Shame On The Kerry Campaign

[clar]

Just visited the Kerry blog where there is a truly tacky post. Actually, it's so divisive it's worse than tacky. There's even a link to djcairo's waffle powered howard site.


Here's some of it:

Waffle Powered BU Breakfast!

Over 75 Boston area students welcomed Governor Dean (not Kerry - he was in New Hampshire getting Jeanne Shaheen's endorsement! Talk about a great day!) to Boston this morning with a Waffle Breakfast at Cottonwood Cafe. Here is the report from BU Students from Kerry President Samantha:
What a turnout! In 24 hours Boston based students turned out over 75 college students to remind everyone that Boston is Kerry Country!

< snip >

In defense of Kerry supporters, it should be noted that several posted objections to the thread.

[DJcairo]

1. Dean has put up plenty of things on his blog condemning the other campaign

And this was primarily about a group of student Kerry supporters and what they did to show their support for their man. Leave them alone.

[clar]

3. Oh, please

Even Kerry supporters are posting their disgust with this type of juvenile stuff. And if Dean's campaign has ever posted anything like this, give me a link. I sure haven't seen it. If they have, I'll gladly condemn it.

[Name removed]

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[arcos]

91. all of the above... n/t

[meegbear]

2. Take a deep breath and let go ....

feel better? Good.

[newsguyatl]

94. another mature post

:eyes:

[deutsey]

4. That's the rough-and-tumble of politics

It's kind of silly and juvenile, but what are you going to do? (My suggestion, go to the Dean blog...some pretty exciting stuff going on there lately).

[Cha]

9. Thanks for the suggestion!

I found this on the blog...

"Cambridge, Mass., City Councilor Ken Reeves. Reeves, who was mayor of Cambridge from 1992 to 1995, was the first African-American mayor in Massachusetts and the first openly gay African-American to lead a city in the United States.

“I absolutely am excited to support a candidate for president for whom being black or gay is a non-issue,” Reeves said. “Howard Dean’s vision of inclusion will put our country back on the right track. Dean’s message is the best chance of beating President Bush.”

We Got Ken Reeves! Yes Sir! :kick:

[arcos]

92. oh, but Dean has NO minority support whatsoever!!!

:eyes:

[blm]

5. This is worse than 8 months of being called "Bushlite"

by Dean and his supporters? How about the heckling of Kerry at campaign events with shouts of "No Bushlite." Or what about Dean supporters going to Kerry events with cases of Busch Lite beer? You find 8 months of that within bounds and shameless?

[Egnever]

20. did dean post this on his blog?

therein is the difference never in all of my time watching dean has he ever called on or encouraged suporters to do anything like that.

The closest thing to something like that being posted on the dean blog was the kasey thing. They certainly werent encourging people to train thier dogs to play dead in front of kerry though.

Deans suporters do what they will. Kerrys will do the same. Posting a yahoo post about such behavior and encouraging it is a whole different animal.

[blm]

30. Dean not responsible for calling other Dems "Bushlite"

and his supporters parroting his charges? Sure, that sells.

[LuminousX]

37. Kerry is Bushlite

I encourage the continued use of that phrase. Not because it is appropriate but because it seems to have shocked the Democratic nominees out of their stupor and made them realize they were racing to the right.

[blm]

50. That's not true.

Dean is a centrist who helped push the Democratic party further to the right while a member of the DLC. Kerry, even as a DLC member MAINTAINED his left positions while guys like Dean were pulling rightward.

Dean's positions were more Federalist than any of the other candidates, deferring to state's rights on any controversial issue.

Of course, you are welcome to believe his newfound populist rhetoric that is driving his campaign. Some people prefer the "coarseness" from the left to counter the "coarseness" of the right. I want the candidate who sounds like a president should and has longheld positions and beliefs in populist issues.

[LuminousX]

63. You never asked

if I thought Dean was more liberal than Kerry. I don't. But I like the term Bushlite. It wasn't until 'Bushlite' started getting bandied about did we start to hear about our candidates more progressive liberal agendas.

So, Bushlite 'em all, the results are good.

[blm]

65. If you prefer coarsened rhetoric over real policies.

OK for some, I guess.

[LuminousX]

68. Whatever works

I'm a pragmatist.

