisions in Vietnam. I refuse to believe that the morale and safety of the troops is helped by inserting hubris in this process now."
--John Kerry July 21, 2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/21/kerry.iraq/

[JohnKleeb]

74. how do you

He is a good guy, really stuns me after all the good he has done people are judgemental about IWR. I bet these people would want Clinton back as pres which would be ok but he supported IWR I think. Kerry aint so bad I am sick of hearing that and damnit guys I am a Kucinich supporter, whatever.

[DemBones DemBones]

66. Quit saying "The Doctor Is In."

It's totally tacky, CUTESY, and a HUGE turn-off!

Lots of us have had one too many encounters with arrogant and/ or incompetent physicians to be swayed to vote for someone just because he got through med school.

On the other hand, Howard does, in fact, have an M.D. If some people are turned off by emphasis on his having once practiced medicine, so be it. And Kerry's initials do, in fact, happen to be JFK. If the Kerry campaign uses the initials and some people are turned off by that, so be it.

Some people would bitch if you hanged 'em with a new rope. :shrug:

[Padraig18]

68. I give this thread the DU "Princess and the Pea" award!

I've never seen a bigger tempest in a teapot than this, and I've seen some pretty ridiculous squabbles here. :puke:

[JohnKleeb]

69. mind if I join you in puking

:puke: I try to understand but there are a lot worse things than this.

[Padraig18]

71. Your porcelain god, or mine?

Wanna go some place and piss, moan and whine about how the other candidates are bashing 'my' candidate? I'll buy the 1st round? :P

[JohnKleeb]

73. nah not in the mood