Who should drop out?

[audibledevil]

Predictions on who will drop out in the upcoming weeks:
Bob Graham will drop out.
Carol MB will drop out.
Gephardt might drop out.
Kerry will be greatly damaged.
Joe might drop out.
Dean will own everyone.
Edwards can't drop out. (Remember the captain from Red October, burning bridges)
Kucinich will be whining like he always does.

[JohnKleeb]

1. umm yeah sure

Kucinich doesnt always whine I dont know what your thinkin. No one is gonna drop out soon. Also Dean always doesnt rule all, Kucinich brings up some points that Dean doesnt, btw love him or not it is Kucinich not Dean who has the best position on the frivlous and illegal Patriot Act. BTW Kucinich always complains, :eyes: you sure about that, Ive seen him speak and I think I would know better than you.

[alexwcovington]

2. Yeah... low blow

This isn't grade school or faux news. You don't call people whiners. You had a fairly logical analysis going until you said "Dean will own everyone" (which I would certainly like to see, but it doesn't merit the outburst).

[JohnKleeb]

5. al you talking to me or him?

I think it is absurd to say Kucinich is always whining and that Dean will rule all well, well I will just say this, Kucinich will bring up issues that are very relevant.

[alexwcovington]

9. Him...

I filed it under yours however... as a "yeah"

Don't mind my somewhat illogical filing hierarchy...

[JohnKleeb]

10. not at all confuses me is all

a rant so to speak. I gets it.

[davhill]

26. Kucinich should run as a Green

[JohnKleeb]

28. umm hes a DEMOCRAT

like I am. I may be far left but I proudly consider myself a member of the party.

[George_Bonanza]

45. Why?

I think it's better for him to try and improve the Dems instead of bolting to the Greens, who aren't even an official party in the first place. DK is a respected Democratic congressman. Why would he ditch that to become the same person, but in a non-official party?

[JohnKleeb]

50. he wont

Hes a solid and lifelong democrat. He is in his own words a missionary. I dont wanna be mean to the Clark supporter who said that DK should run as a green but for the longest time we didnt know whether Clark was a republican or democrat. I just think that odd being that you question DK's party loyality. The progressive cancus in the house is something to be proud of and that man heads it, Dennis Kucinich.

[cosmicdot]

57. you got to see him - I knew you would!

:thumbsup:

[revcarol]

3. Gonna take this post with a truck load of salt.

We have a field of ten diverse and mostly great candidates.

The first primary is months away.

Why I clicked on this is beyond me. NO ONE SHOULD DROP OUT.Flame bait away.

[surfermaw]

48. Months away let them speak, keep the election before the nations eyes

With so many condidates out there, we are getting more press coverage ,coverage most all day, every day...so let it be..let the cream rise and then fall in line...Frankly any one of the ten can win, IF we get out the Vote.

[Padraig18]

53. Absolutely!

Keep the war drums pounding!

[greyl]

4. Nobody but bush nt

[MuseRider]

6. Glad to see you figured this

out. Bye. Come back again if you care to discuss issues. Jeeze.

[alexwcovington]

7. I would disagree somewhat

Graham is definitely going to get out... I dunno about Moseley-Braun just yet. Gephardt is going to hang on for a while, as is Lieberman.

Kerry is one of the prime contenders and can't be discounted at this point. Edwards less so, but he's still in play.

There's no doubt that Dean's still the front-runner, at least by a hair, but the biggest question at this point is whether or not Clark has got any weight in the race. He's got big media attention, but is that going to be enough for him to develop his base before the attention falls off? Has it fallen too much already?

If Clark does have some weight, the race is between him and Dean... and maybe Kerry-- though I'm not rooting for that, mind you, it's in the realm of possibility.

[davidinalameda]

8. you forgot about Clark

unless you've already realized that he'll be the last one standing

[Jim Sagle]

13. False bravado doesn't fool anyone.

[JI7]

11. bush should drop out

.

[JohnKleeb]

12. amen to that man

:toast:
How about we drop Bush.

[surfermaw]

49. Bush is out, we can handle the job if we get the vote out.

[Kenneth ken]

14. whover gets trounced

once the PRIMARIES START!

Until then, eveyrone should stay. Do some people here have a problem understanding the election process?

A candidate should run until it becomes actually obvious they will probably not be able to win the nomination and/or office they seek.

Polls mean nothing. Primaries have some significance.

[Padraig18]

15. No one should drop out yet

I want all 10 of the candidates giving Bush three kinds of hell until the primary system (and hence, the voters) makes it clear that it's time for a given candidate to fold his/her tent.

[AWD]

16. Hmmmm....

....notice how this guy hasn't mentioned Clark??

Maybe he's afraid of Clark and refuses to mention him?? Come to think of it, every post this guy has made has been an attack.

Gee, right-wingers attack. they're afraid of Clark too.

Hmmmmmmmm.........

[audibledevil]

20. I forgot about clark

He won't be dropping, but my prediction is that he won't make it pass NH. By that time, the winner of Iowa and NH will have all the media attention, and clark is running as a media candidate.