[sfecap]

6. It just smells like desperation, doesn't it?

The last gasps of a dying campaign.

[blm]

14. Wishful thinking on your part.

The firefighters will be hitting the streets and campaigning for Kerry. Their word goes a long way and they can dispel some of the notions that people have about Dean from their point of view.

Seems Dean wouldn't meet with them even AFTER 9-11 to discuss their role as first responders. Dean is like Bush in that he won't meet with those who harbor differening opinions.

[sfecap]

16. Oooohhhh....the firefighters!

Thats the ticket.

All the others ought to pack it in now....Kerry has the firefighters.

Wasn't it the firefighter vote that has tipped all of last few Presidential elections?

[renie408]

25. In all fairness

while that was funny, in past elections, firefighters did not have quite the eclat they have now with the average guy. I would think that the firefighter vote would not be nearly as important as the firefighter support in a campaign.

[babzilla]

19. he did meet with them EVEN AFTER 9-11

He accepted the fact that they weren't going to endorse him and made the decision that he wouldn't waste any more time on trying to convince them.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. EVERYTHING CHANGED AFTER 9-11!

Even Dean's pursuit of the all important NH Firefighters.

[Cha]

27. So Dean Did meet with "Firefighters" after 9/11?

That's all just more Bullshit?

[blm]

33. Baloney. As Vermont governor, Dean wouldn't meet with the firefighters

union or ever help them with legislation during his tenure. The Vermont firefighters sent a letter that hammered Dean on this and the NH firefighters printed it in their newsletter.

The IAFF were some of Gore's staunchest campaigners. Mock them if it makes you happy, but they are great campaigners once they decide who will get their endorsement.

[dsc]

47. as shown below either you are wrong or the firefighters are

since, as usual, you provided no link I have no idea which. Unlike you the other person has their source which shows he did meet with the firefighter's union.

[blm]

52. He met recently with the IAFF as part of their endorsement

process. I said as GOVERNOR of Vermont he refused to meet with firefighters on legislation important to them, even after 9-11.

btw, dsc....this article was posted and linked here and discussed a few times. Guess you just "forgot" about it in an effort to blame me once again.

http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/news/politics2003/0915_deanfirefighters_2003.shtml

Dean in hot water with firefighters


Union steamed over meeting brush-offs

Monday, September 15, 2003

By DANA MILBANK
The Washington Post
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Red-hot Democratic presidential aspirant Howard Dean is about to get some cold water thrown on his candidacy.

Sparks are flying between the former Vermont governor and a crucial group in the New Hampshire primaries, the Professional Fire Fighters of New Hampshire labor union. The group's fiercely active 1,200 members and their highly visible mode of transportation were instrumental in Al Gore's defeat of Bill Bradley in the New Hampshire primary in 2000. This time, Dean is in the hot seat.

It began when the Professional Fire Fighters of Vermont sent a letter in June to their brethren in New Hampshire warning that Dean "failed to ever put the weight of the governor's office behind any piece of legislation firefighters introduced." The Union Leader got hold of the letter and produced a statement from Dean's campaign outlining his strong stance against . . . sparklers. "It's fair to call him a national advocate against sparklers," the statement said.

The firefighters were not impressed by Dean's opposition to party novelties. "We think he should be focused on first responders, not pyrotechnics," said New Hampshire union President David Lang, noting that the group is agnostic on sparklers.

Dean has twice blown off meetings proposed by the firefighters and hasn't been in touch with them since the last meeting was canceled on Aug. 22. The firefighters are steamed. "I'm glad New Hampshire's firefighters have a better response time," Lang said.

>>>>>

[babzilla]

34. Doh, sorry , he met with the head of the Firefighters parent union

But it may be too late. At the firefighters' parent union, the International Association of Fire Fighters in Washington, General President Harold A. Schaitberger said the IAFF is getting ready to endorse a presidential candidate at an executive board meeting at the end of the month. Schaitberger, who has met with all the major candidates, won't say who it will be, but people who have been following the endorsement sweepstakes say Dean will be hosed. Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) is said to be the heavy favorite for the endorsement, which would be his first from an AFL-CIO union.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7016-2003Sep13.html

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. His first?

Doesn't sound so awe-inspiring in that context.

