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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:07 PM Original message |
Diane Rehm says Kucinich wants to pull troops out of Iraq immediately |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. What 'problem' is that? n/t |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I was wondering about that too. |
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MrSoundAndVision (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The problem is that.... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I see |
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MrSoundAndVision (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. No problem |
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cavebat2000 (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. Dude |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah, just stating this once. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Oh, I see. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. If we cede control of Iraq, they'll commit troops. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. 'More willing' |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. And which of those is worse than ZERO? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. The point |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. The point is to try to get them out. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. See post #15. n/t |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. WHO SAYS he can't? You? How do you know? Answer: you don't. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. As a sentient being living in the real world... |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. How sweet. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I'm wounded. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. It would be nice |
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MrSoundAndVision (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 12:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It only remains to be seen because.... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Aside from India and Pakistan... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. France, Germany, Russia... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Actually no. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. You really believe that? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Where, in that statement... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Here |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Are you sure he was referring to... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Yeah you're right, he was probably talking about 'theoretical' help |
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MrSoundAndVision (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Well let me ask them and get back to you stubborn |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Facts are stubborn things. |
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MrSoundAndVision (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Well the point I suppose would be to |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. But where will the 150K troops *come from*? |
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MrSoundAndVision (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Hey I'm a mathematician and |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Where will the troops *come from* for Dean's plan? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. They will come from NATO member nations. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Have NATO member nations "indicated a willingness" to contribute... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. If this were a post about Dean's plan, yes. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Actually this thread is about the mischaracterization of Kucinich's plan. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. You're changing the topic... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I started the topic. I know what it is. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Again, this is about DK's plan. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Not 'gotcha', logical deduction. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. No, it's "Gotcha" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:47 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Sounds more like sour grapes to me. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. It's not hard at all. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:57 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. That would be true, if it wasn't flatly false. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. I don't know what you mean by saying they 'couldn't handle it' |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. 'Instigating factor' |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Look at their targets. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. How many UN *there*? How many Americans *there*? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Agree we need to take the American face off it as much as possible |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. They're bombing everyone they percieve as assisting the US / Britain. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Yes |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Well if that's the way you see it... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You don't get it |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Is that the same trap the Israeli gov't is in? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I know the point you are making |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. But in an earlier post you said the violence would be the same... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Basically would be the same. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Well actually one of the amendments that Germany and France... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. You might say I'm for a variation of it. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. And for the record: |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. How indeed? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. How can you 'hand over control'... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. UN members have made their wishes known. |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. So you have said |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I'm not biting. |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Even if they haven't |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 02:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. And my reply was... |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. So all you wanted to do was bash Kuncinch? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. It's not bashing to point out substantive flaws in hi plan. |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Do you consider 1 "flaw" as beign "chock-full"? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Ummm, mischaracterization: |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Catch 22 |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. It's not 'gotcha' to admit that as a Dean supporter... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Then feel free to point them out in a thread about *Dean's* plan. |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:39 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. RedQueen did |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Who said I was required to respond? |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. The entire time you have implied |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. If you won't discuss your plan |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Apparently, asking for that information... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Easy to figure out. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. I thought this was a "discussion"board...why is it so hard |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. That's been explained repeatedly. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:34 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Yes it's painfully obvious. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:36 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Because you can't take a simple... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. Because you can't critique Dean's plan... |
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xJlM (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. I thought "Gotcha" was a repug thing |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. And if you think that *I* think we need to stay in Iraq... |
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xJlM (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. This is not about some other thread |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:55 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. That *is* in this thread. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Deleted message |
Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. ... |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. You never answered your own questions |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Which questions? n/t |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:36 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. These questions |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:39 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. *sigh* |
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No More Shrub (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. But you have never stated your POV! |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 01:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I do. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
87. Civility, anyone? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I'm sorry you see it that way. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 03:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I don't think you are. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:03 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. My response is and was civil. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:09 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. If you equate her post to yours... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:12 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I do. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. I wish you were being facetious. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:26 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I'm sorry that you don't see it. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:34 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Yep, as I said... |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 06:23 AM Response to Reply #96 |
110. "I find that hardly civil, read as a whole." |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-03 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
98. Why does it have to be our troops instead of UN troops? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 01:19 PM Response to Reply #98 |
111. I'm starting to think it's nothing but arrogance. n/t |
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