I'm not a right winger, I'm much more conservative than the DK looney-tunes, but I'm to the right of Kerry and Lieberman.

[hippywife]

27. How do you figure

that being right of Lieberman doesn't make you a right winger? :eyes:


I'm not a right winger, I'm much more conservative than the DK looney-tunes, but I'm to the right of Kerry and Lieberman.

[JohnKleeb]

29. to the right of Lieberman?

whoa. sorry just never encountered a DUer to the right of him. looney tunes thanks for the "compliment", I am not a loony one bit.

[RobertFrancisK]

32. After NH and Iowa the race will still be on

If Clark has strong showings in Iowa and New Hamphsire and Dean wins both, that will leave the race to him, Dean, Lieberman, Kerry and Edwards. Clark will sweep the south and then it will either be between him and Dean or he'll be the nominee.

[cosmicdot]

58. "the DK looney-tunes"

why, aren't you kind

[JohnKleeb]

60. this is the thread cosmic isnt it perdy

[Closer]

40. Oh God, AWD

TELL me you're not falling for Clark are you?

I'd be very disappointed in you.

[burr]

17. Graham and Gephardt could drop out...

Based on recent reports the Graham campaign is in something of a financial crisis. There are also rumors that Gephardt may end his run for President, and run for the Senate instead...don't be spreading rumors!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

18. I like the idea of

Bush getting hell from ten (maybe nine, since Lieberman isn't dependably anti-Bush) different directions for the next four months before the first caucuses and primaries.

Nobody should drop out before some of the actual voters have had the chance to express their preferences.

[poskonig]

19. You're wrong about Gephardt, who could be the last one standing.

If Clark gives Gephardt Iowa, Geppy will run away with this.

[JeniB]

46. In fact, Gephardt just passed Dean in Iowa yesterday!

There's no way he's dropping out. It's too far away and he's right where he wants to be. I talked with him on the phone last week and he's very upbeat.

[Rhiannon12866]

64. I have seen Gephardt on several of the major talk shows recently

He was confident, well-spoken, on-message and very statesmanlike. I was impressed. He may not be as liberal as the majority of those of us on DU, but we have to find a candidate that can appeal to more than just us liberals. We need a candidate with centrist appeal. The objective is to get as many votes as possible to take back the White House from the squatter-in-chief! We need to remember that!
:kick:

[found object]

21. All centrists should take a hike -- We don't need them

they're boaring and add little to the debate. The Bush-lite thing won't bring voters to the polls.

[davhill]

25. I find it inconceivable that Dean or anyone like him

could possibly work with a Republican controlled congress to accomplish anything. I can see Graham or Clark winning the respect of the opposition.

[mandyky]

42. Dean works well with GOPers, unless they

are ideaolgues. Plus I think Dean could help usher in a Dem majority in the House and Senate.

[Hawkeye-X]

44. Fact is..

There will be no Repukkklican-controlled Congress. At most, there will be a narrow majority on both sides of the House/Senate for the Democrats -- why? Because people are alluding to * to the Repukkklicans and they are dangerous as hell. If people started voting straight ticket, then they can ride the candidate's coattails, and I'm hoping it'll be Dean/Clark, which will be nearly impossible to beat.

Not even Bush/Cheney closely matches with Dean/Clark.

As a matter of fact, it'll draw away maybe 30% of the Bush/Cheney voters who finally got disllusioned after awhile in 2000-2003.

Hawkeye-X

[Padraig18]

56. May I have a hit of whatever you're smoking?

:eyes:

[CMT]

22. don't think anyone will drop out

anytime soon. The voters will decide.

[genius]

23. I think Dean should stop all the negativity or drop out

Do you honestly think that the supporters of most other candidates would support Dean if their candidate dropped out? The Dean campaigners are the meanest bunch of people I've seen since the rent-a-thugs. Actually, I prefered the Rent-a Thugs. They weren't quite as nasty. A good example is your obnoxious postings about Kucinich. Where I live, the Dean people are running around threatening people who have dropped out of the Dean campaign.

Little Natasha was assaulted at the Orange Street Fair by one of the Dean supporters. It really help Dean's image. A lot of people who saw what happened will probably never vote for the guy - even against Bush.

[w4rma]

24. Pot meet kettle (n/t)

[babzilla]

35. poor little "dangerous carnivore" Natasha

I've met a couple of the orange county for Dean people, they really didn't strike me as dangerous thugs, but then I've never claimed to be a "genius" either, so I'll watch my back for threatening thugs.

Thanks for the heads-up. :crazy:

http://debateusa.com/featured/hull_richter.htm

[JohnKleeb]

37. carnivore? I hope you are joking

Look I dont like when genius does this, then again I dont like what I saw last night that it was Kucinich's fault for the war. I got jumped on because people took my words to the guy that I was addressing all Dean supporters. It was pretty clear, I think and if it wasnt I am sorry, but I do not like being told "shame on you John" because I express my anger at one of the biggest things of bullshit ever. Amazing how people take that and say I was being a jerk essentilly. I dont like what genius does either to Dean. I try my best to be fair.