[ModerateMiddle]

113. the other way to say it is

that this is the ONLY union endorsement given so far to ANY candidate other than Gephardt.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

114. Or, Geppy has 14 and Kerry has 1.

Word on the street is that Dean is about to pick up the International Service Workers Union endorsement. Make of it what you will.

[blm]

61. No questioning of WHY?

That's not important to the Deanut Gallery? Whatever answer Dean gives will always suffice? He was RELUCTANT to meet with them for a reason, don't ya' think?

[babzilla]

67. because he didn't want to waste his time?

as far as I can tell none of the firefighters unions have given an endorsement yet, even though it was reported 9 days ago that the endorsement for Kerry was forthcoming. If and when they do endorse Kerry I'm sure they will have good reasons for it.

My point is that Dean gave his pitch, apparently didn't get a good response and decided to concentrate his efforts on other union endorsements.

[blm]

75. Couldn't be because he let down the firefighters in Vt.?

Because he KNEW they knew the truth about the way he stiffarmed them and their union while he was governor?

[babzilla]

81. Did he? Too bad he signed it after they did all the work.

Firefighters question Dean's support when he was governor of Vermont. The union's summer newsletter features a letter from Steven Locke, president of the Vermont firefighters' union, which raps Dean.

"I would like to tell you that Governor Dean was a friend to the firefighters and public safety in general, however that would not be a true statement," Locke wrote. "In fact, the only positive statement that I can make about our former governor is that he signed our Survivors Benefits bill once we had done all the work to ensure its passage."

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0809.html

[blm]

82. Exactly...that's how Dean operates.

He let others take the real risks and initiative on the issue, offering NOTHING on his own. Kinda like the way he let Kucinich carry the water with his authentic antiwar position, while Dean mouthed some hot rhetoric and took in the media attention and the antiwar $$$$$.

[babzilla]

84. the way Dean operates

seems to actually accomplish good things.
Red hot rhetoric only gets you so far, Dean excels in negotiating with the hands that are dealt to him.

[blm]

85. And yet there is so much contempt for those

when they have been put in the position of compromising for the best available answer. Go figure.

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[blm]

93. How can you deny that Dean

gets praised as a pragmatist for his compromises by the same people here who call other Dems faced with compromise, DINOs or Bushlite?

btw...guess you never bothered to read both Kerry's foreign policy speech, then Dean's. Or Kerry's environmental speech, then Dean's. If you had bothered to read them and compare them fairly and thoroughly, you'd get off your copycat accusations right quick.

[babzilla]

90. Here's what I figure

you have to pick your battles for sure, some are worth compromising on, some aren't.

When you are in the executive branch you let the parties involved make their stands, use the bully pulpit to sway the legislation and sign the bill or not when it comes to your desk.

Those in the legislative branch make a stand by building a coalition within their party to vote against the contemptuous powers that be.

Go figure.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

26. Kerry only announced a few weeks ago.

IA caucuses - January 19th
NH primary - January 27th
http://www.politics1.com/calendar.htm

It seems things aren't really over yet, despite your wishes --
maybe you'd prefer we didn't have to have those pesky elections, however, that's what will decide the nominee.

lol

[AWD]

39. It sure does...

....poor little Kerry found himself struggling to stay out of 4th place, so it's time to attack.

Give up John-John Jr. Your campaign failed, and you just got embarrassed in your HOME STATE.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. clar,

instead of focusing on that, focus on the fact that Dean just drew 4-5000 in Kerry's backyard. Larger than his announcement crowd in his home state. That is stunning!


(I notice that the waffle image was one I posted here a couple of weeks ago. It's a form of projection. And flattery. There's bigger fish to fry than Kerry at this moment in time.)

[Nicholas_J]

8. Id like to get the number

Of the out of state Dean supporters weho attended this one, as they do virtually all Dean events. Sort of like the hundreds for came from all over Tennessee to give Dean a win in a straw poll there.

Dean is great at creating illusions.

[deutsey]

11. ?

What are you talking about? :shrug:

[w4rma]

12. unfounded accusations

btw, there are reports from DUers who were actually there. Papau was there, why don't you ask him?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. Sorry, that poster is on ignore.

I can imagine the filth that is being spewed, though. If it's what I think it is...pictures will be forthcoming.

(a little bird whispers in my ear)

Ah, shipping in supporters. Now that shows commitment on a weekday morning! Maybe, just maybe, Bostonians want to see and hear a different message. :shrug:

[clar]

17. Rummy,

You're right. I actually regret posting this. By doing so I became part of the cycle of division I decried. I apologize to one and all for doing so. Even you, dj.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

21. No apology necessary.

You're just posting your feelings, like everyone else. No contrition needed. This is the primaries! It's intense. Enjoy it! It'll all return to normal in March when the Dem party gets behind the nominee that is going to kick Chimp's ass back to Texas, or Maine, or wherever the hell he comes from. As long as you stay involved, there is nothing to be ashamed of. It's the highest form of citizenship.

[sfecap]

10. Wow! 75 students!

I'm very impressed....

[quinnox]

13. Funny

I guess the humor is not apparent if it's your guy being made fun of.

[clar]

23. You miss the point

I have no problem with people making fun of Dean. It just shouldn't be done on another candidate's official blog. It further divides people to do so.

[quinnox]

28. Nope

It does nothing of the sort, and is appropriate. This is a political race, not a love fest.

[renie408]

18. Question

Can they edit out stuff like that? And how frequently do you think a moderater is going over stuff? I mean, could it have just been missed and left on accidently?

[clar]

29. This was a thread posted

on the blog by staffers.

[renie408]

32. Oh.

Well, that was not too classy, eh?

[Demobrat]

22. Who cares what they do?

We have a country to take back.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

31. Abso-damn-lutely!

[AWD]

36. You expected better???

Take a look around...the Kerry-Derrieres are nothing but attack dogs.

they have no message, so they attack.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

38. We have a message

you're just not listening (mr. ignore)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

42. We listen every day.

We just differ on whether we like what we're hearing or not. No big whoop.

[Name removed]

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[NewYorkerfromMass]

45. AWD seems to have put me on "ignore"

I would think if he is running for congress he should learn to listen to ALL points of view. If by some minor miracle he is elected, he will have to listen to all of his constituents, even the ones he disagrees with.
Perhaps you can relay this message to him. Oh and tell him I wish him good luck.

[renie408]

46. I would think

that if he is going to run for anything, he would avoid posts like "Are they barking again, woof woof, uncle Karl must be proud of them." And I do not even know what that means.

[AWD]

48. Au contraire

I refuse to allow people from my own party to attack in such manners. I will fight back. the new Democratic Party will be made up of fighters, not people who allow such attacks to stand, especially ones coming from within.

I will campaign proudly as a fighter, not allowing anybody to sic their attack dogs as such. that includes you, your cohort in the Edwards campaign who calls for uniting against Democrats, and any of the Kerry supporters who constantly post attacks on fellow Democrats.

I will stand and fight and not sit back and take it anymore. Anybody who has ever known me knows that I do not sit down for that.

My reputation is built on standing up for what I believe in. I wouldn't take it when Bush attacked us, and I certainly won't take it when you do it.

[renie408]

49. What in the HELL are you talking about?

Attack all you want, but try doing it maturely. That is all I was commenting on. I had no clue even to what you were referring, I was commenting on the...uh...quality of your post. I don't give a flying donkey shit WHO you attack, I just think that if you are going to run for office, you need to start working on lucidity. And who is my 'cohort' in the Edwards campaign? God, I need all the cohorts I can get, can you point them out??

[AWD]

53. "Cohort" is a strong word

"Fellow Edwards Supporter" might be a better description.

Ask around. They'll show you who the disruptor in North Carolina clothes is.

[renie408]

58. Ok, I am not trying to be a retard here

but the only person I see you arguing with here is NewYorkerfromMass, who doesn't really appear to be in North Carolinian clothes. I have to go back and see if they are a disruptor, though.

edited to add: I think I wandered into something. I am not sure who you have it out for and I don't want to know. I picked up on the thread, saw your 'woof woof' comment, didn't think it sounded like something a congressman would say and said so, that's about it for my involvement in this particular conspiracy.

[AWD]

59. OK, I see...

...frankly, I'm not arguing with anybody here. But since you mentioned their screen name, I can tell you that NewYorkerFromMass is on my ignore list, and is shouting at the wind.