[babzilla]

38. I was quoting Natasha H.

who genius claims was being roughed up by the Dean supporters. Go to the link I provided.

http://debateusa.com/featured/hull_richter.htm

What about the Democratic Party? This is the Party that promotes children's issues, health care and education. Why aren't all eighteen year olds registering in this pro-child party? Or is it pro-child?

However, by and large, the Democratic Party is frequently closed to most children, who, if they are allowed to be present at all, are often treated as dangerous carnivores who have to be kept silent and under control.

[Thomas Jefferson]

43. Good point

The level of attacks from Dean supporters is pretty disgusting.

[surfermaw]

51. Dean is speaking out as Gore should have done

Evidentally DR.Dean is in touch with the democrat party...his speaking out is what has him in the lead..Something Gore could have done much better, but followered the wrong advice.

[RobertFrancisK]

30. Graham definatly should

I mean, I really like the guy, but he doesn't say anything to distinguish himself from any other candidates, he has no charisma and no chance of winning whatsoever. Edwards is in the same boat (exchanging lack of charism for lack of experiance), but he can't because he'll be unemployed if he does. Lieberman and Gephardt won't win but they will remain frontrunners and take 2nd and 3rd ina few early primiaries, so they'll stay in, unfortunatly. Braun probably should, but she does bring up women's rights issues in the debates and has a very pleasant personality. I'd still say she should drop out to clear out the race. Sharpton won't win, but he is the best orator this country has seen in politics for about two decades, and he's the coolest candidate by far. He adds too much to the debates for him to drop out. If he was Governor Al SHarpton and Senator Al Sharpton running for prez, I'd probably back him, but he just doesn't have what it take right now. Kucinich brings up decent points, but he's a bit of a drag, I'd lean towards want him out. Kerry, Dean and Clark are clearly the three with the potential to win it and give us the best chance against Bush, so they should stay in.

[davhill]

62. I mean what is this?

Everybody really likes the guy, everybody thinks he's highly qualified, everybody agrees he was right about the war before anyone else. Yet everybody agrees he has "no chance". Why? What is this charisma thing? Does it mean being a strutting airhead like Bush? A good actor like Reagan? A back slapper like Clinton? I got an idea! Why don't we pick someone everybody likes, everybody thinks is highly qualified, and everybody agrees was right. Graham in 04.

[JohnKleeb]

63. I feel for you on that Dave as a Kucinich supporter

[dpbrown]

31. Dean

It's not likely that he'll be the nominee with the DLC special interest group, the DNC power-brokers, and the more strident progressives all working against him.

[indigo32]

33. good to see ya Dan

:hi:
IMO I think nobodies dropping out right now... and certianly nobody is dropping out based on our advice here LOL.

[dpbrown]

34. Thanks, I was offering a suggestion in the vein of this thread

In other words, uncalled for, premature, and decidedly partisan.

Good to see you, too!

:hi:

Dan

[goodhue]

36. no one

All 10 candidates will remain in the race until the Iowa caucuses.

[hippywife]

39. I think besides Bush

you should. :evilgrin:

[lams712]

41. WESLEY CLARK.....

....he's not even a DEMOCRAT. I'm always saying "No Republican-lites Allowed", but I can't even say that because he's just a plain and simple REPUBLICAN.

[seamarq]

52. Brilliant....

Did you watch the NH Town Hall meeting? Sure didn't sound like a Repub there...actually was very liberal and critical of the Bush admin. Very smart...let's get rid of the Dem that's leading in the polls. I for one, welcome him to the Democratic party.

[lams712]

55. WHATEVER

Did you see the film of him spouting praises for GWB and other Repubs. in May 2001?????? Did you see the quote in NEWSWEEK where he said he'd be a Republican if Karl Rove had returned his calls???

Being pro-choice DOES NOT MAKE ONE A LIBERAL. CLARK is basically a pro-choice Republican, AND I DON'T WANT HIM AS MY PARTY'S NOMINEE!!!!!!

[stickdog]

47. 1) Lieberman - He's hurting Dems and the writing is on the wall.

2) Graham - Why is he running again?

3) Clark - Why is he running again?

4) Edwards - Why is he running again?

5) Gephardt - Why is he running AGAIN?

[Loyal]

54. No one.

Why is everyone always asking who should drop out? I've been lurking here a while, and I personally think that the Democratic party is better served when you have a lot of candidates in the race. Primary season is brutal, and we saw what happened in 2000. Gore only had one real opponent in the primaries, Bill Bradley, and Bradley didn't even win one single primary. Gore went out to run a crappy campaign against Bush. Primaries make our candidates stronger and tougher, and it's better to have everyone in the race asking the tough questions to each other.

[cosmicdot]

59. so, that would leave ... Al Sharpton?

I can dig that.

[Speck Tater]

61. Sharpton and Braun are in for the long haul...

... since their campaigns are not costing them much and they are all about putting their issues before the public. They have no intention of winning.

Graham may fold mid Oct, but don't look for anyone else to cut and run before Feb. or Mar. next year unless some major scandal breaks (unlikely) that makes it embarassing for one of them to stay in the race.