With my "cohort" comment (later retracted), I am referring to an Edwards supporter who yesterday called on all other Dems to "stifle Dean". His thread was locked by Skinner.

On your worst day, you could never be the intentional disruptor that this person tries to be.

on edit - I did get a nice laugh out of your referring to this as conspiracy. A good laugh, not a mocking one.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

108. Yep. I'm shouting at wind alright...

a very unpleasant one at that.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

51. Why be afraid to be yourself?

That, my friends, is politics as usual. It's time to move on to REAL Democracy. REAL candidates. REAL feelings.

That's why I support Jeff Seemann for Congress.








(That'll be $42.50, per our agreement, AWD.)

[AWD]

54. We agreed on 39.99

Are you trying to raise my rates again???

Thanks

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

55. I thought Dean was the "tightwad!"

[AWD]

56. I told you....

....he gave me advice, didn't he???

[AWD]

57. On edit....

....you did spell my name right. 42.50 is on it's way.

[blm]

60. AWD, you seem to do alot of Kerry attacking.

Are you going to attack him in Ohio during your OWN campaigning?

Are you going to tell him you refuse to appear with him since he is everything you hate in a Democratic lawmaker?

[Name removed]

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[blm]

64. Dean had months ahead of Kerry in the attack department.

But, that type of coarseness is acceptable to you.

Your thread attacking Kerry as McSenator sure sounded like someone who was mocking a lawmaker they despised.

[AWD]

66. "sure sounded like"???

...as in "that vote in favor of the War in Iraq 'sure sounded like' a blank check for Bush"???

[blm]

77. So, YOU wouldn't have negotiated

to prevent Bush from getting the blank check that he wanted to avoid the UN completely and attack Iran and Syria after Baghdad?

Then why run for office if you plan NEVER to negotiate for the better deal if you can?

[AWD]

80. You see....

...when you negotiate, you're not supposed to give the other side what they wanted.

That's called "caving".

When you negotiate for peace, your main goal should not be to allow war.

[blm]

83. More often than not you compromise...

A staple solution for Dean when he governed for 11 years.


>>>>>>
But on this point Dean's position has evolved too. In that same Face the Nation interview, when asked whether there were conditions under which he might favor war, Dean said ...

My question is not that we may not have to go into Iraq. We may very well have to go into Iraq. What is the rush? Why can't we take the time to get our allies on board? Why do we have to do everything in a unilateral way?

...

My problem is not whether we're going to end up in Iraq or not. Saddam Hussein appears to be doing everything he can to make sure we do go into Iraq. My problem is, it is important to bring in our allies.


Now, my point is not to say that Dean was some sort of war-hawk. Clearly, he was no friend of the president's policy. But then neither was John Kerry, and certainly not Wes Clark. So let's drop this idea that support for war under some circumstances and not others is some sort of waffling or dodge. Because if it is, then Dean isn't in the clear either.

[AWD]

87. Gee, and all this time...

.....I was under the impression that if you're no friend to the president's policy, you should vote AGAINST it.

Silly me. I was living in the real world.

[blm]

98. You vote against it UNLESS you are charged

with getting the better deal, no matter what it takes, especially when it's as important as the prevention of further invasions on other countries and preserving the UN as an international institution.

[AWD]

100. Boy..

...good thing that compromise plan worked out, huh?

Gee, imagine if Bush had been able to get the war he wanted!

Oh, wait...he did. Thanks, John-John Jr.

[blm]

105. Oh, did we bomb Iran and Syria?

Bush WASN'T stuck showing hyped up evidence at the UN?

Why revise history just to suit your agenda?

btw, AWD...I think there are some Ohio firefighters who peruse the threads at DU. You might care about that at some point.

[AWD]

40. This is what happens when your state gets taken away from you

Beantown is now DEANtown!

Bye bye John-John Jr.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

41. yep, he's got me on ignore! nt

[DrFunkenstein]

69. You Dean-O's Are Like Little Gremlins When I'm Away

Did it escape all of you that the Dean campaign started the whole "Deantown" BS? Just another way of stepping on other candidate's toes, as he has since the beginning. Seriously, which candidate hasn't Dean gone after? Name me one, and I'll tell you what he said about them.

Deanites that whine at the slightest tap to their candidate seem to forget that Dean went walking around before the New Mexico primary with a guy next to hm with a Kerry=Bush sign. And now these mealy-mouthed hypocrites have the balls to complain about something on Kerry's blog? Get the friggin' mote out of your own eye before you start talking about other people's splinters.

PS - Has Dean renounced the military aid to Sharon, yet? Maybe he can put American standards into a trade agreement with the Hamas soldiers while he's at it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

70. Now that the teacher is back...

...we'll revert to our former anthropomorphic form.


PS- You missed 4-5000 in Deantown today. A 1000 more than the anti-Gremlin!

[DrFunkenstein]

95. Link Please n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

101. Here ya go!

[AWD]

71. Dean-O

...I like that nickname.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

72. ...And Dean-O is his Nominate-O.

[renie408]

74. *groan*

MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

76. Sorry.

lol.

[babzilla]

79. I prefer Deanut personally

although Deanper also intrigues me -- 'cause it sounds like diaper.

ha-ha, I said diaper.

[DrFunkenstein]

88. Said With Love

Deanies sounds a little condescending, but Dean-O has a nice ring to it. And Deanites makes them sound Biblical.

[molly]

73. This morning Cnn said that Clark could beat Bush if the

elections were today - this afternoon, they've switched to Kerry - which one is it?

[indigo32]

78. it's both actually

check these gallup polls

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

we've got 5 candidates within the margins...2 listed as ahead.
great new huh :)

[davidinalameda]

89. no worse than what the Deanies are doing to other candidates

it's all mudslinging right now

big whoop!

[DrFunkenstein]

96. I'm Still Waiting For Dean Supporters

To name someone Dean hasn't stepped on during this race.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

99. Braun?

[DrFunkenstein]

102. She She Wasn't A Viable Candidate

Along with Sharpton and Kucinich. That's 3 right there. Throw Graham's "second-tier" status, and that's 4 Dean's called out. Not bad for a guy who was himself a long-shot.

Let's see - what about Lieberman? Edwards? Gephardt? Kerry?

I hear Clark would make a nice VP...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

104. Let's turn the coin over for a second.

If you could be guaranteed that if Kerry attacked someone he'd be leading the pack...would you take it? Or would you drop your support entirely?


Things I wonder about.

[DrFunkenstein]

107. Races Aren't Decided In The Silly Season

The more exposure Kerry gets the better it is for him. The opposite is true for Dean. Anger got him to the door, but you can't run on 4 years of anti-Bush. I've yet to see him impress me with his policies, whereas Kerry impresses me precisely because of the quality and depth of his agenda.

Dean may turn it out - who knows - but I've yet to see him move past the Rage Against The Machine platform.

The same goes for Clark. His uniform got him to the door. Now he has to prove the quality of his agenda.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

109. Thanks for the non-answer.

The more exposure Kerry gets the better it is for him. The opposite is true for Dean.

Explain how exposure is good for Kerry but bad for Dean. And an answer to the original question would be nice. Yes? No? Pretty easy.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

111. maybe because Kerry will bear up better under closer scrutiny

than the newer guys.

[DrFunkenstein]

112. To The Original Question

I would take it in January, yes. In August or September, no.

As for exposure, NYfromMass said it pretty well. I think Dean is pretty thin (and sometimes contradictory) behind his anti-war stance, and I think Kerry has tremendous depth that only looks better as it comes to light.

[genius]

97. The Dean campaign is the one calling people "unelectable"

They can't really talk about supporters of other candidates pointing out that their numbers are not what they make them out to be.

[DrFunkenstein]

103. Dean People Forget That We Don't Forget

It's easier to forget a knife than a cut.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

106. Yes it is.

I think.

:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

A knife than a cut, I mean. I think.

[JohnKleeb]

115. I see your inference to Kucinich

and the reasons are absolutely absurd, his looks who gives I thought this was a presidential primary not a beauty pagant, his last name wow so we have to have people with anglo names run what a country ;), and my favorite his size last I checked he was two inches smaller than Dean. I tell you this I am always proud to support Kucinich.

[Padraig18]

110. Ummm

Why is this sort of juvenile crap even of concern to anyone. It speaks for itself.

Let it GO, ffs! :grr: